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  • #16
    Originally posted by omega View Post
    It's not so much the value of money, just the apparently arbitrary decision recently that we "must stop borrowing".

    I'm curious to know the reasoning behind this.
    It depends what the terms of the borrowing is, but generally it's not good to be borrowing more than you're lending. Even at the international level, it's not a great long term plan.

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    • #17
      I know it makes sense logically, but why now?

      We're been in debt for decades, it's common for governments to borrow. Why the sudden need to reduce spending?
      Originally posted by coiler
      He'll have the local FBI round his house with all that hash!
      Originally posted by BigIan88
      turn off that sexy nonsense
      Originally posted by Salad Soup
      turns out if you touch a stripper too much and try and get back in after being kicked out, they dont like that!

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      • #18
        Yes lets stay in a failing single economy and undemocratic system...

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        • #19
          Originally posted by omega View Post
          I know it makes sense logically, but why now?

          We're been in debt for decades, it's common for governments to borrow. Why the sudden need to reduce spending?
          There's nothing "sudden" about it. It's been something people have been commenting on for decades already.

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          • #20
            I know. And yet we've still borrowed more and more.
            Originally posted by coiler
            He'll have the local FBI round his house with all that hash!
            Originally posted by BigIan88
            turn off that sexy nonsense
            Originally posted by Salad Soup
            turns out if you touch a stripper too much and try and get back in after being kicked out, they dont like that!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by omega View Post
              I know. And yet we've still borrowed more and more.
              You mean our government doesn't always follow the request of every single citizen? #frontpagenews

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Jackster View Post
                Yes lets stay in a failing single economy and undemocratic system...
                That just seems to be the way the UK works these days.


                All your spoon are belong to us

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                • #23
                  The EU is democratic. Highly democratic.

                  The problem was before the referendum nobody gave enough of a crap to find out anything about the EU - let alone vote. Which is also the same reason why The Daily Fail and other tabloids have had such an easy job brainwashing people into thinking the EU was some modern day Nazi regime and that the "experts" were just evil capitalists*

                  * which is doubly ironic given that it was exactly that kind of stereotype who were spreading the rumors and campaigning against the EU. But who needs logic and reasoning when we can just bitch and moan about other people instead.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by cold fusion View Post
                    The EU is democratic. Highly democratic.

                    The problem was before the referendum nobody gave enough of a crap to find out anything about the EU - let alone vote. Which is also the same reason why The Daily Fail and other tabloids have had such an easy job brainwashing people into thinking the EU was some modern day Nazi regime and that the "experts" were just evil capitalists*

                    * which is doubly ironic given that it was exactly that kind of stereotype who were spreading the rumors and campaigning against the EU. But who needs logic and reasoning when we can just bitch and moan about other people instead.
                    UK politicians spend years moaning about the EU and blaming everything on them, then expect us all to forget about it during a few months of campaigning. IIRC Mr Corbyn wasn't always a massive fan of the EU either (And on that note, I'm off before I'm labelled a racist Tory scumbag hahahaha)
                    Last edited by WR1989UK; 20-09-16, 15:08.
                    The banter bus has stopped rolling - 23/06/16

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by WR1989UK View Post
                      UK politicians spend years moaning about the EU and blaming everything on them, then expect us all to forget about it during a few months of campaigning.
                      Very true
                      Originally posted by WR1989UK View Post
                      IIRC Mr Corbyn wasn't always a massive fan of the EU either (And on that note, I'm off before I'm labelled a racist Tory scumbag hahahaha)
                      Corbyn wasn't. And to an extent still isn't. But the EU is a very different beast now to what it was in the 70s when he originally opposed it. However, as I stated earlier, he's still not 100% in favour of the EU.

                      To be honest, I like Corbyn's pragmatic approach. He's stated he's sceptical but that it was better than the alternative; I think that's a healthy approach. It's better to adopt a sceptical middle ground rather than being 100% in favour or 100% opposed.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by cold fusion View Post
                        Very true

                        Corbyn wasn't. And to an extent still isn't. But the EU is a very different beast now to what it was in the 70s when he originally opposed it. However, as I stated earlier, he's still not 100% in favour of the EU.

                        To be honest, I like Corbyn's pragmatic approach. He's stated he's sceptical but that it was better than the alternative; I think that's a healthy approach. It's better to adopt a sceptical middle ground rather than being 100% in favour or 100% opposed.
                        What kind of message does that give the party though? The referendum was an extremely simple "Are we in or out". JC did not give a clear solution, and now a lot of people are upset and it made him look like an inept leader, regardless of how good (or not) he is in other areas.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by NickCPC View Post
                          What kind of message does that give the party though? The referendum was an extremely simple "Are we in or out". JC did not give a clear solution, and now a lot of people are upset and it made him look like an inept leader, regardless of how good (or not) he is in other areas.
                          It gives the message he's honest about a complex issue. I'd rather that than the hyperbole that the Tories were coming out with (on both sides of the debate).

                          It probably didn't help that Corbyn seldom plays the "soundbite" game. Politicians love to persuade people with catch phrases carefully phrased to emphasise whatever point they're trying to promote. In fact, if you look at the way how they spin their arguments, it's really more akin to TV adverts than it is political discourse. But that is the nature of politics these days: 1) take an argument, 2) dumb it down, 3) distil the remaining essence, 4) relay the remaining phrase to all listening mediums. It's no wonder so many people get things so very wrong and so frequently as they do. But I guess few people care enough to listen to anything more verbose - which leaves little room for honesty on complex topics.

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                          • #28
                            Ah I won't deny being anti-Tory, and there are very good reasons for that, but this post is about Brexit and peoples attitude towards it. Right now, mine is that I readily accept the result and I am more concerned over what kind of exit are we going to get.

                            There is absolutely no point in making an exit deal with the EU that maintains the status quo, and keeps things 'as they are'.

                            @NickCPC,
                            Not sure where the graph you shared is from, the link you gave displayed this one.



                            So the credibility of said source information is in question.

                            Also, you are simply wrong regarding the understanding the statement of 'nurturing a low skill labour force', because it is true. Yes I made a reference towards the UK's strongest exports and industries, but employment in those sectors have had to heavily rely on external talent. In fact the UK has a huge deficit of engineers that needs to be filled, how many internal scholarship programs, adverts or readily informations have you seen about this?

                            2015 record high numbers of students, UK growth, 2.8%, while EU applications grew 11%.

                            The expenditure is something that is rather interesting, those costs rise because of the tuition fee rises, they are high because universities are run as businesses. The more money spent, the more money made. Sorry, normally I have a terrible habit of reading a load of information, making a conclusion, having a brain fart based on memory, and cba to reference sources. But I assure you I at least the sources and understand them. Given your repeated use of words like oxymoron, hyperbole, and the provided breakdown of my statement (that is clearly opinion), you have pretty much wasted your time.

                            I appreciate the balance and you have raised some fair questions, so in future I will be less belligerent and more prepared. I would write a more reasonable comeback to your response now, but long day, im tired, and now im being lazy, but many have already covered some good points.

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                            • #29
                              The vote was a joke, I would wager over half of those that voted didn't know what they were voting for, just because "me mam's voting that way so I am too" or something equally retarded.

                              So far all repercussions have been negative for me. Our high end IT equipment is 6% more expensive and our main telematics hardware sources also upped prices by 11% due to us voting to leave. So yeah, so far I've seen zero good come of it.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Seb.F View Post
                                The vote was a joke, I would wager over half of those that voted didn't know what they were voting for, just because "me mam's voting that way so I am too" or something equally retarded.

                                So far all repercussions have been negative for me. Our high end IT equipment is 6% more expensive and our main telematics hardware sources also upped prices by 11% due to us voting to leave. So yeah, so far I've seen zero good come of it.
                                I don't think anyone knew what they were voting for - not even the more informed voters.

                                It's a ridiculously complicated issue that crosses a broad range of vastly different specialist subjects. Couple that with the complete unknown of just how the exit proceed and you're left with a vote that, with all the best information in the world, is still largely just educated guesswork.

                                Of course, messages like "we could fund the NHS" and "people are sick of listening to the experts" really don't help issues either.

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