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Idk if there is already a thread about this subject elsewhere, but rather than posting in other related threads I think it is best to have a single go to thread about this subject here.
Right.
The facts...
52% voted leave. This is largely due to the fact that England has a Tory problem. The leave vote was almost inevitable as many used it as a rebel vote, some on the (absolutely, blindingly obvious) false promises being made about the redistribution of funds. The Tories right now have no plan, the leave camp had no plan, there was no contingent.
The predicted 'leave' demographic was pretty much spot on with the 'low educated, English', which is a much larger problem that we ever cared to admit. The Tory policies (partly aided by New-Labour) caused and expanded a huge social underclass of low skill, poorly educated English people that have been rounded up and left behind without opportunity, and low chance of social mobility or navigation. This creates crime, addiction, health (mental and physical) issues, poverty, desperation, and many without a true understanding. The education system is a minefield to navigate through for an application, let alone sourcing funding and the deterrent costs. So instead of funding our own education, we play on prestige and import intelligence from European countries where they have high quality, state funded degrees while Britain largely a low-skill labour economy. This is why immigration has been perceived as a huge problem by much of the underclass-working class in the UK. Why has the government nurtured a low-skill economy? Because they are the highest spenders and consumers. They spend every last valuable penny they got, they borrow more, and hurray for capitalism. The Pound Sterling has so much value yet the true value is not seen in the UK at all. So to summarise, money mill Britain is not a good thing for the British, nor for the economy, nor for any fair standard of living. Most of the Tories power comes from media control and the predictable nature of the poorly educated.
The Tories often repeat phrases that are proven untrue time and time again, yet people believe it, such as 'strong economy', 'strong leadership' and repeatedly use terminology that will pretty much brainwash those none the wiser as to the actual facts and statistics behind the results of their actions. Theresa May has even started to steal 'Labour' terminology including the use of the words 'fair' 'inclusive' and 'good for everyone', as well as good old Tory spin such as 'living within our means'. Which shows that they are intentionally lying about the truth behind their economic policy, but people are placated by the words ringing about their heads that pretty much sound reasonable, relatable and understandable.
Use of such words is pretty much manipulating people's ideas and thoughts pretty much in the same way subliminal advertising does, something that was banned in the UK in 1957.
The truth is, right now the UK is facing the most crucial and important political challenges since WWII and you vote Conservative over supporting Labour and the genuine opportunity presented by Jeremy Corbyn, you are directly responsible for the causing the stagnation of the UK economy, the plundering the the UK Public funds, the increase in poverty, mental illness, declination of professional jobs, the increase in personal debt, the decrease in social mobility, increase in social divide, the increase in persecution, discrimination and segregation of ethnic/religious groups.
To highlight this, I once questioned a friend on their vote in the general election, and the answer I received was 'Labour is for poor people, I work hard and I ain't no scrounger.'. This coming from someone who earns £18K pa, used public schooling, uses the NHS regularly, and receives working tax credits. This is clearly someone brainwashed by the media and social stigma.
While the Labour leadership draws to an end (let's face it, Owen Smith will only win by a direct fix despite the amount of questionable actions taken by the Labour party and the NEC to swing it away from Corbyn's favour) the result is pretty much inevitable. I question anyone that is genuinely supporting that Misogynistic, racist, plastic corporate boy. We can only hope that the Labour PLP fall in behind Corbyn as a more effective opposition.
Despite Jeremy Corbyn's strong fight against Theresa May recently and the plan to reintroduce more social divide (let's face it, no matter the implementation, grammar schools will only choose those well behaved, well mannered, easy to deal with kids, which means stable, disciplined parenting, which means 'mostly' educated, middle classed kids, which means it will instantly fail). They have not raised any real offensive against the Tories in regards to Europe, and it is clear that the Tories are still weak in this area (let's face it, Theresa May is actually incredibly evil, and incompetent to the extent that she makes me wish DC didn't resign, though election fraud etc...) People need to wake up that 'witty stabs' and perceived 'charisma' is meaningless when it comes to running the country.
The truth is Article 50 is a ticking time bomb. People of this country are stupid if they believe that 'things aren't so bad', but they need to seriously realise that we are not out of the EU yet. Nothing has changed, except for a slight drop in strength of the pound sterling. The plan is, to come up with trade agreements globally and with the EU that is beneficial to the UK before activating article 50.
The main problem is. The UK has 2 ultimate choices.
1. To trade with the EU, the UK must accept free movement. Which will mean, nothing really changes in regards to the UK's situation of immigration and Sovereignty and the EU can impose legislation and overrule matters of concern to the UK without any discussion, or representation from the UK. Basically we will have lost our voice in Europe. This result will keep the UK economy stable, but overtime the EU will be the overlords, and it will become apparent.
2. The UK triggers article 50 with no plans, trade agreements and literally will be like '**** it'. This will completely crash the UK economy. We will not be able to trade with the EU, and the UK will have to sell things cheaply to developing countries (that aren't stable) to keep things afloat.
The Former is good for the short term, the latter is good for the long term. The reason being why option 2 is better, is because the UK has some of the highest quality mechanical engineering that is desired the world over, and due to having an efficient and modern infrastructure, handled well, the UK's economy could bounce back harder and faster than some DOOM scenarios would care to admit, many business and economic analysts would agree that the EU has been stifling the UK economy. Also, we may as well take advantage of this situation as best we can. The EU has run its course, it is not suit for purpose, the EU fat cats need to step down, and something new needs to take over. It is no secret that the United States of Europe has been the vision for some time now, and while I don't think the EU is essentially 'bad', the model is inflated, inefficient, and stubborn, and a hard exit will almost completely destroy the EU, while a soft exit will maintain the EU.
So what would you guys like from an exit deal?
Right.
The facts...
52% voted leave. This is largely due to the fact that England has a Tory problem. The leave vote was almost inevitable as many used it as a rebel vote, some on the (absolutely, blindingly obvious) false promises being made about the redistribution of funds. The Tories right now have no plan, the leave camp had no plan, there was no contingent.
The predicted 'leave' demographic was pretty much spot on with the 'low educated, English', which is a much larger problem that we ever cared to admit. The Tory policies (partly aided by New-Labour) caused and expanded a huge social underclass of low skill, poorly educated English people that have been rounded up and left behind without opportunity, and low chance of social mobility or navigation. This creates crime, addiction, health (mental and physical) issues, poverty, desperation, and many without a true understanding. The education system is a minefield to navigate through for an application, let alone sourcing funding and the deterrent costs. So instead of funding our own education, we play on prestige and import intelligence from European countries where they have high quality, state funded degrees while Britain largely a low-skill labour economy. This is why immigration has been perceived as a huge problem by much of the underclass-working class in the UK. Why has the government nurtured a low-skill economy? Because they are the highest spenders and consumers. They spend every last valuable penny they got, they borrow more, and hurray for capitalism. The Pound Sterling has so much value yet the true value is not seen in the UK at all. So to summarise, money mill Britain is not a good thing for the British, nor for the economy, nor for any fair standard of living. Most of the Tories power comes from media control and the predictable nature of the poorly educated.
The Tories often repeat phrases that are proven untrue time and time again, yet people believe it, such as 'strong economy', 'strong leadership' and repeatedly use terminology that will pretty much brainwash those none the wiser as to the actual facts and statistics behind the results of their actions. Theresa May has even started to steal 'Labour' terminology including the use of the words 'fair' 'inclusive' and 'good for everyone', as well as good old Tory spin such as 'living within our means'. Which shows that they are intentionally lying about the truth behind their economic policy, but people are placated by the words ringing about their heads that pretty much sound reasonable, relatable and understandable.
Use of such words is pretty much manipulating people's ideas and thoughts pretty much in the same way subliminal advertising does, something that was banned in the UK in 1957.
The truth is, right now the UK is facing the most crucial and important political challenges since WWII and you vote Conservative over supporting Labour and the genuine opportunity presented by Jeremy Corbyn, you are directly responsible for the causing the stagnation of the UK economy, the plundering the the UK Public funds, the increase in poverty, mental illness, declination of professional jobs, the increase in personal debt, the decrease in social mobility, increase in social divide, the increase in persecution, discrimination and segregation of ethnic/religious groups.
To highlight this, I once questioned a friend on their vote in the general election, and the answer I received was 'Labour is for poor people, I work hard and I ain't no scrounger.'. This coming from someone who earns £18K pa, used public schooling, uses the NHS regularly, and receives working tax credits. This is clearly someone brainwashed by the media and social stigma.
While the Labour leadership draws to an end (let's face it, Owen Smith will only win by a direct fix despite the amount of questionable actions taken by the Labour party and the NEC to swing it away from Corbyn's favour) the result is pretty much inevitable. I question anyone that is genuinely supporting that Misogynistic, racist, plastic corporate boy. We can only hope that the Labour PLP fall in behind Corbyn as a more effective opposition.
Despite Jeremy Corbyn's strong fight against Theresa May recently and the plan to reintroduce more social divide (let's face it, no matter the implementation, grammar schools will only choose those well behaved, well mannered, easy to deal with kids, which means stable, disciplined parenting, which means 'mostly' educated, middle classed kids, which means it will instantly fail). They have not raised any real offensive against the Tories in regards to Europe, and it is clear that the Tories are still weak in this area (let's face it, Theresa May is actually incredibly evil, and incompetent to the extent that she makes me wish DC didn't resign, though election fraud etc...) People need to wake up that 'witty stabs' and perceived 'charisma' is meaningless when it comes to running the country.
The truth is Article 50 is a ticking time bomb. People of this country are stupid if they believe that 'things aren't so bad', but they need to seriously realise that we are not out of the EU yet. Nothing has changed, except for a slight drop in strength of the pound sterling. The plan is, to come up with trade agreements globally and with the EU that is beneficial to the UK before activating article 50.
The main problem is. The UK has 2 ultimate choices.
1. To trade with the EU, the UK must accept free movement. Which will mean, nothing really changes in regards to the UK's situation of immigration and Sovereignty and the EU can impose legislation and overrule matters of concern to the UK without any discussion, or representation from the UK. Basically we will have lost our voice in Europe. This result will keep the UK economy stable, but overtime the EU will be the overlords, and it will become apparent.
2. The UK triggers article 50 with no plans, trade agreements and literally will be like '**** it'. This will completely crash the UK economy. We will not be able to trade with the EU, and the UK will have to sell things cheaply to developing countries (that aren't stable) to keep things afloat.
The Former is good for the short term, the latter is good for the long term. The reason being why option 2 is better, is because the UK has some of the highest quality mechanical engineering that is desired the world over, and due to having an efficient and modern infrastructure, handled well, the UK's economy could bounce back harder and faster than some DOOM scenarios would care to admit, many business and economic analysts would agree that the EU has been stifling the UK economy. Also, we may as well take advantage of this situation as best we can. The EU has run its course, it is not suit for purpose, the EU fat cats need to step down, and something new needs to take over. It is no secret that the United States of Europe has been the vision for some time now, and while I don't think the EU is essentially 'bad', the model is inflated, inefficient, and stubborn, and a hard exit will almost completely destroy the EU, while a soft exit will maintain the EU.
So what would you guys like from an exit deal?
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