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Hi Guys,
Sunday is thr day for Llano! Though it may not be Bulldozer, Llano is a great all in one CPU & GPU package offering DirectX 11 graphics with speeds similar to Athlon II but on 32nm. Those after a decent simple solution to play movies, play the latest games and do all the other things, then this may well be for you.
These APU processors shall be with us early this week and we have two Gigabyte boards already in stock to buy today with the rest due mid this week.
AMD Llano A6-3650 2.60GHz (Socket FM1) Processor - Retail
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Integrated HD 6530D Graphics, Quad-Core Technology, 2.60GHz Clock Speed, 443MHz GPU Clock Speed, 4MB L2 Cache, 320 Radeon Cores, DDR3-1866 Support, 100W TDP, 3 Year Warranty.
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AMD Llano A8-3850 2.90GHz (Socket FM1) Processor - Retail w/ FREE DIRT 3 GAME!
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Integrated HD 6550D Graphics, Quad-Core Technology, 2.90GHz Clock Speed, 600MHz GPU Clock Speed, 4MB L2 Cache, 400 Radeon Cores, DDR3-1866 Support, 100W TDP, 3 Year Warranty.
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Click below to see our full range of Socket FM1 motherboards
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/AMD+FM1+%28Llano%29/
Plenty of reviews around to read about this new platform, all positive about these CPUs. :thumb:
Ooooh, very interesting, and pretty attractive pricing :thumb:
PeterStoba
03-07-11, 11:26
Hmm, didn't realise they'd be this much! Good pricing but expensive on AMD's behalf
More options make the home theater builds. :)
Link to Motherboards : http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/AMD+FM1+%28Llano%29/?p=cF9zdHlsZT0mcF9wcm9kdWN0c1BlclBhZ2U9Jg==
:thumb:
Bit expensive but I it's still a perfect present for my father and brother witha total of £350 each build ;)
I forgot to mention that if you buy the A8-3850 APU, you get a free copy of Dirt 3! :)
Joey Propane
03-07-11, 12:13
Real world gaming scenarios show basically the same results as the two 3DMark tests did: the A8 and its IGP are able to come close to or beat certain mainstream DX11 GPUs. The past generation of AMD IGPs and even Intel's own HD 3000 don't have a snowball's chance in hell of keeping up. The HD 6550D is actually the first non-discrete graphics processor that we'd consider playing games with.
In our opinion, AMD has simply shattered almost every preconception about what an integrated graphics chip can do. To make matters even better for the Fusion architecture, Intel is still mired in the DX10.1 generation without any hope of DX11 reinforcements until Ivy Bridge arrives sometime in 2012.
If you only play games with fairly low requirements (Source games is the best example) then you can easily build a perfectly acceptable SFF gaming machine around one of these.
Impressive considering this is the first iteration of Fusion, in a couple of years AMD will have this so wrapped up I wouldn't be surprised if it culminated in them selling ONLY Fusion based CPU's and binning of discrete GPU's all together.
I forgot to mention that if you buy the A8-3850 APU, you get a free copy of Dirt 3! :)
Free copy of dirt3?
This just made my day :D
so these any good?
Athlon II with a 5570 to put it basically.
How does CPU activity affect graphics performance? I'm assuming benches try and use as little CPU as possible so you are just testing GPU.
How does CPU activity affect graphics performance? I'm assuming benches try and use as little CPU as possible so you are just testing GPU.
The same as a conventional Athlon II and a 5570?
Oh these are separate CPU's and GPU's smushed into one chip? I thought integrated GPU's meant that it was borrowing from CPU/RAM resources...how wrong I was ^^
SPCR think the GPU is approximate to a Radeon 5550: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1211-page8.html
Athlon II with a 5570 to put it basically.
So crap then,
If you want a HTPC then really any onboard will do 1080p
And if you want games you will have a better card.
Useless.
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4448/38876.png
redrooster303
03-07-11, 17:19
Would these chips be ok for playing games at low settings @ 720p. If so I'll stick one in the build I'm making for the kids (missed out on the 4890, on my hols :().
Terbinator
03-07-11, 17:50
So crap then,
If you want a HTPC then really any onboard will do 1080p
And if you want games you will have a better card.
Useless.
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4448/38876.png
Except that Q6600 isn't really slow, and the APU includes TDP for bot the CPU & GPU.
Would these chips be ok for playing games at low settings @ 720p. If so I'll stick one in the build I'm making for the kids (missed out on the 4890, on my hols :().
http://img.hexus.net/v2/motherboards/amd/Llano/Gig/UD4/IGPCOD.png
^^ You decide.
Would these chips be ok for playing games at low settings @ 720p. If so I'll stick one in the build I'm making for the kids (missed out on the 4890, on my hols :().
Id go as far as saying that could run a fair few games at medium with a decent framerate (40+ fps) :thumb:
So crap then,
If you want a HTPC then really any onboard will do 1080p
And if you want games you will have a better card.
Useless.
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4448/38876.png
Haven't the Intel onboard GPU's got some bug with 1080p HD x24 playback or summit?
Bit overkill for a HTPC at £105 though when a sempron, 880G mobo and 2GB ram is only £98.
Or get a sempron, asrock mobo, 2Gb RAM and a GT210 for £112 with shipping included in both.
I suppose it's more for the casual market, as their PC's using these chips will be able to play games.
It's a bit of an all rounder why it's perfect for a home pc :)
I still think its a tad expensive really as for home PC tasks you wouldnt really notice any performance increase form a £45 dual core.
I still think its a tad expensive really as for home PC tasks you wouldnt really notice any performance increase form a £45 dual core.
Check this video out might change your mind :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kGwrqSntFs&feature=player_embedded
I still think its a tad expensive really as for home PC tasks you wouldnt really notice any performance increase form a £45 dual core.
I'm not denying it's more costly than I'd hoped :(.
Boards too... It's like.. Urgh.. I can get a H61 board for like 43 quid.
looks amazing for a Home media centre :P
Haven't the Intel onboard GPU's got some bug with 1080p HD x24 playback or summit?
Nope
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6017469/Untitled.png
Doesn't prove anything tbf :p. I was on about the 2100 etc. Someone's raised it before.
The point of Llano is mainstream desktop PC's which are chucked into the likes of those in PC Planet but are cheaper in bulk because its GPU AND CPU on a single chip, meaning no need for dedicated graphics, extra cooling, extra PSU power etc.
Looks promising though, could be a nice turnaround for PC gaming if more people buy these kind of systems with some intention of gaming, and then being sucked into it. Its a great upgrade path too, those who fancy more power can chuck in a 6570 (is it? Can't remember) and they have extra performance with no real need to upgrade their PSU and is instantly compatible with their onboard.
IMO although the CPU performance is downright pants, they make excellent home desktops.
Doubt it, would pretty much render all the HTPC boards useless
Nope
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6017469/Untitled.png
Might want to rename the file before you take a screenshot of the video "Tron.Legacy.2010.BluRay.1080p.DTS.x264-CHD" lol
Might want to rename the file before you take a screenshot of the video "Tron.Legacy.2010.BluRay.1080p.DTS.x264-CHD" lol
i dont see whats wrong with that? :confused:
i dont see whats wrong with that? :confused:
jumping to conclusions :)
I guess this combination has fringe benefits such as power and cooling... I bet you could easily get away with a 250W PSU and passive cpu cooling with a single exhaust fan :thumb:
Now that'd be really really silent :)
Terbinator
03-07-11, 20:57
Doubt it, would pretty much render all the HTPC boards useless
Intel GPU's don't support 23.976FPS playback - a genuine issue for HTPC uses.
Intel GPU's don't support 23.976FPS playback - a genuine issue for HTPC uses.
That's the one!
i dont see whats wrong with that? :confused:
illegal downloading tut tut
Intel GPU's don't support 23.976FPS playback - a genuine issue for HTPC uses.
:scratch
Were not in america though, we have 24p, 25p, 50i, 50p etc, america, not being true to 60hertz, everything derived from that, so 23.976p ( 24 * 29.97 / 30 ) etc....
CATTHEFIFTH
03-07-11, 23:02
SPCR think the GPU is approximate to a Radeon 5550: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1211-page8.html
The review uses 1333MHZ RAM.
Terbinator
03-07-11, 23:56
:scratch
Were not in america though, we have 24p, 25p, 50i, 50p etc, america, not being true to 60hertz, everything derived from that, so 23.976p ( 24 * 29.97 / 30 ) etc....
Your point being what, exactly? Given we're talking about HTPC and digital content that is, shall we say, 'location unaware', its still possible for 23.976 to be available in various territories yet derived from only one product.
By all means go and re-read over some of the Core iXxxx reviews and you'll find its a genuine issue and one that in a no iffs or butts way makes it second to AMD's offerings in the HTPC space.
Your point being what, exactly? Given we're talking about HTPC and digital content that is, shall we say, 'location unaware', its still possible for 23.976 to be available in various territories yet derived from only one product.
By all means go and re-read over some of the Core iXxxx reviews and you'll find its a genuine issue and one that in a no iffs or butts way makes it second to AMD's offerings in the HTPC space.
Well if the source if is from the UK, it'll be 24p, i.e. non issue, if you didn't source it from the uk, then it is questionable as to where you obtained the film from.
In this day and age, video is still 'location aware', television in america is and shall always be 60i, where as here, it's 50i.
Terbinator
04-07-11, 00:42
Well if the source if is from the UK, it'll be 24p, i.e. non issue, if you didn't source it from the uk, then it is questionable as to where you obtained the film from.
In this day and age, video is still 'location aware', television in america is and shall always be 60i, where as here, it's 50i.
Maybe, but that still leaves Intel's offering below that of AMD's.
May just get one for the hell of it see how it does, sell it in a week or so lol.
sweet prices more options for lowend builds for the family
When are these going to be instock?
When are you expecting the MSI A75MA-G55?
So are these competed with Intel Atom. I take it these dont come with cpu allready on the motherboard like Atom?
So are these competed with Intel Atom. I take it these dont come with cpu allready on the motherboard like Atom?
No mate that's what the AMD E350 is for, competing with the Atom.
These are a totally different league, basically an Athlon II CPU with a 5550 GPU strapped onto it, in 32nm. Means its cheaper to produce and so is a fantastic all in one solution for HTPC's etc.
Boomstick777
05-07-11, 14:22
Quite like the look of Llano, if I wasn't into gaming would def have Llano setup in my main rig, cheap way of having decent media PC, web browsing movies and basic games etc.
When Trinity launches next year, plan to build a small HTPC for the lounge, hopefully Trinity will be enough for decent gaming at 1080P aswell. I think AMD are doing well with Fusion, I wish they could compete with Intel at the top end aswell though, still waiting on Bulldozer...
When are you expecting the MSI A75MA-G55?
In stock =)
I thought Trinity is based on Bulldozer so should beat Llano easily?
I thought Trinity is based on Bulldozer so should beat Llano easily?
Correct. With a HD 7000 Series GPU.
I3R0K3N7FEET
05-07-11, 19:50
there are cheaper versions yet to come. which will be far better suited to the HTPC area.
Trinity will be at least 50% more powerful in the gpu and at least 50% more powerful in the cpu. so it will be a very interesting product
Boomstick777
05-07-11, 20:02
I thought Trinity is based on Bulldozer so should beat Llano easily?
Trinity sounds awesome, hoping to build a powerful little HTPC with it next year. Although by then games might be seriously demanding again, maybe we will laugh at what Trinity is capable of?
Surely the new Unreal engine is gonna take some serious power?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgS67BwPfFY&hd=1
They are going in the right direction though.
With Tegra 3 out in a few months and Tegra 4 next year (which will be better than a PS2 in graphics and mobile) things are getting exciting.
by 2020 no such thing as a desktop.
Boomstick777
05-07-11, 23:51
They are going in the right direction though.
With Tegra 3 out in a few months and Tegra 4 next year (which will be better than a PS2 in graphics and mobile) things are getting exciting.
by 2020 no such thing as a desktop.
I think there will always be some kind of desktop, customisable type PC where you can upgrade the parts like our current rigs.
I think the desktop may shrink and change format but it will never disappear, there is still a big demand for PC's and a big market in seperate components,
CPU's, GPU's Power Supply's, Memory etc, this market will not vanish by 2020, it may well change from what it is now though..
If they standardised what was in your computer it would be no different from other tech, like console's or ipad's. Yuk, PC will always be customisable in some way...
I3R0K3N7FEET
06-07-11, 00:01
shrinking may eventually happen when new materials are created to replace current ones.
i think many people forget about physical limitations.
there is only so many things you can fit and of what quality on a PCB.
Terbinator
06-07-11, 09:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgS67BwPfFY&hd=1
That was done on a GTX 580 SLI system AFAIK.
Boomstick777
06-07-11, 11:01
That was done on a GTX 580 SLI system AFAIK.
Yeah 3 x GTX 580 in 3 way Sli and apparently "even with the raw power that configuration affords, technological boundaries were still an issue" Source http://www.geforce.com/#/News/articles/epic-tim-sweeney-and-nvidia-talk-samaritan-and-the-future-of-graphics, thats a lot of power would cost over £1000 with the current cards, hopefully the next gen will bring the cost down considerably. I expect the HD 7950 to be as powerful as the GTX 580 at least and cost much less, then maybe the HD 7970 to be approaching HD 6990 levels...
Hopefully 2 x HD 7970 will be good for Unreal engine 3 :popcorn:
I3R0K3N7FEET
06-07-11, 15:29
Yeah 3 x GTX 580 in 3 way Sli and apparently "even with the raw power that configuration affords, technological boundaries were still an issue" Source http://www.geforce.com/#/News/articles/epic-tim-sweeney-and-nvidia-talk-samaritan-and-the-future-of-graphics, thats a lot of power would cost over £1000 with the current cards, hopefully the next gen will bring the cost down considerably. I expect the HD 7950 to be as powerful as the GTX 580 at least and cost much less, then maybe the HD 7970 to be approaching HD 6990 levels...
Hopefully 2 x HD 7970 will be good for Unreal engine 3 :popcorn:
i woujld expect the 7950 to be around 6990-gtx590 level.
i woujld expect the 7950 to be around 6990-gtx590 level.
:eek: If that's true depending on the price i will be upgrading :D
All speculation atm, no one knows if the 7870 will be the successor to the 6870 or the what?
I3R0K3N7FEET
06-07-11, 15:39
All speculation atm, no one knows if the 7870 will be the successor to the 6870 or the what?
speculation without axiam may be pointless but speculation on logic makes sense.
afaik the current naming scheme will stick. 7870 will replace 6870 and 7970 will replace 6970
28nm from 40nm results in more than double the transistors in the same area.
the new architecture will likely bring improvements all round too.
would it be silly to not expect current leading performance to be the standard to next gen performance?
Will be BD all over again, people creaming in their pants over something thats turned out to be meh.
But we'll see, as for improvements and performance increase, i hope so as a 5850 is as good as a 6870 except for tessellation which is about as useful atm as physx.
Boomstick777
06-07-11, 15:54
i woujld expect the 7950 to be around 6990-gtx590 level.
I imagine they will still want to drip feed us performance, rather than give us immense performance at a lower price, they will probably drag it out for a refresh. They prorbably have the potential to make a HD 7950 @ HD 6990 levels but why do that when they can drag it out over another year and make more sales.
Imo the HD 7950 will be around GTX 580 and HD 7970 around HD 6990, but not faster on a par with it, Otherwise they cannablise the 6 series sales aswell, if the HD 7950 could outperform the HD 6990 than the entire previous gen would de-value itself to much, they wont want to do that, as they will still be selling 6 series stock when the 7 series arrives..
Maybe we should post about GPU's in the 7 series thread, kind of skewed this one now.
Boomstick777
07-07-11, 01:01
Maybe we should post about GPU's in the 7 series thread, kind of skewed this one now.
lol, back on topic.. Llano looks pretty impressive to me, Trinity will be even more so. Am def building a HTPC with Trinity if it can do well in gaming at 1080P will be ideal for the lounge..
Surely these need to be cheaper to make any impact. Basic H61 + Sandy Pentium + ATI 6770 is about the same as the 3850 and a cheap mobo for a budget gamer wanting an upgrade path. If you are looking for processor performance then clearly an i5 and using the onboard with that will be a winner.
With 30% or so off the price then it starts to make real sense as you are into the sort of money for Intel Core2 based chips which are a closer comparison, but you get all the benefits of newer feature sets, lower power use O/A, etc.
I3R0K3N7FEET
08-07-11, 00:44
there are more llano chips due out from the A4 and A6 series and hopefully cheaper boards too. the released chip are the high end llano.
there are more llano chips due out from the A4 and A6 series and hopefully cheaper boards too. the released chip are the high end llano.
Is the low end then going to be capable enough to be worthwhile? The current offerings seem on the money as a decent performance increase for people with a 4-5 year old system (early dual cores / AMD64). It will need to be at the current Sempron + 760G type prices to cause much of a stir.
I3R0K3N7FEET
08-07-11, 22:26
the low end items should be better than the current offerings at a similar price point. would be pretty pointless otherwise
Just ordered the A8-3850 and Gigabyte A75M-UD2H for a little test run as im board.
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