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  • #46
    https://www.facebook.com/Channel4New...6/?pnref=story

    everything she says is just lies lies lies.



    http://www.conservatives2017.com/

    https://www.thecanary.co/2017/04/18/...lection-video/
    • 400,000 children are now living in poverty, a figure which rose 100,000 in 2015/16. 67% of those are from working families.
    • Food bank usage has risen, with over half a million people reliant [paywall] on just the Trussell Trust for food packages.
    • In two reports, the UN heavily criticised the Tories for “grave” and “systematic” violations of disabled people’s human rights. The government, meanwhile, has severely cut their benefits.
    • The past year has seen strikes by junior doctors, rail workers, teaching assistants, library workers, and other public sector staff. Their pay increases have mostly been capped [paywall] at 1%.
    • National debt has increased by more than 50%.
    • Homelessness has risen by 54%.
    • Corporations have seen tax cuts [pdf] while the tax gap is around 120bn per year.
    • The NHS has seen a real terms cut in the amount of money given to it per patient. While the amount of NHS money paid to ‘independent’ companies has more than doubled to 8bn a year.
    • The government has cut the number of people getting social care by 26%. And it has cut 50m from children’s mental health services.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by michaelkenward View Post
      I was responding to the second bit of the original message:



      As I am sure you realise, PLCs and Ltd companies are different animals. CEOs of PLCs are not running their own businesses, as you described it. They are running shareholders' businesses.
      Yeah, but I don't see how that would make the job any less stressful. If anything, it just means your job is more volatile which gives you the added stress of performing

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      • #48
        Originally posted by cold fusion View Post
        Yeah, but I don't see how that would make the job any less stressful. If anything, it just means your job is more volatile which gives you the added stress of performing
        You elided two things, being a CEO and owning a company.

        By all means change what you wrote in the light of comments, I was just pointing to internal inconsistencies in your original thesis.
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        • #49
          Remember, The Canary is a far-left shout box for those of a "Militant" tendency. Not that it is wrong, just treat it was the same "is this #fakenews?" eye that you also have to bring to anything from the Daily Fail.
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          • #50
            They also missing off the education cuts coming in.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by michaelkenward View Post
              You elided two things, being a CEO and owning a company.

              By all means change what you wrote in the light of comments, I was just pointing to internal inconsistencies in your original thesis.
              Ahhhh yes. I see your point now. Thank you.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by k3vst3r View Post
                They also missing off the education cuts coming in.
                Indeed.

                But as in everything, the Tories get up and say "We are spending more than ever on...."

                Yes, but even if it were true there are more kids going to school. The /kid level has gone down.

                Same in health, prisons and just about everything.

                Oh, I forgot, they really have increased spending on flood prevention. But only if you live in the south, which gets 10 times as much per head as the north.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by michaelkenward View Post
                  Oh, I forgot, they really have increased spending on flood prevention. But only if you live in the south, which gets 10 times as much per head as the north.
                  Which is another thing the EU invests in that likely wont be matched by the government post Brexit.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by cold fusion View Post
                    Which is another thing the EU invests in that likely wont be matched by the government post Brexit.
                    What is puzzling is that parts of the UK that live and die by EU money, think Cornwall, voted Brexit.

                    It will be interesting to see how the election plays out. The West Country is notoriously Lib Dem country. But the Lib Dems are rabid remainers.

                    I remain convinced that the Lib Dems will be the major beneficiaries or May's Erdogan style snap election.
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by michaelkenward View Post
                      What is puzzling is that parts of the UK that live and die by EU money, think Cornwall, voted Brexit.
                      I know. It's utter madness. Some parts of Wales and the North East were in the same boat as well. Boggles the mind

                      Originally posted by michaelkenward View Post
                      It will be interesting to see how the election plays out. The West Country is notoriously Lib Dem country. But the Lib Dems are rabid remainers.

                      I remain convinced that the Lib Dems will be the major beneficiaries or May's Erdogan style snap election.
                      I can't see Labour nor the Lib Dems gaining much (if any) ground from the Tories.

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                      • #56
                        I'm probably going to vote tactically for the first time. Richmond Park has only ever been Tory and Lib Dem, so it makes sense to go with the latter to keep the former out. I wouldn't normally but I just can't stand the idea of 5 more years of what we've endured over the past few months.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Bravetart View Post
                          I'm probably going to vote tactically for the first time. Richmond Park has only ever been Tory and Lib Dem, so it makes sense to go with the latter to keep the former out. I wouldn't normally but I just can't stand the idea of 5 more years of what we've endured over the past few months.
                          Unfortunately Tim Farron has already said that he would prop up a Tory Government in a Coalition again.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Bravetart View Post
                            I'm probably going to vote tactically for the first time.
                            You may not be alone.

                            That's partly why I think the Lib Dems could do better than the pundits suggest. They are no longer as badly tainted with the coalition tag. And we have seen what the Tories can do without someone holding back their more rabid fringes.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Bravetart View Post
                              I'm probably going to vote tactically for the first time.
                              likewise with me

                              Originally posted by I3R0K3N7FEET View Post
                              Unfortunately Tim Farron has already said that he would prop up a Tory Government in a Coalition again.
                              That's fine with me because the last few years have proven that the Lib Dems did a lot more to curb the rougher edges of the Tories during the last Coalition than most people perhaps realised at the time.

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                              • #60
                                I think that old Theresa may is calling the bluff on the nation, if it works out, and it likely will, it will put the Tories in a stronger postion, and gets them established before any potential brexit fallout.

                                It may work out, but you see what happened with brexit, you just never know....
                                GIVE PEAS A CHANCE

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