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Hey,
Just chosen all my components for my new computer. Can someone tell me if all the components work together. Graphics cards are going to be in SLI config. This is going to be a gaming system. :)
Thermaltake BLACK JR ARMOR CASE WITH WINDOW
Gigabyte AM2 nVidia MCP55P ATX 8Ch Audio GLan
Samsung SpinPoint 320GB 7200RPM S300 16MB
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000 Dual Core AM2 1MB 3.1GHz
Dabs Value 650W PSU Black 12cm SATA PFC
BFG Tech NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT OC2 X2
OCZ 4GB PC2-6400 Titanium XTC Edition (2x2GB)
Pioneer 20x Internal DVDRW Black SATA OEM
Logitech MX518 Gaming-Grade Optical Mouse
Belkin Waverest Gel Mouse Pad (Black)
Saitek Eclipse Keyboard II - Keyboard
Thanks for the help! :lol:
Have you bought any of them? Because if not, i would definatley make some changes.
I haven't bought anything yet. Very close to. The price can't increase much from what it is now. The total is about £550. What changes would you make?
Firstly, i would change from AMD to intel, secondly I would change the GFX card, and i would change the psu as a must, cheap psus are dangerous. Let Me spec you up a system.
I'm going to stick with AMD. They are good and cheap. The GFX card is the best in its price range. The power psu I will change, I just picked the first one that had good power with a low price.
Thanks for the quick response :)
go for this:
https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Keyboards/Saitek+Eclipse+2+Illuminated+Keyboard+?productId=2 5053
https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/PCI-E/ATI+Radeon+4000+Series/Sapphire+ATI+Radeon+HD+4870+512MB+PCI-E+2.0+?productId=34504
https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/Socket+775+%28Intel%29/Gigabyte+GA-EP31-DS3L+iP31+Express+Socket+775+Motherboard+?productI d=33793
https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/500w+%2B/OCZ+500W+StealthXstream+PSU+?productId=29090
https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Mice/Razer+Krait+Game+Laser+Mouse?productId=27129
https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CD%2FDVD+Drives/Internal/IDE/NEC+Optiarc+AD-5200+20x+Internal+DVDRW+Black+Bare?productId=29721
https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR2/DDR2+667+%28PC5300%2F5400%29/GeIL+4GB+PC2-5300+C5+Black+Dragon+%282x2GB%29+?productId=29675
https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/MIDI+Tower/Antec+Three+Hundred+Cool+and+Quiet++Gaming+Case+?p roductId=31087
https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CPUs+%2F+Processors/Intel/P4+Socket+775+%28800MHz%29/Intel+Pentium+Dual+Core+E5200%2C+2.50GHz%2C+2MB+Ca che%2C+%28Retail%2C+775%29+?productId=34512
I am not sure about motherboards, so let someone else reccomend the best, that comes in at £505 including shipping and will blow the one you chose out of the water, given a bit of overclocking on the processor, or if budget allows, a faster processor.
The gfx card i picked out will be much faster than the SLI, and the intel system will be far faster.
Your buying two 9600GT's which approx cost £200 in total.
You can get a Radeon 4870 1GB for £206 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/PCI-E/ATI+Radeon+4000+Series/PowerColor+HD4870+1G+PCI-E+2.0%28x16%29+?productId=34366) and it will own a 9600GT SLI setup.
EDIT: I'll just be quiet, lynx has it under control :p
+1 :thumbsup: for whatever he suggests.
That system doesn't look any better. You just changed the processor to a slower intel one. And the GFX card to a ATI one :S
Do the parts I originally suggested work together? I will change the power supply though. :)
http://www.idigitech.com/product_info.php?currency=GBP&products_id=164143 Graphics card is going for an extremely low price ;) 170 for 2 of them
That Intel CPU can be overclocked to up to 4Ghz, that AMD wont get near. Not to mention the Intel chip is more efficient per clock to start with.
The 4870 Graphics card will outperform the nVidia 9600 with ease.
Okay, thanks for the advice. But will my system work? :)
I do like your knowledge, but please stop contesting our help. We spec pcs daily, we know more than anyone what is best. If you wish i will find you benchmark after benchmark proving my point, but that would be time consuming, were advising you because we have a lot of experience, not because were loyal to one brand.
Okay okay, But I would like to stick with AMD, I don't plan on over clocking so it is exactly what I need. I will go with the 4700. And probably keep my ram and case. Also, in the future, when I get more money will I be able to use that card in CrossFireX (I think its the ATI version of SLI) with another card?
Thanks :D
Yes it would work, except for the Sli issues you would likely encounter.
I would get the 1GB ATI 4870, much better for high res gaming.
Does the 1 GB cost much more? And is there an affordable motherboard that will support the ATI card and AMD processor?
Why the dependance on AMD? I used to be an AMD only person, but then i realised i got more for my money with intel and better performance, so i went there.
Because I'm on budget. Heard a lot of good things about AMD. Read that AMD require lower clocking speed to do the same things that intel chips do. But mainly the price. 3.1 GHZ duo chip for £67. I can overclock the chip a little but don't intend to.
i was the same, wouldn't touch intel with a long stick!
But now I HAAAAAAATTTTEEEEEEEE AMD and ATI!
But the am2 6000 x2 is cracking value at £60
as is the 4850 and 4870
I'm going to go with the 1 GB 4870. But stay with AMD. ^^
Do you know a board that will take them both?
Any board will take ATI or NVidia cards.
These guys are exactly right. After having a quick scan through, yes your parts should work together. But to be blunt, you will be wasting your money, and thats what these guys are trying to stop you doing!
The rig that Lynx spec'd up is a good system. I recently built a system with that same motherboard and its good.
I'd add a hard drive to what he said, and if possible see if you can go for something like an E8400 for the CPU if budget allows. But if its not possible what he said will do very well, and will easily compete with the original spec.
AMD are good, and they would always be my preferred choice if it was possible - but when you look at performance/£, you just can't beat Intel at the moment.
:lol:
I think i got engrossed in a film and took longer writing that reply than I thought! that would have been reply #14 :lol:
I'm going to go with what lynx suggested. But I think that I should get the AMD processor. Its 3.1 ghz and the other is 2.5 and they're almost the same price. The AMD being cheaper. So shouldn't I go with the more powerful one?
The thing is that cpus cant just be rated by pure mhz/ghz power any more. They do different amounts of work per cycle.. I'll try and explain..
If you have 2 cpus, both working at 10Mhz. Say that also means they cycle 10 times per second. CPU A can do 2 calculations per cycle. CPU B can do 3 calculations per cycle. Which means, that even though they run at the same clock speed, CPU A can only do 20 calculations per second, but CPU B can do 30.
Now scale that up to the 2-3Ghz cpus that we are using today. Thats a similar situation. Intel CPUs can generally do more work per cycle than AMD CPUs - at the moment. Does that make sense, or has that just made it more confusing? :lol: :)
At the end of the day tho, its your money and you need to spend it on what you will be most happy with :) People will try and assist, but either way, neither will be a slow system. People here will just try and help you get the most bang for the buck :)
How many times do i have to say this, at this price point AMD ALL THE WAY!!
Do some homework guys for £60ish for a cpu intel cannot compare with AMD UNLESS you plan to d some serious over clocking the x2 6000 is on par with a E6600 in most tests over on toms hardware. So unless the newer Intel "low end" chips are better than the older 6000 range then i stand by my advice. With Deneb around the corner the upgrade path isn't so much of an argument as some AM2 boards will be compatible with a bios upgrade.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2008-q1-2008/Deep-Fritz-10,375.html
Lol, so what should I go for? I might over clock the intel so it will make it worth it. Might need a little more power because the 4870 requires 500W minimum. Going to go with 650W. Will there be room on the mother board for another graphics card cos I think the 4870 takes up 2 slots? :S
I would say if you don't want to spend more than £60 on CPU get the 6000 am2
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CPUs+%2F+Processors/AMD/Athlon+64+Socket+AM2/AMD+Athlon+64+X2+Dual+Core+6000%2B+3.1GHz+%28AM2%2 9+?productId=33927
If you can afford to spend £15 more go for intel E7200
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CPUs+%2F+Processors/Intel/Core+2+Duo/Intel+Core+2+Duo+E7200+2.53GHz+%28Retail+775%29+?p roductId=31114
Its not as plain cut as "this is 3.1ghz so its better"
Its about the cache, the front side bus, the chip size 45nm etc, the power draw, the heat it creates etc etc
So for budget I would say AMD, but if you can stretch to £75 get the E7200.
Looking at bench marks to beat the E7200 in raw bandwidth and performance (forget the ghz!!!) you need an AMD 6400 x2.
So for £15 more the 7200 seems a good bang vs buck! and its VERY OVERCLOCKABLE!
UNLESS you plan to d some serious over clocking
I think thats what they were suggesting,
That Intel CPU can be overclocked to up to 4Ghz, that AMD wont get near. and I was agreeing and trying to point out that 3Ghz VS 3Ghz isnt as straight forward as that..
I think thats what they were suggesting, and I was agreeing and trying to point out that 3Ghz VS 3Ghz isnt as straight forward as that..
Its like a Ferrari driving 40 mph on the motorway and a Ford Escort driving at 90mph.
An extreme example but the Ferrari would be the better choice ;)
But for sub £60 strict budget I have to opt for AMD for non overclock option.
Okay, I think I can stretch to £15 more :P And I will overclock it, seems a waste not to. Also going to overclock the graphics card. Only a little though.
Is this http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/CPU+Coolers/Arctic+Cooling+Freezer+7+PRO+(Socket+LGA775)+?prod uctId=20729 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/CPU+Coolers/Arctic+Cooling+Freezer+7+PRO+%28Socket+LGA775%29+? productId=20729) a good enough cooler for it?
Okay, I think I can stretch to £15 more :P And I will overclock it, seems a waste not to. Also going to overclock the graphics card. Only a little though.
Is this http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/CPU+Coolers/Arctic+Cooling+Freezer+7+PRO+(Socket+LGA775)+?prod uctId=20729 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/CPU+Coolers/Arctic+Cooling+Freezer+7+PRO+%28Socket+LGA775%29+? productId=20729) a good enough cooler for it?
finest cooler in the land!
wonderlust
16-12-08, 13:10
lol hardly the finest but an excelent cooler with excelent VFM
Okay, think i'm done. This is the system. Anything else I need. Or any changes?
https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/PCI-E/ATI+Radeon+4000+Series/Sapphire+ATI+Radeon+HD+4870+512MB+PCI-E+2.0+?productId=34504
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CPUs+%2F+Processors/Intel/Core+2+Duo/Intel+Core+2+Duo+E7200+2.53GHz+(Retail+775)+?produ ctId=31114 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CPUs+%2F+Processors/Intel/Core+2+Duo/Intel+Core+2+Duo+E7200+2.53GHz+%28Retail+775%29+?p roductId=31114)
https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR2/DDR2+667+(PC5300%2F5400)/GeIL+4GB+PC2-5300+C5+Black+Dragon+(2x2GB)+?productId=29675 (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR2/DDR2+667+%28PC5300%2F5400%29/GeIL+4GB+PC2-5300+C5+Black+Dragon+%282x2GB%29+?productId=29675)
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/Socket+775+(Intel)/Gigabyte+GA-EP31-DS3L+iP31+Express+Socket+775+Motherboard+?productI d=33793 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/Socket+775+%28Intel%29/Gigabyte+GA-EP31-DS3L+iP31+Express+Socket+775+Motherboard+?productI d=33793)
https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/CPU+Coolers/Arctic+Cooling+Freezer+7+PRO+(Socket+LGA775)+?prod uctId=20729 (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/CPU+Coolers/Arctic+Cooling+Freezer+7+PRO+%28Socket+LGA775%29+? productId=20729)
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CD%2FDVD+Drives/Internal/IDE/NEC+Optiarc+AD-5200+20x+Internal+DVDRW+Black+Bare?productId=29721
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Hard+Drives/Serial+ATA/320Gb+Samsung+HD322HJ+F1+SATA+?productId=33292
https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/500w+%2B/OCZ+500W+StealthXstream+PSU+?productId=29090
Looks like a very good system :) You will be pleased!
The only thought I had, was that I might try and go for slightly faster ram, if you can, but I havent really looked at the prices so I dont know where they stand! :)
I think that ram is 5-5-5-15. But I think this is better. 4-4-4-14
https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR2/DDR2+800+(PC6400)/OCZ+4GB+PC2-6400+Titanium+XTC+Edition+(2x2GB)+?productId=33984 (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR2/DDR2+800+%28PC6400%29/OCZ+4GB+PC2-6400+Titanium+XTC+Edition+%282x2GB%29+?productId=3 3984)
same price as you original choice and better speed etc....
https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR2/DDR2+800+%28PC6400%29/Patriot+4GB+PC2-6400+C4+Viper+Extreme+Performance+%282x2GB%29+?pro ductId=29822
lol hardly the finest but an excelent cooler with excelent VFM
Finest bang for buck :D
I think that one word posts are just as bad as spam...
Sorry
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EDIT: Sorry coiler, i wasnt calling you clueless
I like how we stayed ontopic for TWO PAGES!
Well done guys, round of applause.
I think mac has a point with the £60 stock speeds issue, but if this guy overclocks the Intel chip suggested then I think it will be better.
Yeah, I am going to overclock the intel chip. Not sure how high I can go without risk of damaging it. Might go to 3.0 -3.53.
Yeah, I am going to overclock the intel chip. Not sure how high I can go without risk of damaging it. Might go to 3.0 -3.53.
Go to 3.0 ghz, if everything runs flossy leave it be :)
Yeah, I am going to overclock the intel chip. Not sure how high I can go without risk of damaging it. Might go to 3.0 -3.53.
Just had a final check through your build, go with Patriot memory Tystar recco'd on last page and BIN the IDE dvdrw.
Get this instead
https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CD%2FDVD+Drives/Internal/SATA/Samsung+22x+SH-S223F+DVD%C2%B1RW+SATA+-+Black+?productId=31918
What would be the advantage of getting SATA than an IDE drive?
Think the other parts are SATA too so will that help?
IDE is dead in the water and needs banning along with the fax machine, amex cards and cheques. :mrgreen:
Its dated technology, sata is the only way to go for a new build. Less of a resource hog, better case airflow, faster interface etc etc
I was going with SATA drives before. But was given a IDE drive. Lol. The one thing I got right :P
I would only go intel if you get the 7200 or better / do some serious overclocking, even my X2's do overclock too, no where near as high percentage wise as the intels granted, my x2 5200 is currently running 3ghz @ stock voltage across the board up from 2.6, not massive i know but not shabby all things considered. So for a mild overclock the X2 shouldn't be totally ruled out, 3.5ghz should be within reach on a reasonable mobo.
I like how we stayed ontopic for TWO PAGES!
Well done guys, round of applause.
I think mac has a point with the £60 stock speeds issue, but if this guy overclocks the Intel chip suggested then I think it will be better.
Im still on the first page :P
Okay, I'm going to order it today. Going to go with the inel chip. Going to make the most of the overclock capability.
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