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Ice Tea
14-04-11, 07:13
Fujitsu promises rural UK 1Gbit/s - if it gets 'fair deal' from BT

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/13/fujitsu_fibre_plan_bt_poles_ducts_prices/

Fujitsu is planning a joint venture with Virgin Media, TalkTalk and Cisco to roll out 1Gbit/s fibre technology to five million homes in the UK, but the project hinges on BT's Openreach division providing access to its underground ducts and telegraph poles.

“The plans rely on the remedy imposed by the regulator Ofcom, on BT Openreach, to provide access to its underground ducts and telegraph poles on fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory terms,” said Fujitsu.

In March 2010 telecoms regulator Ofcom ordered BT to share access to some of its infrastructure with competitors who want to build their own faster broadband network.

The Ofcom ruling meant Sky, TalkTalk and other big rivals could cheaply deploy their own fibre optics between local exchanges and premises, paving the way for more intense competition.

However, BT has recently come under fire from other ISPs for jacking up access prices.

BT, which has divvied up £2.5bn to deliver its own fibre broadband network to two-thirds of UK premises by the end of 2015, will finalise its ducts and telegraph poles pricing structure for other ISPs in the summer. But Ofcom could yet be asked to step in and regulate the process if the company’s rivals aren’t satisfied with the figures.

The telecoms giant today questioned Fujitsu's plans. BT told The Register that it was unclear from Fujitsu's announcement how much private investment the joint venture would pump into the project.

"It is important that the companies concerned make it clear that they are willing to invest material sums rather than just spend public money in what could be a multi-billion [pound] project," said BT.

"BT's network is open to others on an equal and non-discriminatory basis and whilst it is encouraging that Fujitsu and the other companies are making welcome pledges, they do need to be clear that this will be on an open, equal access basis as BT has committed.

"We do look forward to Virgin confirming that they will open their infrastructure to enable all companies to have the opportunity to invest in a new fibre future."

In December last year, culture secretary Jeremy Hunt confirmed that the Coalition had set aside £530m for its Broadband Delivery UK (BDUK) policy-steering group, which states that "government policy is that the first step to the best superfast network in Europe is to make regulatory changes that will bring down the cost of rollout".

Fujitsu, meanwhile, said it was effectively targeting rural areas in the UK where BT engineers won’t be laying fibre.

“The proposals will provide future-proofed connectivity to five million households and beyond that would otherwise be unlikely to benefit from commercial investment in next generation digital networks,” it said.

Fujitsu added that it planned to offer the “vast majority of areas” fibre optic cabling that runs directly to the home, rather than to the local cabinet. Unsurprisingly, it didn’t break down the numbers of how many people would benefit from fibre-to-the-premises on its network.

The network will be opened up on a wholesale basis to all ISPs, said Fujitsu, with Virgin Media and TalkTalk already on board.

“If done correctly this can be a key vehicle to accelerate recovery in the UK and bring genuine choice to generations of communities starved of participating fully in the UK economy,” said Fujitsu’s UK and Ireland CEO Duncan Tait.

But the plans could prove to be expensive for the joint venture or, worse still, may even come unstuck if BT’s access prices remain too high for its competitors.

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StuartyB33
14-04-11, 10:08
Sounds good we need some private investment in our Networks over here to get up to par with the rest of the EU i mean look at sweden atm wish i had their network!!

Ice Tea
14-04-11, 10:22
Knowing Virgin they would start you off at 200mbs and take years to get up too 1Gbit/s because changing the settings of a docis config file seems like a lot of hard work for them.

alexnifty
14-04-11, 11:20
At the end of the day it's not down to BT it's down to the government. Left to it's own devices BT would just hold onto it's monopoly. Government needs to put more pressure on it via the watchdog to get it to open up it's network to other providers.

However it seems to me that Politicians and most civil servants don't seem to 'get' the internet. At least they don't seem to understand what it can do for an economy and a nation.

I think it's going to take another generation of politicians to come through before we see some real shifts of internet policies.

Ice Tea
14-04-11, 11:38
Fujitsu said it was "willing" to invest between £1.5bn to £2bn in the project, but at the same time is relying on government funds of around £500m. :surprised:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/14/fujitsu_uk_rural_broadband_funds/

StuartyB33
14-04-11, 12:52
At the end of the day it's not down to BT it's down to the government. Left to it's own devices BT would just hold onto it's monopoly. Government needs to put more pressure on it via the watchdog to get it to open up it's network to other providers.

However it seems to me that Politicians and most civil servants don't seem to 'get' the internet. At least they don't seem to understand what it can do for an economy and a nation.

I think it's going to take another generation of politicians to come through before we see some real shifts of internet policies.

yes BT were handed a monopoly but they have maintained the service since then invested in the wiring and the infrastructure, and are forced to sell their lines to Virgin, Sky and the likes at a rate below what they actually maintain the lines at.

So give them a bit of a break if they want to charge people now and again its been ofcom forcing BT to under price stuff for other companies that has slowed down us advancing in our networks

alexnifty
14-04-11, 13:03
So who's fault is it then if we're behind a lot of countries in terms of speed and coverage?

Well, as my post said. The recent governments just don't have it high up enough in their priority lists.

Krusty
14-04-11, 17:19
Been back on to Virgin today, trying to get connected and what a joke they are, both houses next door to mine have access, a mate two doors down had his 100mb connection installed had a word with the engineer who did his and confirmed my house is doable back to Virgin, nope showing not accessible.

This time however one of the store assistants was quite helpful so he's trying to track down a spotter who can actully confirm yes or no and get back to me, I won't hold my breath though.

So it looks like I'm with BT for some time longer, seems I can get that upgraded though from 3mb up to a massive 6mb! :eek:

No Infinity roll out plans for my exchange on the list either, so probably 2015 with any luck, so yeah great 1GB speeds that everyone else will get accept me! :cry

Edit: seems yon Virgin fella's done his bit, Virgin Engineers just been on phone and coming round now to sign me up, now do I have the 50mb or the 100mb...pewpew!

/cheer

Brutos
14-04-11, 20:53
Having being into networks all my working live i am ashamed of our network infrastructure .....we call ourselves a first world country yet have a third world countries infrastructure

StuartyB33
15-04-11, 10:00
Having being into networks all my working live i am ashamed of our network infrastructure .....we call ourselves a first world country yet have a third world countries infrastructure

i agree with this, it is shocking how bad our network is.

copper everywhere and even worse in some areas if the lines were only laid shortly after the war!!

im moving to sweden!!!

jammi
16-04-11, 02:12
yes BT were handed a monopoly but they have maintained the service since then invested in the wiring and the infrastructure, and are forced to sell their lines to Virgin, Sky and the likes at a rate below what they actually maintain the lines at.....

I thought virgin (well NTL, Telewest and cable/wileless) put down there own lines nothing to do with BT? I could be wrong.

iGoD ReLeNtLeS
16-04-11, 04:00
I thought virgin (well NTL, Telewest and cable/wileless) put down there own lines nothing to do with BT? I could be wrong.

Thats only VMs fibre network, VM also offer ADSL etc. :thumb:

Krusty
16-04-11, 10:12
Thats only VMs fibre network, VM also offer ADSL etc. :thumb:

Indeed (Nynex, Cable & Wireless, NTL, Virgin) have the rights to offer ADSL/2 over BT lines as I found out the other day, good job I decided to persist and get a fiber optic service!

Think we somewhat owe Nynex a thank you as if it was left to a British company we'd probably wouldn't even be this far along...

OT: 100 Posts!! :thumb: