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I've searched long and hard, asked questions on Yahoo...and nobody can answer me, my very simple question. TIME TO ASK THE EXPERTS :D
Does the ATI Radeon HD 3650 512MB AGP need its own power connector from the PSU or can it draw all its power through the slot?
Please note that this is AGP not PCI-e and the product in mind can we found at the link below:
http://tinyurl.com/67nmsl
Please could finally somebody answer my question,
Cheers,
Shed
You will need a pcie power connection from the psu.
http://www.svideocards.ru/wp-content/gallery/sapphire_hd3650/hd3650_agp_512mb_gddr3_11129-00.jpg
Why would i need a PCI-e power connector, if its not PCI-e?
Remember this is a AGP card!
The AGP slot can only supply a certain amount of power, 50watt iirc. The 3650 obviously requires more current than that hence requiring an external power source. You can always use a molex to pcie power adapter, the card may actually come with one?
It will use either a molex connector, or a small 5 pin power connector such as floppy drives use.
A quick google revealed this...
http://www.bilgisayar-destek.com/resim2/sapphirehd3650.jpg
Clearly a PCI-E connector :P
Why would they put a PCI-E connector on an AGP card?
You will need extra power, yes..
I've only ever seen AGP cards with molex connectors, and PCI-E cards with PCI-E connectors. Not really ever come across an AGP card with a PCI-E connector tho? That just seems a bit odd to me?
I've seen a couple before :)
http://www.svideocards.ru/wp-content/gallery/sapphire_hd3650/hd3650_agp_512mb_gddr3_11129-00.jpg
Fairly certain thats AGP and i think thats a pcie power connector.
I could be wrong though???
Sarcasm is hard to get across on a forum isn't it ;) :lol:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/mac124/smilies/coolspeak.gif
I wasnt disputing they existed - just wonder what the logic was behind it! :)
Who knows mate, probably save a few pence putting the same connectors on all cards across the range.
Yeah, more than likely financial! :lol:
So do we have a verdict? Because I have a Dell Optiplex GX280 and putting a new PSU in there would be a horrible job, as they seem different compared with normal ones. All my output connectors are used so I guess this 3650 is a no no? I have a floppy drive (only if the AGP card uses a molar connector) I can dissconnect that and then use that power for the gfx card.
well you have a couple of options
1) fit some sort of psu splitter cable, like this for example
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Cabling/Power/5.25+to+2x+5.25+MOLEX+POWER+SPLITTER+?productId=86
connect the above to this molex to pcie adapter
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Cabling/Power/4Pin+Molex+to+PCI-E+6Pin+Adapter+?productId=17133
and plug it into the 3650.
Not very pretty but it should work, whats the power rating of your current psu btw?
Or by a graphics card that doesn't need external power.
Ah yes, very good idea...well my PSU is a suckish 210W.
Thats powering a:
3.0Ghz P4HT (800mhzFSB)
1GB RAM
ATI Radeon 9200SE 128mb
80GB 7200rpm HDD
Hope this helps
Well, I think with a 210w PSU i'd be worried about plugging in another USB Memory stick, let alone a more powerful graphics card! :lol:
I would definitely upgrade the PSU!
oooo, but my computer is one of them retarded sitting down type ones (not a tower) so its PSU is like specially made. Am I at a dead end?
Just stand it on its side and pretend... :lol:
I dont really know how much of the Dell stuff is proprietary, but if it is standard ATX stuff, apart from the PSU, then you should just be able to buy a cheapy case, a good PSU and the graphics card and slot it all back together.. Unfortunately, I would guess Dell hasnt been that thoughtful, and it wont be that easy.. Might be a good excuse for a new computer? :D
well i have thought about a new case...you know which dell i mean rite? http://www.pcarenahungary.com/pricelist/oriaskep/Dell_OptiPlex_Gx280-165.jpg
Thats it...because its "sat down" I'm thinking the motherboard wouldn't fit in. THe mobo measured 10cmx10cm :) would it be ok with this case (saves me havin to buy a new PSU) http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/MIDI+Tower/4in1+MIDI+Tower+with+Window+and+Lights%2CKB%2CMse% 2C+Spkr+?productId=21034
Thanks alot for your help on this btw :)
wonderlust
02-12-08, 07:53
I have a GX270 the previous model. They are low form factor and the psu runs the whole length of the case.
there is very little room inside, to be honest a new pc would be the better option.
Nothing inside these is standard atx not the motherboard not the psu
Ahhhh, well i bought this comp relativly recently off **** for £85 :P so a new comp is outta the question! What would be the best PCI or AGP card that would work in it? I currently have a Radeon 9200SE 128mb :)
wonderlust
02-12-08, 17:48
The GX280 iirc IS PCIE so you need a low profiel PCIE card
So my dell has PCI-e? I can't see any just x1 PCI (adapter converts into x2 PCI) and x1 AGP. Could you recommend any cards that are better than my current and don't need a seperate power connector.
wonderlust
02-12-08, 18:11
on the back of the gx280 is a code probably ending in 0j 1j or 2j if you go to dells webstite that will give you the full spec of your system
It doesn't show any deatails about my mobo, but I can't see any PCI-e slots (on the mobo)
What card should I get then?
Think we need a piccy of the mobo mate, though knowing dell it may well not have agp OR pcie.
Ah yes...its PCI-e (sorry, i just found out:P) so I have PCI slots and PCI-e...what would be the best graphics card that I could have that'd work on a 210W PSU? I already have 128mb Radeon 9200SE (PCI)
IF it needs to be low profile then something like this maybe.
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/PCI-E/nVIDIA+GeForce+9+Series/XFX+GeForce+9400+GT+512MB+PCI-E+2.0+?productId=33581
Are you 100% sure your mobo has a pcie slot?
yup I'm dead certain and PCI-e slots are black (like mine) and the little devider thing (in the slot) is in the same position as a picture i saw of a PCI-e slot on google.
The card can be full size, but just has to work on 210W PSU :)
Well in that case then if you don't need a low profile card upgrade the above to a 9500gt.
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/PCI-E/nVIDIA+GeForce+9+Series/nVidia+GeForce+9500GT+512MB+PCI-E+?productId=33967
It certainly doesn't require an external power connection but i really wouldn't like to say if a 210w psu would cope with it but this is a quote from nvidias website
Minimum System Power Requirement (W)350 W
I would expect that to be a conservative figure but its entirely up to you what you get. Even the 9400gt apparently needs a 300w psu.
A 9500GT would absoloutly blow it out of the water on a 210W PSU I think...I thought maybe something below 8 series (I'm just guessing but I can find graphic card PSU requirments anywhere)
What games will you be playing, i don't think anyone actually asked lol.
I'm usually over ambitious in the games I want to play, so I usually choose from what gfx cards I could buy. I would play BF2 if my gfx card would allow it. I just want to know whats the best PCI-e or PCI card that'd work on a 210W PSU
Even the 8500gt minimum psu requirement is 300w, again i suspect this is a conservative guide.
I think you might just have to take a chance mate all the low end cards i have looked at "apparently" require a psu of 300-350 watt.
Maybe consider a 3450 i know this has a bit of gaming capability as a mate at work plays COD4 on his albeit on lowish settings.
Yeh I could imagine, I've just been lookin on the ATI website and i found this http://ati.amd.com/products/Radeonhd4500/index.html the minimum requirments for power is 300W but if you look on the overview section it says "Consumes less than 25 watts under full load" I've just done a PSU calcualtor and my current PC requires 194W (and thats with a radeon 9200 128mb) so do you think a 4550 would be possible?
Do you have AGP or PCI-E again? im confused, if you only have AGP then this card will not be on AGP.
The card will have to be PCI-e and work on 210W PSU...the Ati HD 4550/3450/4350 all seem to be looking like possibilities (they require less than 25W according to ATI)
Any comments experts? Good idea to do this...bad idea?
wonderlust
03-12-08, 07:43
the other thing to worry about is heat, the optiplex cases raun fairly hot at the best of times.
Ahhh yes, I've been thinking about that...well there are 2 fans pushin air outside the case (nice design) from the CPU fan and PSU, and the temperature of the air seems to be reasonable. If i get a graphic card such as the HD 4550 that only uses less than 25 watts, shouldn't produce much heat?
Also can we comfirm that a 4550 would be ok?
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