keeping wired and wireless seperate
Ok so now I have been moving all our stuff about at home the PCs are all apart from eachother and it is no longer a case of external hdd or pen drive and arms reach apart.
I'm going to maybe buy a gigaswitch and cat5 about the place between the machines. Maybe get a nas too.
What I don't want is all my stuff leaking onto the wireless network with the flatmates.
Will windows know its place and keep wireless and wired seperate?
If your PCs don't have wireless cards then they'll communicate by Ethernet.
Only if they are different subnets or networks - otherwise they will all be able to see each other as this is one of the points of a network, so if the wireless is coming from the same router as the wired connections they will not be separate.Originally Posted by Clockwise
That is what I want them to do...
wireless - the whole flat uses for internet and I don't want my stuff appearing as available to them
wired - I want to be able to send stuff around between my 4 machines
A couple of the machines have wifi cards but the 2 additions won't.
Password protect the shares? Then they can see the PC's but won't be able to access them. Easiest way I guess.
So if I have the wifi router as it is now and then add another switch with cat5s all about the place it should get the hint they are different?
None of the new network or cables will be plugged into the old stuff and I assumed it would only link them if I set it to "bridge" or whatever.
Guessing that it's going to be your router providing DHCP and assigning all of the IP addresses to both wired and wireless clients? If so, then most likely they well all be on the same subnet (192.168.whatever.) and it will be treated as a single network. It's possible that it might have configuration options allowing you to set up two separate subnets and divide accessing devices according to mac address, but frankly I doubt it, this is not the sort of functionality / scenario which bog standard ISP routers are geared up for.
I think the simplest solution is just passwords as described above at the windows networking level. To separate them at the IP level you'd need some kind of gateway which would separate your 'private' network from the 'dirty' network provided by the wireless router. But then if you wanted your 'own' wireless devices to be on your 'clean' network, you would need your 'own' wireless hub on that network. Pretty soon you'll be installing firewalls, setting up a DMZ, giving people two-factor-authentication keyfobs and everything will be generally overkill for what you're trying to achieve.
You could try a setup similar to mine which involves adding a second router to the network and connecting a cable from a LAN port on the current router to the WAN port on the second router. Then set the WAN IP address on the second router to one on the first routers subnet with a gateway of the IP address of the first router. Then set the LAN address of the second router to something different and connect all your devices to the second router, whilst the rest of the house connects to the first router, this will give you a private network on the second router whilst still being able to access the internet through the first router.
So an example IP information would be
First router
WAN - public IP address
LAN - 192.168.1.1
Subnet - 255.255.255.0
DHCP - 192.168.1.2 - 192.168.1.250
Second router
WAN - 192.168.1.254
Gateway - 192.168.1.1
LAN - 192.168.0.1
Subnet - 255.255.255.0
DHCP - 192.168.0.1 - 192.168.0.250
Your machines would then get IP information like
IP address - 192.168.0.2
Gateway - 192.168.0.1
Subnet - 255.255.255.0
You will be able to access the internet and any device on the 192.168.0.x network and also access any device on the 192.168.1.x network, but anybody on the 192.168.1.x network will not be able to access any of your devices on the 192.168.0.x network.
I have the normal sky router as my router 1 and a DLink DIR-615 running DD-WRT as my router 2.
This is what I was looking at for "router 2".
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Netwo...roductId=28299
I was thinking that with wires in all directions and maybe a fiddle with the settings on it?
That's a switch and not a router and won't allow you to do the setup I suggested - you would be looking at something like this to us my setup.
Wouldn't a switch be the right thing to get?(its cheaper too)...
That is if it would work the way I hope it can.
/me is bad at networking unless nobody has guessed
A switch is dumb and would therefore not be able to do any of the DHCP, wireless or routing requirements my setup requires. You could use a simple switch to connect your 4 machines together with but would either have to have it connected to the router to get internet access (negating the point of the setup and allowing all machines to see each other) or you could keep your machines separate by connecting all of your machines to the switch but not connecting the switch to the current router, you wouldn't have internet access, but would be able to communicate between the machines thanks to APIPA.
I'm trying to get.
4 boxes <-> switch
Wired so they all talk and play nice.
box + usb wifi card <-> existing router
Internet access shared with the other flatmates
I currently connect to the wifi network and tell windows 7 to set it as "public".
My flatmates are ok just like my privacy too.
http://www.home-network-help.com/fil...windows-7.html
Fingers crossed this is right but if I set the wireless to "public" and then setup the wired stuff as a home network it should work right?
This is why I hate networking it is hardly ever just a case of plugging something in.
Been reading more and if I mess with the protocols will that work more?
wireless - tcp/IP on and rest off
wired - rest on and tcp/IP off
That should fingers crossed do it and not bridge?
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