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Hello all, my cosmos and mobo arrived today, and **** me its BIG! I could fit my other PC inside it, literally.
But anyway. First things first, i cant get the I/O panel in the back... do i just force it in or what?
And what do you recommend i do when installing the mobo?
Ok i got the I/O panel in, just needed a little force.
wonderlust
07-07-08, 12:07
And what do you recommend i do when installing the mobo?
remember to use standoffs... :D
Put the RAM and CPU in and the heatsink on before putting into case.
Put the RAM and CPU in and the heatsink on before putting into case.
Why's that?
1) it's a lot easier
2) easier to check that it's all in properly
3) reduces the risk of the board snapping when putting pressure on it.
wonderlust
07-07-08, 12:14
Put the RAM and CPU in and the heatsink on before putting into case.
+1 on that
Ahh... slight technical hitch... im ordering them today, and ive already installed the mobo... Trust me i wont break it
Put the RAM and CPU in and the heatsink on before putting into case.
Definitely another vote for that.. :)
edit: Just read your post saying you've already put the mobo in...
So what do i order next in you two opinion?
CPU, RAM, and Heatsink?
Just remember if you do you wont have a warranty... trust me it is soooo much easier just to unscrew it, take it out, put all the bits in, then put it back. I've managed to break a number of motherboard by putting the heatsink on so it does happen.
Just hope the cooler doesn't require the mobo to be removed to be fitted, as 99% of after market intel coolers seem to ;)
I agree, remove the motherboard. At first you might think you're saving time but after flexing your board repeated times, proceeding to build the rest of the system and find that your idle temps are 60c+ because you weren't able to visually inspect that all four pushpins are secured under the motherboard (it may click but it doesn't mean the plastic notch has gone through the holes and secured under the board), where you'll then have to wrestle inside your case once again wishing you just removed the board to start off with! :)
The LGA775 mounting mechanism is just stupid. Particularly with this one I recommend mounting the CPU and Heatsink outside the case.
wonderlust
07-07-08, 15:56
been there seen that done that.
I now ALWAYS remove the board.
PeterStoba
07-07-08, 16:14
Me too now after my first time, so hard
seeing as you have the mobo in use this time to plan and mark out where you will route your cables, then take it out to fit the cpu, ram and blower :)
Right, seeing as you all suggest so, tommorrow when my next order arrives i will take it out and put on the CPU, Heatsink and RAM.
Does anyone know if the Q6600 comes with thermal paste?
After my next order all i need to run it is the GPU!!!
If you ordered the retail version it will have some preapplied to the Heatsink
you want it out the case even more so if your using the stock blower as you want to check the underside of the board to make sure the push pins go all the way thru the board.
QuickShotProductions
07-07-08, 17:12
Thermal paste was on it already when I got q6600. I realised that when I had to take it off 100 times, because I couldnt put it in properly, since I had put the motherboard in the computer case before putting everything on it :p. DAMN, never again
you want it out the case even more so if your using the stock blower as you want to check the underside of the board to make sure the push pins go all the way thru the board.
Im gonna be using the Arctic Cooler 7 PRO, and the retail Q6600 so is there anything special i will have to do or not?
Also to everyone who knows... will i have to do any flashing to the BIOS on my board atall? Its a Asus P5E X38 Chipset (Skt 775) 1600FSB DDR2 PCI-E Crossfire (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/Socket+775+%28Intel%29/Asus+P5E+X38+Chipset+%28Skt+775%29+1600FSB+DDR2+PC I-E+Crossfire?productId=28816)
wonderlust
07-07-08, 17:35
I would doubt it the q6600 is getting old now in processor terms. The AC Freezer 7 comes with it's own T.I.M. which is as good as AS5 or even slightly better
No flashing at all. X38's should support G0 rev chips like the Q6600 straight out of the box :)
No flashing at all.
What he does in his own time is his business me thinks! :)
Do you people wreckon i should have got a different board?
wonderlust
07-07-08, 17:51
Well heres my 2p
from what i have read there is no real benefit of the X38 over the P35, and the same goes for the x48, the P45 hads the advantage of a new Southbridge but I don't know if there is even any benefit there
So which are supposed to be the best, in order please. and which you would say are the best, also in order :P
wonderlust
07-07-08, 18:02
from best to worst according to intel is x48, p45,x38,p35
Ok so these are the few items left to order, Would anyone change any of these or what?
52 in 1 Card Reader Black with USB (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Card+Readers/Internal+Card+Readers/52+in+1+Card+Reader+Black+with+USB+?productId=2490 2)
Saitek Eclipse 2 Illuminated Keyboard (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Keyboards/Saitek+Eclipse+2+Illuminated+Keyboard+?productId=2 5053)
Saitek Cyborg Gaming Mouse (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Mice/Saitek+Cyborg+Gaming+Mouse+?productId=29241)[/URL]
[URL="https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Displays/Monitors/TFT+24+%2B/24%22+LG+Widescreen+Full+HD+TFT+monitor.+?productI d=30289"]24" LG Widescreen Full HD TFT monitor. (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR2/DDR2+1000+%28PC8000%29/OCZ+4GB+PC2-8000+Platinum+XTC+%282x2GB%29+?productId=30158)
Nexus Real Silent 120mm Fan with PWM control (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/Case+Fans/120mm+Case+Fans/Nexus+Real+Silent+120mm+Fan+with+PWM+control+?prod uctId=30573)
1TB Samsung Spinpoint F1 SATA2 7200RPM 32MB cache (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Hard+Drives/Serial+ATA/1TB+Samsung+Spinpoint+F1+SATA2+7200RPM+32MB+cache+ ?productId=30998)
Asus ATi Radeon HD 4850 512MB PCI-E2.0 (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/PCI-E/ATI+Radeon+4000+Series/Asus+ATi+Radeon+HD+4850+512MB+PCI-E2.0+?productId=32374)
wonderlust
07-07-08, 19:23
And according to you?
The P35 is getting a little old, but is still a great performer and good boards can be had for a reasonable price. The disadvantage is the xfire is 16/4. The PCIE is not V2.x but this has yet to be proved as a necessity.
The P35 is getting a little old, but is still a great performer and good boards can be had for a reasonable price. The disadvantage is the xfire is 16/4. The PCIE is not V2.x but this has yet to be proved as a necessity.
The PCIE on mine is V2.x and has two 16x PCIE slots or is that not what you mean?
If he ever has any intention of crossfire, I'd say X38/X48 in an instant. £110 makes them at most, £20 more than a quality P45 board, offers more than enough overclockability, 16x/16x PCI-E 2.0 lane crossfire. If money allows I don't see why not.
wonderlust
07-07-08, 19:37
I can't argue on the x16+x16 having said that v2x8+v2x8 is supposed to have the same bandwidth as x16+x16. although v2x16+v2x16 is the best available there is not supposed to be a card that will use all v1 pcie bandwidth yet (similar situation to sata 300)
Ahh ok... fair enough.
Well when i receive the CPU, Heatsink, RAM, PSU and HDD tommorow i will post some picturesand you can tell me what wires are for what cos i havnt had a new pc in years and the last one i built had IDE cables and only one case fan so im a little stumped.
Cant wait to start gettin the next installation.
Ill keep you up to date, and ask for advice too :P
EDIT: Still have to get an OS
wonderlust
07-07-08, 19:51
get an ubuntu iso,
free and quick and fairly windows like,
i think you have picked a peach of a board, the only thought i would have with it is; what will the p45, with the same onboards, perform like? its intels swansong for this kind of tech before it follows amd in its design and as such it seems like the pinicle giving unmatched control with the amount of options in the bios.
get some tim cleaner (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/Accessories/Akasa+TIM+Clean+-+thermal+interface+cleaner+?productId=9954) to give the cpu a good clean before you fit it as they do come tainted when new, give a bit of a scrub with some wet then gradually dry cotton wool balls and you will see the dirt on the wool. it will give you the best contact with the f7pro, it should have mx-2 on it which is as good as it gets in terms of paste although i do think they use more than you really need.
i was being serious before about the cable management, the perfect time to do it is when you only have the bare min in the case.
What about some lime whipes? They clean almost anything... or will it just not do?
And yeah, as soon as i get my next parts tommorrow i will take out the mobo, sort out the cables to the best of my knowledge, (anything im not sure of ill do afterwards) and then install everything ive bought so far
Sorry i got a call and i pressed save so it didnt log me out again
wonderlust
07-07-08, 21:27
Are you going to use a floppy drive?
Not ordered one but i could i suppose, any reason why i should need one?
And will ubuntu be able to run everything windows can? And as fast?
PeterStoba
07-07-08, 21:49
Not everything, no games except a few
wonderlust
07-07-08, 21:49
Floppy, no need for one, assuming u have a usb key
Ubuntu will run windows apps to a fashion, but it comes with an open source office replacement and ubuntu is excellent for the money (ie it's free)
What would i need a USB key for? Do you mean an external USB floppy?
wonderlust
07-07-08, 22:21
either, used for bios flashing, xp sata/raid drivers
Hello all you forum junkies... im just sat waiting for my next order which should arrive today.
Does anyone recommend any specific tools for working inside my new PC?
wonderlust
08-07-08, 08:53
A non magnetic screwdriver, a torch, antistatic wrist strap
do i need the antistatic wrist strap or can i just touch a PSU or something???
Just dont shuffle your feet, wear manmade fabric and touch a radiator before you do anything, or just plug the psu in, then it will ground the system nicely when u do stuff.
Right im gonna leave it until my delivery arrives, then nip into town to get a wrist strap.
If my delivery gets here today. Its not once arrived when Ive asked for it.
AND I PAID FOR A WEEKEND DELIVERY THE LAST TIME!!!
Anyway... today its CPU, Heatsink, RAM, OS HDD, and PSU.
Any tips... apart from dont do what i did...
Ok so its arrived, i was gonna install the PSU and HDD first, then what should i do after? CPu, heatsink then RAM?
Help anyone? What should i place the mobo onto when stickin on the parts?
You don't need to shell out for a wriststrap, just do what I do sometimes; get a length of any old wire, tie one end around your wrist, and the other end to the radiatior.
Obviously strip off enough plastic sheath to make the metal touch your skin and the radiator.
As said before, you'll find it easier to fit the cpu and heatsink outside of the case. I also fit the RAM at this stage. Make sure to keep the mobo on its anti-static bag, this should help protect it from being put down on anything with static.
I'll forget something stupid in this list, I know it:
When it comes to what things to put in which order, everyone is different. But for me I put the PSU in first, then; optical drives, hard drives, mobo, connect front panel wires to mobo pins, soundcard (I connect front panel audio wires before putting it in), gpu.
Then after that its a big fight about where I'm going to route all the wires! Usually devolves into unplugging most things I just plugged in and then redoing it.
Which way should i face the arctic cooler? the fan facing forwards or backwards?
The fan should blow from front to back. So the fan should be before the heatsink looking from the front.
I've got mine facing so its blowing towards the back of the case. That way, the rear exhaust fan (if you have one) will draw the hot air out the back of the case..
Yeap thats how most people do it.
The alternative is blowing upwards if you have a top extractor fan and the PSU is at the bottom of the case, but even in that instance I think front to back is still best.
Yo people, Ive got everything plugged in. The CPU Heatsink would only fit in one direction...
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm449/DDevilMonkey_666/DSC00013.jpg
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm449/DDevilMonkey_666/Cosmos/DSC00013.jpg
Also i wondered how to plug in the main board power cable, i don't know if the PSU cable plugs straight into the board or do i need to plug the one that comes from the from of the case into the board and then the PSU cable into that one...
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm449/DDevilMonkey_666/DSC00019.jpgAnd do i need the P cables or are they for the GPU?
You really don't want the cpu cooler to be that way round. Whats stopping it facing the other way?
Not sure about that cable you have for the mobo, I shouldn't think you need it but it might be best to refer to your manual.
You really don't want the cpu cooler to be that way round. Whats stopping it facing the other way?
Not sure about that cable you have for the mobo, I shouldn't think you need it but it might be best to refer to your manual.
The fins on the main board around the CPU don't allow it to go any other way around. I know i don't want it that way round but its the only way it will fit
PeterStoba
08-07-08, 15:44
Thats an inbuilt 20-24pin adaptor i think
You want to fill the slot with it, so use the 24
If the cpu cooler wont fit the "proper" way round, or at least blowing the hot air upwards get another cooler as that way round it will be fighting against the rear case fan and be noisey as hell or worst case it will be starved of air and wont cool the cpu properly.
Google around to see if other people have done with that combo of cooler and mobo.
If the cpu cooler wont fit the "proper" way round, or at least blowing the hot air upwards get another cooler as that way round it will be fighting against the rear case fan and be noisey as hell or worst case it will be starved of air and wont cool the cpu properly.
Google around to see if other people have done with that combo of cooler and mobo.
I understand that... but luckily i noticed something, the plastic fan on the heatsink is adjustable in height, therefore moving it up one bracket enables it to fit properly... very barely i must say.
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm449/DDevilMonkey_666/Cosmos/DSC100003.jpg
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm449/DDevilMonkey_666/Cosmos/DSC100002.jpg
So anyway, i got the heatsink fitted correctly and then i made a start at tidying the cables around the back of the board...
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm449/DDevilMonkey_666/Cosmos/DSC100004.jpg
What do you all think so far???
Much better, the rest looks good too :)
PeterStoba
08-07-08, 18:09
What's the mobo? and did you bend the nb heatsink?
Nope i didn't bend anything, everything just fit in, only trouble i had was having to move the fan up the heatsink a little, it just clips off then clips back on.
There are a few wider slots on the heatsink to accommodate for the plastic bit on the bottom of the fan so all is good
I had to do the same on mine, my asus heatsink buggers about with my AC7 pro.
PeterStoba
08-07-08, 20:33
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm449/DDevilMonkey_666/DSC100002.jpg
Looked like you bent it, just shadows
i see it too pete, looks like the bottom fin is slightly bent y=to me moer than the nb hs tho :)
stanley knife an just cut away that bottom corner of the fan mount, easy fix, same with most of the newwer asus boards.
Nothing is bent atall, it just sits on top of the north bridge, barely touching.
Highlight what part of the picture is bent so i can see what you mean.
PeterStoba
09-07-08, 07:50
Right in the center
Nah its not bent, probably just looks that way...
This Friday or the next maybe, i will be ordering part 3 of the setup,
52 in 1 Card Reader Black with USB (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Card+Readers/Internal+Card+Readers/52+in+1+Card+Reader+Black+with+USB+?productId=2490 2)
Saitek Eclipse 2 Illuminated Keyboard (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Keyboards/Saitek+Eclipse+2+Illuminated+Keyboard+?productId=2 5053)
Saitek Cyborg Gaming Mouse (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Mice/Saitek+Cyborg+Gaming+Mouse+?productId=29241)
1TB Samsung Spinpoint F1 SATA2 7200RPM 32MB cache (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Hard+Drives/Serial+ATA/1TB+Samsung+Spinpoint+F1+SATA2+7200RPM+32MB+cache+ ?productId=30998)
Asus ATi Radeon HD 4850 512MB PCI-E2.0 (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/PCI-E/ATI+Radeon+4000+Series/Asus+ATi+Radeon+HD+4850+512MB+PCI-E2.0+?productId=32374)
Then after that all i need to do is save £600 approx. to buy the monitors
Woo Hoo!!!
So what do you all think so far?
Does anyone know where i can fins some nice big pictures of the ASUS ATI Radeon 4850 from a few angles?
wonderlust
09-07-08, 09:50
you may want to do a little research on the Asus 4850s
http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=433604#post433604
http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=433565#post433565
What are you trying to say? Its a **** card now is it?
wonderlust
09-07-08, 10:06
not all 4850s, it would appear that the Asus one has issues
oh i seeeee
So come on... best one?
wonderlust
09-07-08, 10:12
Well Aria only sell 2 others, and they are both based on the reference design,
A Gigabyte one and a Sapphire one.
I have a couple of saphire HD3650s and they seem ok,
How ****in confusing is this... I just want a good performing GPU up to £200 in price
Thank god for the word filter!
Another thing, the cosmos case im using as you may know has 4 fans as standard.
Does anyone know the best way to get the 4th one working as i only have enough plugs on the mobo for 3 pluss the CPU fan
I was thinking a fan controller, but aria dont sell them.
Any ideas?
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Cabling/Power/+3+PIN+FAN+TO+4+PIN+MOLEX+CONVERTER?productId=6600 use one of these so that the fan is powered by the psu
Cool!, luckily i have those, but will they plug into a modular psu? or will it need another adpater?
What's the mobo? and did you bend the nb heatsink?
Forgot to answer, the motherboard is a Asus P5E X38 Chipset (Skt 775) 1600FSB DDR2 PCI-E Crossfire (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/Socket+775+%28Intel%29/Asus+P5E+X38+Chipset+%28Skt+775%29+1600FSB+DDR2+PC I-E+Crossfire?productId=28816)
Jon will one of those plug into a modular power supply?
Should do, you may need to plug in a molex cable first though
Yeah thats what i thought, i didnt think of that when i was building it. Will have a look later when i finnish work
Cheers Jon
wonderlust
09-07-08, 15:11
you could always get one of these
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150265186871
Ebay is blocked at work...
What is it?
Fan controller? I was thinking of getting one
wonderlust
09-07-08, 15:15
its a cable that allows you to connect two fans to one motherboard header
Ahaa, i was thinking of something like that but i have the connections to just plug it into the PSU so im gonna do that anyway.
Plus its the big 20cm fan on the side
wonderlust
09-07-08, 15:19
Probably the better plan. You don't want too much draw through 1 fan header
Will the gell on the cpu be ok after i moved it a couple of times?
Anyone?
depending on how quickly you moved it after the first installation, if it was all done and moved right away then it should be ok. if you fitted it then changed it round after some time and the paste had started to harden you might need to refit it.
Well it was still slimy when i put it back on, and it wasnt on for long. I should be able to tell if it not ok if temps are high wont i?
wonderlust
09-07-08, 17:20
imho you should have no problems, they put so much of that on there imho too much.
yeah there was quite alot
Does anyone have any ideas for routing my cables any better, i cant see any changes that i can make but someone may see different
Any ideas?
PeterStoba
09-07-08, 19:40
Cable tie them all down
Good idea :|
No seriously, good idea, i was thinking of doing that too
run all the cables out and under the mobo tray thru the closest hole, so all the psu cables could be hid more, maybe do the same for your sata if they are llong enough.
cable tie the wires so the are lay flat with the case where they run along it so it stands out less and try to keep any excess cable out of sight.
black insulation tape is good to hide any multi coloured wires, or at least keep them all uniform.
edit
hey im a mentor cool :D
Just incase anyone was wondering why its taking sooo long for me to get my pc up and running, ive been on one holiday and spent 200 quid on leeds tickets (which was pretty bonk by the way)
Plus i moved into a new house 3 months ago and ive had loads of bills to pay and all sorts of ****, so far i have £400 saved up out of the £1024 i will need to buy the remaining parts
24"+ TFT Dead Pixel Check (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Displays/Monitors/TFT+24+%2B/24%22%2B+TFT+Dead+Pixel+Check?productId=21379)
Saitek Eclipse 2 Illuminated Keyboard (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Keyboards/Saitek+Eclipse+2+Illuminated+Keyboard+?productId=2 5053)
24" Hyundai W240D Professional LCD Monitor (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Displays/Monitors/TFT+24+%2B/24%22+Hyundai+W240D+Professional+LCD+Monitor+?prod uctId=28720)
Saitek Cyborg Gaming Mouse (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Mice/Saitek+Cyborg+Gaming+Mouse+?productId=29241)
Nexus Real Silent 120mm Fan with PWM control (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/Case+Fans/120mm+Case+Fans/Nexus+Real+Silent+120mm+Fan+with+PWM+control+?prod uctId=30573)
1TB Samsung Spinpoint F1 SATA2 7200RPM 32MB cache (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Hard+Drives/Serial+ATA/1TB+Samsung+Spinpoint+F1+SATA2+7200RPM+32MB+cache+ ?productId=30998)
Sapphire Radeon 4870 512MB PCI-E 2.0 (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/PCI-E/ATI+Radeon+4000+Series/Sapphire+Radeon+4870+512MB+PCI-E+2.0+?productId=32345)
I would make a build log but i only have to put in a hard drive and GPU, oh and a fan controller when i find one to my liking.
And i will post pictures in the show us your desktop thread :P
If i were to order the two screens would i need to order two 24" pixel checks?
And is it worth ordering the pixel checks?
If i were to order the two screens would i need to order two 24" pixel checks?
And is it worth ordering the pixel checks?
I would have thought you'd have to pay for two. Its rare for screens to have dead pixels thesedays, although if you get one in the middle its DAM annoying.
wonderlust
07-09-08, 13:36
don't forget under the Distance selling location if you change your mind you can send it back...;)
What do you mean by that?
I would have thought you'd have to pay for two. Its rare for screens to have dead pixels thesedays, although if you get one in the middle its DAM annoying.
The screen i ordered for my mum had 1 dead pixel near the bottom, but it seems to have dissapeared now
*shrugs*
wonderlust
07-09-08, 14:44
What do you mean by that?
iirc It means that if it has a dead pixel you can say you're unhappy with it and send it back...
Good idea... do you think they will be ok with that?
Say i dont order a pixel check and it has dead pixels, i can say to them, its had a long distance to travel and must have got damaged on the way and i want it replacing cos im not happy
wonderlust
07-09-08, 18:05
try this
http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/cgi-bin/calitem.cgi?file=ADV0051-1111.txt
yup, you are quite within your rights to reject it under distance selling but its' got to be done within 7 days
What if i dont receive it in 7 days?
from the day you receive it
wonderlust
08-09-08, 09:27
it's seven days from receipt
Ok ive just looked inside my cosmos to find that on the mobo there is the 4 pin plug next to the cpu, and another 4 pin plug on the side of it, making it 8 pins, but 4 of them have a cap on them.
And on my PSU i have the two leads, one of which has 4 pins, and the other has 8.
Do i plug in the 8 pin or the 4 pin? And what will the difference be?
something to do with if only 4 are plugged in OCing stability will be compromised
Ok, understanable but blunt... :P
What difference would it make?
provides more power to the cpu
Sounds ok to me then, cables not quite long enough to route round the back though.
Ah well, ill just have to have it going over the gpu
round the back of mobo tray?! :O
Should be ordering it at the end of the week, fund dependant obviously :P
Trying to order all this...
Saitek Eclipse 2 Illuminated Keyboard (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Keyboards/Saitek+Eclipse+2+Illuminated+Keyboard+?productId=2 5053)
24" Hyundai W240D Professional LCD Monitor (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Displays/Monitors/TFT+24+%2B/24%22+Hyundai+W240D+Professional+LCD+Monitor+?prod uctId=28720)
Saitek Cyborg Gaming Mouse (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Mice/Saitek+Cyborg+Gaming+Mouse+?productId=29241)
5m Red Patch Lead UTP - RJ45 Cat6 Network cable (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Cabling/Network/5m+Red+Patch+Lead+UTP+-+RJ45+Cat6+Network+cable?productId=30683)
Sapphire Radeon 4870 512MB PCI-E 2.0 (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/PCI-E/ATI+Radeon+4000+Series/Sapphire+Radeon+4870+512MB+PCI-E+2.0+?productId=32345)
24"+ TFT Dead Pixel Check (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Displays/Monitors/TFT+24+%2B/24%22%2B+TFT+Dead+Pixel+Check?productId=21379)
Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit OEM (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Software/Operating+Systems/Microsoft+Windows+Vista+Ultimate+64bit+OEM+?produc tId=25913)
1TB Samsung Spinpoint F1 SATA2 7200RPM 32MB cache (https://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/1TB+Samsung+Spinpoint+F1+SATA2+7200RPM+32MB+cache+ ?productId=30998)
And it wont let me do a next day delivery... any reasons why?
Much appreciated
prob due to the dead pixel check which may delay shipping?
you going through google checkout or aria checkout? and are you on the FINAL checkout screen?
aria checkout, when i click confirm order it says denied or something along those lines
Cant im at work, ill try later on my break
Shopping Cart
Shopping Cart
|
Payment & Address
|
Delivery & Confirmation
|
Complete
|
Error: DECLINED Click here to go back (https://www.aria.co.uk/myAria/ShoppingCart?action=checkout&deliveryType=3&timePeriodType=0&cardID=310155&addressID=610517)
Thats all it says
Shopping Cart
Shopping Cart
|
Payment & Address
|
Delivery & Confirmation
|
Complete
|
Error: DECLINED Click here to go back (https://www.aria.co.uk/myAria/ShoppingCart?action=checkout&deliveryType=3&timePeriodType=0&cardID=310155&addressID=610517)
Thats all it says
Thats the bank declining it......
usuall reason is theres a pending security check to ensure its you thats using your card and not George from Nigeria ;)
phone the bank and tell them your trying to place a order with Aria and they'll clear it so should go through after 5mins of the phone call.
Ahh ok, thatll be because i just transferred it from the missus's account
*******s !!!
EDIT: Found out last night, i had just tried to order something extra and was £20 over what i had in the bank :P
IDIOT!!
Saitek Eclipse 2 Illuminated Keyboard (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Keyboards/Saitek+Eclipse+2+Illuminated+Keyboard+?productId=2 5053)
Hyundai W240D Professional LCD Monitor (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Displays/Monitors/TFT+24+%2B/24%22+Hyundai+W240D+Professional+LCD+Monitor+?prod uctId=28720)
Saitek Cyborg Gaming Mouse (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Mice/Saitek+Cyborg+Gaming+Mouse+?productId=29241)
5m Red Patch Lead UTP - RJ45 Cat6 Network cable (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Cabling/Network/5m+Red+Patch+Lead+UTP+-+RJ45+Cat6+Network+cable?productId=30683)
Sapphire Radeon 4870 512MB PCI-E 2.0 (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/PCI-E/ATI+Radeon+4000+Series/Sapphire+Radeon+4870+512MB+PCI-E+2.0+?productId=32345)
1TB Samsung Spinpoint F1 SATA2 7200RPM 32MB cache (https://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/1TB+Samsung+Spinpoint+F1+SATA2+7200RPM+32MB+cache+ ?productId=30998)
Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit OEM (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Software/Operating+Systems/Microsoft+Windows+Vista+Ultimate+64bit+OEM+?produc tId=25913)
So im about to order this now, and i wondered if anyone thought i should order anything else just in case.
I dunno.... anything that would be handy or useful in some way
Any ideas?
I'd see if you can change the red network cable for a yellow one. I hear the red ones are slower.. :D
Saitek Eclipse 2 Illuminated Keyboard (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Keyboards/Saitek+Eclipse+2+Illuminated+Keyboard+?productId=2 5053)
Hyundai W240D Professional LCD Monitor (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Displays/Monitors/TFT+24+%2B/24%22+Hyundai+W240D+Professional+LCD+Monitor+?prod uctId=28720) Saitek Cyborg Gaming Mouse (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Mice/Saitek+Cyborg+Gaming+Mouse+?productId=29241) 5m Red Patch Lead UTP - RJ45 Cat6 Network cable (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Cabling/Network/5m+Red+Patch+Lead+UTP+-+RJ45+Cat6+Network+cable?productId=30683)Sapphire Radeon 4870 512MB PCI-E 2.0 (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/PCI-E/ATI+Radeon+4000+Series/Sapphire+Radeon+4870+512MB+PCI-E+2.0+?productId=32345)
1TB Samsung Spinpoint F1 SATA2 7200RPM 32MB cache (https://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/1TB+Samsung+Spinpoint+F1+SATA2+7200RPM+32MB+cache+ ?productId=30998) Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit OEM (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Software/Operating+Systems/Microsoft+Windows+Vista+Ultimate+64bit+OEM+?produc tId=25913)
So im about to order this now, and i wondered if anyone thought i should order anything else just in case.
I dunno.... anything that would be handy or useful in some way
Any ideas?
how about >>>>
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Network+Products/Wired/Network+Cards/TP-Link+10%2F100%2F1000Mbps+Gigabit+PCI+Network+Card+ ?productId=28145
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Gadgets/Audio+and+Entertainment/Portable+Piggy+FM+Radio+%26+Travel+Speaker+?produc tId=26503
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Gadgets/Life+style/Handy+Mandy%21+Electric+Multi-Tool%2FDrill+set++-+Purple+?productId=27584
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Mice/Zignum+Professonal+Pink+Optical+Mouse+?productId=3 1255
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Electronics/Mp3+%26+Mpeg4+Player/Creative+Zen+Stone+2Gb+Pink+inc+Speaker?productId= 32225
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Gadgets/Life+style/Hip+Chick+Hip+Flask+%282.5oz%29?productId=32603
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Laptops/Bag+and+carry+case/Pink+Laptop+Bag?productId=33411
:p
I'd see if you can change the red network cable for a yellow one. I hear the red ones are slower.. :D
*coffee all over the keyboard* :lol::lol::lol:
good work there coiler... more margin for us
wonderlust
03-10-08, 11:44
I would look for a PCI-E gigabit nic, or you could end up saturating the PCI bus
also this
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Peripherals/Mice/Accessories/Steel+Series+SteelGear+Gaming+Glove?productId=2667 3
can you get that in the same colour as the other bits though coiler ;)
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/outofcloset.gif
I see theres been some discussion while ive been away.
You lot are crazy... do you think im made of money??? :P
And if you were serious about the network card then your a foool!!!
Seriously though, would anyone recommend anything else??
Do you think these Nexus Silicone Anti-Vibration Case Fan Mounts (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/Accessories/Nexus+Silicone+Anti-Vibration+Case+Fan+Mounts+?productId=28879) are worth it?
i've never had fan vibration problems using screws tbh
Should i get a pixel check then? Any ideas? Im not sure if its worth it, plus after having the conversation with wonderlust the other day.
If it has 1 dead pixel will i be able to send it back?
you can but then you'll have the hassle of unpacking it, testing it, packing it, posting it, waiting... waiting.... waiting etc etc
Should i get a pixel check then? Any ideas? Im not sure if its worth it, plus after having the conversation with wonderlust the other day.
If it has 1 dead pixel will i be able to send it back?
No but if it turns up with a yellow dot sticker on it send it back before unpacking it ;)
No but if it turns up with a yellow dot sticker on it send it back before unpacking it ;)
:O :redface: 8)
What do you mean a yellow dot sticker?
havent seen any monitors will yellow dots in the warehouse :P
wonderlust
03-10-08, 15:20
I would read it that yellow dots are placed on screens that have already been tested as having dead pixels.
i'm saying nothing. :redface:
Anyway, it should be arriving soon i hope... how do i find out where it is again?
What do you mean?
I don't think he means it like that! LOL http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/outofcloset.gif
Arrived earlier apparently, not home yet so cant wait.
Will be posting picture of the "long overdue final build"
And if there are any yellow dots... welll i hate to think :P
and hopefully city link delivered them all safely and not in pieces
Exactly...!
Theyll probably all be open and covered in dribble...
Have you seen the city link courier drivers? They all look like special kids
Ok... its all plugged in and ready to install vista.
Started the installation, working fine, restarts anc omes up with error screen saying
"The computer restarted unexpectedly or encountered an unexpected error. Windows installation cannot proceed. To install windows click ok to restart the computer, and then restart the installation"
What do i do now?
Thanks in advance people
Check the bios settings for memory and input settings as per manufacturers website particularly the voltage.
1000MHz DDR2 http://www.ocztechnology.com/i/3d.gifCL 5-5-5-18
(CAS-TRCD-TRP-TRAS)
Available in 2GB modules
Unbuffered
Platinum Mirrored XTC Heatspreader*
Lifetime Warranty
2.1 Volts
240 Pin DIMM
Ohh handy...
Tuning on Asus P35, X38 and X48 boards (http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34650) :P X38 please
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34650
I would be able to understand this article but it read like it was written by an invalid?
Any ideas what i should change?
Last night i did try installing againn and a message displayed saying
"Windows cannot install the required files. The file may be corrupt or missing, Make sure all files required are available, and restart the installation
Error Code: 0x80070570"
Any ideas?
Also when it boots up "t says "no any drives found"
wonderlust
08-10-08, 08:13
have you still got xp on the pc maybe on another drive?
If so run cpu-z check out the spd timings and voltage and set in the bios accordingly.
If not try running memtest, It could give an idea of possible faults.
as for not finding the drives have you tried a different sata cable?
if all that fails try a cmos reset
First time install, never had anything installed on it.
All ive done apart from physically build it is try install vista twice, to no avail.
And then set the ram timings like it suggests on the site above, cant see where to change any voltages
wonderlust
08-10-08, 08:19
what model is the mobo?
asus p5e x38
Asus P5E X38 Chipset (Skt 775) 1600FSB DDR2 PCI-E Crossfire (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products?search=MB7-ASU-P5EX38)
That one to be precise
wonderlust
08-10-08, 08:26
did you rtfm?
Page 4-21 of the manual...
Memory voltage will be there somewhere, usually in a seperate menu from timings its normally with the cpu voltages etc.
did you rtfm?
Page 4-21 of the manual...
Yeah i read the manual. I always do, im a bit of a freak like that.
Ok i found something that says "DRAM voltage" and you just press +/- to change the value and it goes up at 0.2 at a time
Oh and when its on two or higher it turns yellow, anything from 1.98 and lower is blue
wonderlust
08-10-08, 08:39
yeah, my neo2 turns red from 2.1v it's a way to warn you that the voltage is high, your modules are rated at 2.1v so it shouldn't (won't) be an issue
i cant set it to 2.1, only lets me put it at 2.2 or 2.0
Shall i just change it too 2.0?
wonderlust
08-10-08, 08:49
you may find 2.0v is enough my patriot runs ok at 2.0v it's rated at 2.2v
Ok anything else you think i should check?
wonderlust
08-10-08, 08:58
what mode is the Sata controller in? IDE/Raid/AHCI?
I run my ICH9R in AHCI mode
Ive just set it to AHCI, is it important what Hard Disk it is?
wonderlust
08-10-08, 09:04
no, iirc AHCI gives you things like hot plugging and NCQ
Ahh i see, thats cool.
OK what next people
And by the way thanks alot for the help
wonderlust
08-10-08, 09:11
give vista another go...
okey dokey matey blokey flip flop jockey strap piano tuner
Does the vista installation have any sound on it atall?
BSOD dumping physical memory
Got to completing installation, about to restart then the blue screen
download it on another pc, burn it to cd, and bung it in
what and just boot from cd?
wonderlust
08-10-08, 10:53
if you have an ubuntu distro it's on there too
ok its running memtest and it says
pass 4%
test 90%
What should i be looking for?
wonderlust
08-10-08, 11:21
you need to run for a couple fo hours ideally any errors = bad
Will i have to return them if it comes up with any errors?
its on pass 39%
And if it doesnt have any errors what else do you think could be causing windows to not install?
Cheers for all your help
If it comes up with any errors it could be a timing/voltage issue or could just be bad ram
Well ive set the timing accordingly
And the voltage is at 2.0 instead of 2.1
One thing ive noticed, when you press "del" to get into the bios the hdd displays ok and the same for when you install or try to install vista, but when its loading at the begining and it checks for hdd's it says none found and continues anyway
Also... the ram on memtest says 401mhz (ddr802) , thats correct isnt it?
Test 6
Pass 1
Failing address 00030264c4 - 2096.3mb
good fffeffff
bad ffeeffff
err-bits 00100000
Count 1
Chan
****ed?
looks like it, out of interest try each stick separately, if you find that one stick is borked, you can try installing vista again to see if that is what is stopping it being installed.
If it installs, RMA the memory, and send it back as a complete set.
If it doesnt, there may be another problem
Cheers Jon
by the way, i am right in putting the ram sticks wher they are arent i?
I mean in the two yellow ones?
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm449/DDevilMonkey_666/Cosmos/DSC00013-1.jpg
Might not be, maybe try it at 2.2v?
Also there maybe another setting in bios to give it a "half" tweek ie 0.1v or a percentage.
when i turn it on it says
detecting drives done, no any drives found
and ram 2048 ok
And on the site it states the ram runs at 2.01
Hold on a minute, im being a ****in idiot
On the site it says it runs at 2.1
DOH!!
Do you think thats whats caused it?
Amaising screen by the way :P
GOnna have to write a review when its all up and running
If there are ever any more competitions again
Try resetting your BIOS to defaults and see if it still comes up with errors on memtest
Well i start work at half 2 so im gonna try installing vista now
Just got one stick of ram in set properly this time, just gonna see if it works, if it doesnt ill either be trying again tommorrow or friday.
And i reset the bios everytime before i make changes just to make sure
I have the whole of friday off so i wont be rushing so much
And thanks alot everyone, so far youve been very helpful as always
no probs, hope it get sorted easily
Tell me about it
Only cost around £1300
:|
That all? I built mine for around £250 :)
Completing installation,
This is were it shuts down unexpectedly
sounds like it is the memory causing the problem
wonderlust
08-10-08, 13:28
is the ram on Asus approved list?
Two seconds and well knwo if its any better with one in
I think so
Ok its installed, typed my name and login and chose automatic updates for now
Lets see how it goes
Do you reckon it would be worth trying the other stick of ram in now that ive set up the voltage correctly?
wonderlust
08-10-08, 13:44
hang on, is this vista 64?
Ofcourse it is fool! :P
GOnna try the second stick of ram when i got home after work at 11, The missus will be annoyed but i will be overjoyed
^^ see what I did there?
wonderlust
08-10-08, 16:12
known issue with vista 64! I had slipped my mind before!
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=34&threadid=2051424&enterthread=y
Ahh i seee... i will stick the extra stick in later and see if i need to update.
Although i think it may have been that i set the voltage to 2.01 instead of 2.1
Easily done... just too eager to get it done
Ill let you know how it goes
known issue with vista 64! I had slipped my mind before!
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=34&threadid=2051424&enterthread=y
But that doesnt explain why it failed memtest. Thats nothing to do with vista.
wonderlust
08-10-08, 16:49
see above about memory voltage ;)
Ok so im all up and running, the only difficulty i have is that i cant get the second stick of RAM to work
Where can i downlaod this update and should i update ati drivers from windows update or should i juct continue to open up the catalyst control center and upload from the official site?
And i need some software to check stability of all the components, any ideas for that would be greatly appreciated
Thanks for the help so far people
And yes.... its ten minutes to 3 :P
wonderlust
09-10-08, 08:43
Prime95 mod 255 will run all 4 cores at 100%
took me 5 seconds to find it.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=91672C7C-614B-404C-850C-377541E93C18&displaylang=en
Prime95 mod 255 will run all 4 cores at 100%
Cheers wonderlust, anything that will test for errors and stability or are those both ok?
took me 5 seconds to find it.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=91672C7C-614B-404C-850C-377541E93C18&displaylang=en
Arent you special, i hadnt even looked.
wonderlust
09-10-08, 09:00
prime95 mod255 is one product :D
ahhh, ha
Cheers wonderlust, so what should i be looking for and how long do you recommend i run it for?
wonderlust
09-10-08, 09:03
12 hours should be plenty.
It will give you an option that will give the most heat too, so can test the efficincy of your heatsink
i seee...
Any software you would recommend for testing other hardware?
Slowly gettin used to vista by the way, first one ive owned
Oh yeah i need drivers for an SMB Bus Controller
Think it may be the sockets on the top of my case
wonderlust
09-10-08, 09:11
I use HWmonitor from the CPU-Z site to keep an eye on most system temps.
GPU-Z for graphics card temps etc.
you could use something like 3dmark 2006 on a loop to stress the graphics card.
Tried installing that update by the way, and it says it doesnt apply to my system
Surely the RAM is faulty then?
try this
http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=2865077&SiteID=17
I did, what are you trying to tell me?
Anyway..... I uninstalled ati drivers and CCC, and now i cant install the latest updates?
How do i get round that one?
I use Orthos (http://sp2004.fre3.com/)which is a nicer GUI verson of prime95.
Gives you more clarity on how long the test has been running and its easy to see when you get an error (big red flashy lights of fail!).
I like to use Rivatuner to monitor my GPU temps, but I only use that when I am stressing it with the ATI Tool artifact test and increasing my GPU overclock with Rivatuner (which I LOVE).
Any idea how i can get my gpu updated?
Wont let me install the updates now
Ok... i download the update from the website for vista 64bit, start to install it and it fails
Have you rightclicked it and selected 'run as administrator'?
(welcome to vista hell...)
Well no, cos i had already installed from the website and it worked,
restarted and it said that the hardware driver does not match the CCC version. Please change display adapter or update drivers.
Tried again, still the same thing
Uninstalled everything
Tried reinstalling, error
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