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  • A Ginger Sheep
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    Well thermal paste is going to be included with a stock cooler anyway. If it is an OEM chip without a stock cooler then they will have to buy aftermarket which always includes a tube. Extra fans normally are not required as components are running cooler and any cases suggested for high end builds will have adequate stock cooling as standard.

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  • Rhett
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    One sees a lot of advice for different builds, but many inexperienced people don't realise 'hidden' costs. It would be great if people could suggest types of fans for instance when giving advice, and things like thermal paste etc. The little things that alot of people don't normally think to include in builds, and when they buy all their components, realise they are missing, or don't budget for such.

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  • BUDFORCE
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    "bang for buck"

    ...that means getting something that will work as well as possible, for as little money as possible, within your budget. Couple of things with this. Firstly, research components first, get familiar with the latest technology. Have a go at making a build list, Aria main website has a great feature with the "wishlists" that can be made public, you can post them here and people will drill down in your build, offer advice or maybe jsut give you reasurement that you have a good build already.


    My advice:

    Unless you are flush with cash, stay away from the very top end of hardware at the time. Manufacturers charge a premium for "the best" which tends to far outweigh the performance gain you get from these. For me, if you can afford it, the sweet spot is around the 2nd/3rd tier hardware. Also, again, if you can afford it, avoid the budget/low end hardware, the saying "buy cheap, buy twice" may apply, yes you can get a decent gaming build for much less than a top end one, buy it will become obsolete faster, meaning in a few years you will need upgrades or an entire overhaul again so over time, it may not work out financially beneficial if you intend to carry on gaming for years to come.

    Parts:

    Avoid unbranded/unknown brands. Most of these will be cheap chinese knock offs. Whilst some, or argueably most of these will probably work totally fine, the chances of them failing is higher. Only buy decent branded parts from a reputable vendor (like Aria) where you know there will have been some research into the components to ensure they are of a good quality.

    Power Supplies:

    This is not a part to skimp on. Yes an expensive power supply does not make your PC run faster. But let me give you an analogy. With motorcycle electrics, on most bikes they run on 12v. Now, if you have a good quality battery, it will put out nearly 12v at all times, even when it starts to lose charge or become old. Cheap batteries will not, and when they degrade the voltage output will start to drop. As the voltage drops, the current will increase, to supply the same amount of energy to each component of your motorcycle. Higher current means more heat. What does heat do to metal? Expands it. And what happens when it cools? It contracts. So that effect of expansion and contraction, stretches the electrical contacts between components. This expanding and contracting effect then expidites the more stretched the contacts get, as more current (and more heat) will be needed to go through these connections. Eventually to the point where the contacts break, and your bike doesnt work anymore.

    The same thing happens in your PC, and your power supply is like your battery. Dont buy a cheap one.

    Motherboard:

    In my experience the weak part of a PC build. Possibly I have had bad luck with these, but I have had 3 go on me, leach time not logn after the warranty period had expired! Fingers crossed my current motherboard has been going for 5 years now. Thing with the motherboard is again, buying a really good one doesnt really seem to affect ther performance of your machine all that much, which is to a certain extent true. But, if there is one thing that will go before a lot of the rest of your hardware it'll be this. The other problem is that they then tend to become obsolete pretty quickly or to put it another way, you have a build a few years old. Your motherboards goes and its outside of any warranty. Whilst the rest of your system components may be perfectly fine, you may find it difficult to obtain the same, or compatible board. Meaning you may need to to a risk or second hand board and pay over the odds to get hold of one, or your bassically gonna end up having to get a new CPU/RAM even though they were fine.

    The summarise on this, you may not need a top end board with all of the features, but don't go cheap on this either, buy a decent branded board and not just the cheapest one you can find that will do the job - you may end up regretting it later. The other thing I will say with these, is try and find one with the longest manufacturer warranty period you can find, it may pay off in the long run.

    CPU:

    CPU's are in general pretty sturdy, and unles things majorly change (which I cannot see happening any time soon), you got 2 major brands. Intel and generally faster and better, but more expensive. AMD cheaper but not quite as good. Really both are good and should last, so the choice is really down to budget to performance preference on this one. One thing I will say when it comes to Intel CPU's is you get unlocked or "K" versions of the CPU. These will have been tested beyond stock speeds, if if you dont intend to overclock initially, it may be worth the extra pennies on one of these, as you know you will have plenty in the reserve tank should you need it in the future and may last longer as the CPU will not be running at its full potential.

    RAM:

    Hmmm, maybe one of the parts you can get away with a lower teir brand. Faulty RAM is pretty easy to diagnose, swap the modules out, run memtests etc. I still wouldn't go completely unbranded though.

    GPU:

    This now really boils down to budget. The other thing I will say about GPU's is the techonolgy at least at the moment is progressing faster then most other things, so in a few years time, it will become the most dated part of your build. Fortunately these are pretty easy to swap out so upgrading later is very viable. It also means your GPU will probably suffer the most depreciation. Again, I would avoid the very top end, but 2nd/3rd tier will be fine.

    If you are getting one to last, make sure it has plenty of VRAM. Nvidia in particular, are buggers for shipping cards out with low amounts of VRAM for the specs.

    Good luck.

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  • taurii
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    Theres already a guide here though I think clarity is of essence in this minefield of hardware and opinions.


    Budget: - what you can spend 1 week from now and with an extra 10% in reserve.


    Typically recomendations will be offered that are up to 10% more than your budget but which add tremendous value. Hardware and prices change like the wind so to save yourself and others time, be ready to nail your chosen recomendation at up to 10% more than you factored


    Use: - the actual software and games you use, and what you are looking forward to running in the future.


    A gaming or video/audio production machine does not tell the whole story. Software and hardware matching is quite a science so it's best to know what precise applications it's for.


    Spares: - what potentially useful components you own


    Rather than state what you would like which may sway opinions, just state what components you own as this way you can then compare others recomendations against your own judgement. Include stuff like Operating system and screen of course.


    Environment: - who and where it is intended for.


    Aesthtics and noise count for a lot depending on where the machine is and who operates it. Quiet media gaming centre for the family? Personal gaming machine for oneself? Office machine for a professional environment?


    Lifespan: - how long you are realisticly looking for this machine to be servicable?


    You may be looking for this set price to last a certain number of years. You may be looking to upgrade to it over time. You may be in a position to sell on parts making it a constant uppgrade - this information is useful.




    To help everyone to help you then commence with a blank canvas and just supply the paint - opinions will always differ which is the point of this.


    Budget
    Use
    Spares
    Environment
    Lifespan

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  • spleenharvester
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    Same. College is probably less of a handful though I'll probably be away from the help section for a couple weeks while I get used to it.

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  • Spaceboy
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    Hope you don't mind my bumping this one

    A few people recently have been pm'ing me for advice, and while I will always help when I can, I do have a full-time job and a family with 2 young kids... so just a quick note to say that a pm will not always get responded to quickly, or necessarily with the best advice - regardless of who you pm.

    The best way to get a quick question answered is to post it to the forum where any number of knowledgeable people can answer it and most likely suggest alternatives as well

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  • Tyddraig
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    Hello help please

    Right, firstly I haven't built a PC from scratch for over 7 years. So I've been asking around for a decent set up in the £500 region finding that I would have to stretch my budget somewhat. So far I came up with the following which is £590 (quite happy with that). All I need now, I believe, is a PSU and case. I'm not sure if I've missed anything.

    Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail 1x
    ASUS P8P67 Intel P67 (REV B3) Socket 1155 DDR3 PCI-Express Motherboard 1x
    2GB Mushkin Silverline #991768 (1x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz 9-9-9-24 2x
    Asus GeForce GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card 1x
    1TB Seagate Barracuda ST31000528AS 3.5" SATA II Hard Drive - 3yr Warranty 1x
    LG DVD Writer, GH22NS50, SATA, Black, OEM 1x


    So what case am I looking for to accommodate this and what PSU would people recommend to power this setup?
    And again, If I've missed something please let me know

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  • chrissyburns
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    if your ever building a computer if your on a tight budget go with AMD they are very cheap and good enough if you want to go for that little extra go with INTEL if going crazy with money

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  • joker3327
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    Finchy ...CPU list for your board

    http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/mb-ASUS/P5LD2-X_1333.html

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  • samuelmorris
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    With a BIOS flash that board will probably support a 45nm CPU like the E5/7/8 series, but not any quad cores. Up to you if you consider that a worthwhile upgrade. I wouldn't advise buying a new board and CPU on 775, it's too outdated.

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  • Finchy
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    Upgrade for my aging PC??

    Id like some advice, Ive got an aging system, but im happy with it and simply cant afford a big upgrade atm.

    Current PC

    Asus P5LD2-X/1333 motherboard
    Core 2 Duo E4600 + Freezer Pro 7 Cooler
    Crucial Ballistix 2 x 1gb DDR2
    Sound Blaster Audigy 2
    WD 500gb sata hd
    OCZ Vertex 2E SSD 64gb
    ATI 4850 + Artic Cooling Twin Turbo Pro Cooler
    Fractal Design Define R3 white case ( bought from aria, love it )
    XP Pro SP3

    As you can see the recent upgrade was the SSD, thought was nice to have instant OS boot up. Was looking at ebay to upgrade my motherboard to a better 775 one so I can OC more and possible get more speed out of my SSD, it doesnt quite max out on my current chipset.

    The gigabyte X48 looked like nice mb with good chipset ( X45 ) but its prob 50 quid min on ebay.

    Perhaps I should just get 2nd hand processor?

    Also Im trying to get very quite system, hence the new case,SSD and my VGA cooler, it seems the GPU makes the most noise, the case fans at 45% are virtually silent.

    I think Im just looking to tinker at something, possibly not a good thing lol.

    Any advice appreciated, my budget is super limited, £50-£80 quid or so. With XP im limited to 3gb ram as well atm..have to wait to get windows 7, wife prob study soon again so could get cheap then.

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    Finchy

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  • gibbo 69
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    cheerstake your advise

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  • Spaceboy
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    Originally posted by gibbo 69 View Post
    need to build a gaming rig cash to spend £650
    reason for new rig is my son wants my rig so i dont need to buy him xmas prizzy

    case
    mobo
    cpu
    ramx 6 gig
    hdd x 2
    Graphics Card
    Sound Card
    Gaming Mouse
    Gaming Keyboard
    Cooler
    22x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter - Retail
    psu
    make a new thread mate, you'll have better luck

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  • gibbo 69
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    need new gaming rig

    need to build a gaming rig cash to spend £650
    reason for new rig is my son wants my rig so i dont need to buy him xmas prizzy

    case
    mobo
    cpu
    ramx 6 gig
    hdd x 2
    Graphics Card
    Sound Card
    Gaming Mouse
    Gaming Keyboard
    Cooler
    22x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter - Retail
    psu

    all suggestions and help would be helpfull and gr8tfull

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  • ZodiarK
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    quite easily mate, you have enough for a decent gpu also.

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