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  • #16
    Originally posted by Jackster View Post
    Any known IS people, anyone known to be linked.
    Innocent lives are at risk of course but so are our own at this rate.

    These people want the destruction of the west, well lets just rain bombs on them...


    Nothing else is working so might as well try this at least?
    We already tried that, that's why part of why this generation is easily radicalised.

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    • #17
      Thing is they wont stop now. I agree it caused the problem but it could also stop it?

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      • #18
        The main thing that this 'round' of terrorism is caused by, or at least not helped by, is the void left by people like Gaddafi, Dictators yes, but who kept Northern Africa in check (whether right or wrongly)

        we should have been at least a little bit concerned when we saw his barely cold body being dragged through Tripoli. Ah yes, these look like the fine upstanding types we need to run this country in a sensible fashion.
        Originally posted by coiler
        He'll have the local FBI round his house with all that hash!
        Originally posted by BigIan88
        turn off that sexy nonsense
        Originally posted by Salad Soup
        turns out if you touch a stripper too much and try and get back in after being kicked out, they dont like that!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by omega View Post
          The main thing that this 'round' of terrorism is caused by, or at least not helped by, is the void left by people like Gaddafi, Dictators yes, but who kept Northern Africa in check (whether right or wrongly)

          we should have been at least a little bit concerned when we saw his barely cold body being dragged through Tripoli. Ah yes, these look like the fine upstanding types we need to run this country in a sensible fashion.
          Yea it sometimes think the same about Saddam, ok he was a bastard and gassing all those Kurds wasn't cool, but let's face it he kept a lot of people in check.
          GIVE PEAS A CHANCE

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          • #20
            Time to control the internet

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            • #21
              The best way to stop terrorists eroding our freedom is to erode our freedom

              tbh I'd be happy if we could make it illegal for narrow-minded bigots to have a platform like Facebook too, so I'm kind of torn. If we're going to do it, I want it to apply to all, not just people with beards
              Originally posted by coiler
              He'll have the local FBI round his house with all that hash!
              Originally posted by BigIan88
              turn off that sexy nonsense
              Originally posted by Salad Soup
              turns out if you touch a stripper too much and try and get back in after being kicked out, they dont like that!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Jackster View Post
                Any known IS people, anyone known to be linked.
                Innocent lives are at risk of course but so are our own at this rate.

                These people want the destruction of the west, well lets just rain bombs on them...


                Nothing else is working so might as well try this at least?
                Jumping to military action is what caused the enormous gulf of power that's been filled by Daesh in the first place.
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                • #23
                  To be fair though, all that happens perpetually in the Middle East / Northern Africa, is we (or France) intervene, and a different group of equally inept / radical people take over.

                  Previously, they were inward looking. Saddam, Gaddhafi, Assad, all fight or fought within their country. Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Daesh, IS, whatever, all fight on both fronts. They are destroying (or rebuilding) their countries, while striking out at the countries trying to intervene.

                  Same thing happened in Egypt with the "spring" - they got rid of one Dictator, but it just ended up being a different group being targeted and killed.

                  Which is the greater evil? Gassing hundreds of thousand of kurds in and around Iraq, carpet bombing Homs where terrorists are literally using civilians as human shields, or bombing a pop concert in Manchester? We removed powerful Dictators and again there's chaos. Apparently everyone wanted change, but didn't have a clue what they wanted it changed to. Maybe in a better world, people shouldn't get so involved with things we have little understanding of. Unfortunately it seems May is intent on doing just that, but harder and faster.

                  More war does not solve any problems (it does make a hell of a lot of money though, those arms deals aren't cheap.)
                  Originally posted by coiler
                  He'll have the local FBI round his house with all that hash!
                  Originally posted by BigIan88
                  turn off that sexy nonsense
                  Originally posted by Salad Soup
                  turns out if you touch a stripper too much and try and get back in after being kicked out, they dont like that!

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                  • #24
                    The dictators we threw out years ago where keeping these bad ideologies from taking over.
                    Look at Iran. Was a very modern place before the dictators were thrown out and then Islam took over and well now it is a total shithole.

                    *I am not a historian, might not be 100% factually correct.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Jackster View Post
                      The dictators we threw out years ago where keeping these bad ideologies from taking over.
                      Look at Iran. Was a very modern place before the dictators were thrown out and then Islam took over and well now it is a total shithole.

                      *I am not a historian, might not be 100% factually correct.
                      *Islam didn't take over, radicals took over. Easy to make that mistake given our current PM shouting the odds and sounding like a fascist, but not totally correct.
                      Originally posted by coiler
                      He'll have the local FBI round his house with all that hash!
                      Originally posted by BigIan88
                      turn off that sexy nonsense
                      Originally posted by Salad Soup
                      turns out if you touch a stripper too much and try and get back in after being kicked out, they dont like that!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by omega View Post
                        *Islam didn't take over, radicals took over. Easy to make that mistake given our current PM shouting the odds and sounding like a fascist, but not totally correct.
                        I disagree. Islam is not just a "religion" it is a political and social ideology that has a goal of complete and total domination.
                        Thus why you find that most Muslim majority countries end up with Islamic Sharia law because Islam becomes the dominant force within that region.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Jackster View Post
                          bomb the *****
                          Originally posted by Jackster View Post
                          The dictators we threw out years ago where keeping these bad ideologies from taking over.
                          Look at Iran. Was a very modern place before the dictators were thrown out and then Islam took over and well now it is a total shithole.

                          *I am not a historian, might not be 100% factually correct.
                          Make up your mind!! It was bombing them that led to this new threat of home born terrorists being radicalized in the first place! Watching women and children get murdered by British and American weapons or by the states that they sponsor. Tbh I am kind of fearing internment being the next policy to 'deal' with this issue if the Tories get back into power again. Didn't work in N.Ireland and it certainly won't work in the rest of the UK, can you imagine the scenes of armed riot police going into majority Muslim areas and dragging innocent people from their homes just because they clicked a link on their cousin's facebook page.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by A Ginger Sheep View Post
                            Make up your mind!! It was bombing them that led to this new threat of home born terrorists being radicalized in the first place! Watching women and children get murdered by British and American weapons or by the states that they sponsor. Tbh I am kind of fearing internment being the next policy to 'deal' with this issue if the Tories get back into power again. Didn't work in N.Ireland and it certainly won't work in the rest of the UK, can you imagine the scenes of armed riot police going into majority Muslim areas and dragging innocent people from their homes just because they clicked a link on their cousin's facebook page.
                            Dropping a bomb on them is a short fire way to get retaliation yes, but it shows that we are not week.
                            This is a case where we need to fight these people. They don't want to talk, they don't do politics like we do. They don't like us at all. All they want is the destruction of the west...
                            As far as I can tell, removing them from the face of this earth is our only option. You can't change these people (the fundamentalists) into believing Christian/Jewish type believes of democracy, self worth etc

                            This war has raged on for the past 2000 years, while we the western world and far East have grown up a bit over this time, the middle east hasn't.
                            Have to play by their rules which is kill or be killed...

                            Yes we (the West) have added fuel to the fire over the past 40-50 years, I 100% agree with you that this response is because of that.
                            But we have this problem now that we can't fix by turning back time. This is a classic war game that will only be won with classic Western style fight.

                            We can't change the cards we are dealt but we can play them how we want...

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                            • #29
                              Sooooo.... time to put trident to use then?

                              Your an idiot Jackster.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Jackster View Post
                                The dictators we threw out years ago where keeping these bad ideologies from taking over.
                                Look at Iran. Was a very modern place before the dictators were thrown out and then Islam took over and well now it is a total shithole.

                                *I am not a historian, might not be 100% factually correct.
                                Iran has always been Islamic, we (the British) just got upset that the old secular leader nationalised the oil industry in the 50s and we (in particular BP) lost a bunch of money. So we (with a little help from the CIA) overthrew him and put the shah back in charge (and us and America gave them training and guns and stuff so they could murder a load of people). Then everyone got mad at the shah because things were going backwards and they had a revolution and hardline clerics grabbed the power and military. And then people realised what America and Britain had done to them under the shah's government which regressed into a rejection of Western-style secularism and modernity in favour of hardline Islamism with a government controlled in a big way by the clerics. Add to that all of the American (and to a lesser extent British) involvement in the middle east and strong support for the Saudis who Iranians hate, mostly due to different interpretations of Islam.

                                So basically we're reaping what we've sown for many years. Doesn't feel too great.

                                Originally posted by Jackster View Post
                                I disagree. Islam is not just a "religion" it is a political and social ideology that has a goal of complete and total domination.
                                Thus why you find that most Muslim majority countries end up with Islamic Sharia law because Islam becomes the dominant force within that region.
                                That's Islamism, not Islam. And Sharia in "most Muslim majority countries" doesn't even really mean what you think, most of the time Muslim countries have secular laws and Sharia is only used for social or family issues. Which is why when you see "80% of all Muslims support Sharia law" or whatever statistics they've plucked out this time it doesn't really mean anything (except obviously in extreme cases where they go against Western secular laws).
                                Last edited by heavywater; 05-06-17, 17:18.

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