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*** RANT ON ***
Although I don't condone what Rooney has done I fear there is a witchunt at the FA against everything UTD for the second season running. Yes Rooney should not have sworn after that goal but lets be honest here 95% of all those watching have heard that or worsde either in movies or in the street. A lot of them would have heard that at home. The FA need to get real. Fergie got a 5 game touchline ban the other week for whinging about Atkinson. Wenger got away with similar remarks. Its as if the FA are punishing UTD foor fear of them overtaking Liverpools long standing league record and Rooney for his abysmal World Cup.
Get off your high horses FA will be watching MOTD just to see who else gets away with swearing on the pitch this weekend.
*** RANT OVER ***
It's Rooney, he's used to getting charged by senior citizens for talking dirty.
Rooney is in the wrong sport :thumb:
He's pond life scum, just a chav with money, he's vile, he thinks he can do what he wants when he wants.
watercooled
05-04-11, 09:18
should be banned for life
just a horrible fat chav
I wouldnt go that far to be honest he's being vilified because of the club hes at nothing more. For years the FA have tried to topple Utd. You've only gotta look at Clatterburg and Atkinson to see this. These to idiots should not be officiating due to bias.
The above might be true, but he's still a lowlife who pays for geriatric hookers and sleeps around while his wife's pregnant with his child. Just saying.
Yeah hes done bad things in his life......
but who hasnt, maybe not to the same extent.
Yeah, I guess it's all fine because he's very good at kicking a leather ball around on a field with a bunch of other overpaid whiny primadonnas.
:P
Oh dear... don't get me started on this one.. ;)
Yeah, I guess it's all fine because he's very good at kicking a leather ball around on a field with a bunch of other overpaid whiny primadonnas.
:P
No, its not fine, but by the same token, If it was Joe Bloggs from the factory down the street (if there were any left) no one would give a rats ***.
He's paid what clubs are prepared to pay for him, I'm damn sure I wouldnt turn it down.
Theres a lot worse behaviour, and individuals in football.
As for the Fergie ban - Until refs are made to interview after a game, and review their decisions in public, then a manager should be able to say what the hell they like (within reason), managers are forced to interview on SKY, so why arent the refs?
A lot of the comments from managers would stop if during the refs interview, when shown an incident he explained his thinking at the time, and if he still stood by that decision.
Banned for life? Oh dear, he swore, he has been banned and now that the FA are enforcing this we can look forward to games ending with 7 players each.
And the FA have been trying to topple Utd? A few poor decisions and the Fa are against them? Not really its just being bad loser.
ArthurHucksake
05-04-11, 10:12
Witch hunt against United? Are you having a laugh?
United have Howard Webb, Clattenberg and Mason in their pocket. Institutional bias if i've ever seen it.
Howard Webb was sat in the United end of the crowd at White Hart Lane, what does that tell you?
Rooney should have been given a ten game ban for elbowing that Wigan player, Gattuso got a 5 game ban in Europe and he hardly touched anyone physically.
Rooney is the biggest scumbag in English football, shouldn't be allowed near the national side again.
Why do Man Utd fans think the world is against them? I've lost count of the number of decisions that have gone their way this season but one wrong decision against Chelsea and Fergie's ban and suddenly everyone is out to get them! Fergie already had a suspended ban hanging over him and he went and did the same thing again which is why it was increased to 5 games. Also, Drogba had a 2 match ban for swearing at the camera after the Barcelona game so why should Rooney be treated any different? The whole team and the manager are just a bunch of spoilt overpaid cry babies...
Why do Man Utd fans think the world is against them? I've lost count of the number of decisions that have gone their way this season but one wrong decision against Chelsea and Fergie's ban and suddenly everyone is out to get them! Fergie already had a suspended ban hanging over him and he went and did the same thing again which is why it was increased to 5 games. Also, Drogba had a 2 match ban for swearing at the camera after the Barcelona game so why should Rooney be treated any different? The whole team and the manager are just a bunch of spoilt overpaid cry babies...
Just to clarify, I support Darlington - however, it may be because people constantly tell them how many decisions go their way, like they are keeping score.
As per my last post though ref Fergie - listen to Harry Redknapp speak about the same thing - If they insist on interviews, and expect the truth from a direct question, then dont be shocked when you dont like the answer, especially when its less than 30 minutes after the game.
The refs giving interviews would be stupid, the refs need more protection but the FA haven't got the balls, simple rules crowd the ref=red card, swear at ref=red card, watch at how many do it after a few games but the FA lack the balls.
The refs giving interviews would be stupid, the refs need more protection but the FA haven't got the balls, simple rules crowd the ref=red card, swear at ref=red card, watch at how many do it after a few games but the FA lack the balls.
I agree, but the refs have the power to send people off for that anyway, its not the FA - the refs dont do it.
As for interviews, the refs shouldnt be protected from standing up and explaining their decisions, as long as they are explaining their decisions then there is more liklihood of less provocative interviews by players and manager about the refs performance.
As for the crowding of the ref, and similar actions, including telling the ref to book/send off a player - All the current premier league club chairmen have signed up to this, no details on how this will work as yet, but they are trying to do something about it - though the ref having the balls to send them off would probably help. TBPH If the refs booked/sent people off when they should in the first place, there wouldnt be a need for any Managers/Players to sign up to a charter!!
The refs need to be accountable.
Rooney should have been off at Wigan - Ref should explain why he wasnt
Luiz should have ben off against chelsea - Ref should explain why he wasnt.
Pen against Utd should not have been given - Ref should explain why it was.
Against Liverpool - Carragher should have been inprisioned let alone red carded.
Maxi should also have gone just before lucas took avoiding action from rafael. Maxi could have snapped Rafaels leg before he reacted.
Refs should be held accountable as Respect is a two way thing. Utd fans can accept defeat. We lost three games this year but due to poor officiating against Liverpooland chelsea Again. again as a Utd fan I agreed wholeheartedly Rooney should have been banned so why cant the jealous fans of lower clubs accept the fact that the FA have a hidden agenda against Utd and that the Rooney incident to ban him for two games is very harsh.
Just to clarify, I support Darlington - however, it may be because people constantly tell them how many decisions go their way, like they are keeping score.
As per my last post though ref Fergie - listen to Harry Redknapp speak about the same thing - If they insist on interviews, and expect the truth from a direct question, then dont be shocked when you dont like the answer, especially when its less than 30 minutes after the game.
Its not hard to keep track of how many decisions go their way really as they are the most televised team in the country and have the most time on MOTD usually. There have been a lot more gone in favour of them this season though than against them, anyone can see that.
As for the managers speaking the truth, I agree with you on that. The way Fergie does it though, you can clearly tell he is trying to intimidate them. By saying that he feared the worst when the he saw who was in charge of the Chelsea game he is putting pressure on that ref next time he has to do a Man Utd game, which could end up in a big decision going for them when it shouldn't be.
And this is behaviour by what amounts to role models??
Ban for life, it won't take many for them to work out that they are setting a bad example.
if I caught any of my team using this language, I'd bring out the ban hammer
If Rooney should be banned for swearing, whats the appropriate action for shooting someone? Last I looked it was a custodial sentence. Was there any action from the FA? I dont recall people calling for his head. i wonder what would have happened if he was a Utd player.
As already been said ref's do need to be accountable and an interview after the game would help to clear some of the issues while they are locked in the refs room after the game and not allowed to talk to tv/press things will only get worse.
Howard Webb in the Utd end at WHL? How did he get a ticket????
Rooney to not play for the England ? Who going to take his place ? Andy Carroll?
If Rooney should be banned for swearing, whats the appropriate action for shooting someone? Last I looked it was a custodial sentence. Was there any action from the FA? I dont recall people calling for his head. i wonder what would have happened if he was a Utd player.
Someone got shot by a player on a football pitch? O.o
When did that happen?
Edit: NVM, googled it. Didn't happen during a match or on the pitch though, so I'd have said that was a criminal matter if anything, not really anything to do with the FA.
If Rooney should be banned for swearing, whats the appropriate action for shooting someone? Last I looked it was a custodial sentence. Was there any action from the FA? I dont recall people calling for his head. i wonder what would have happened if he was a Utd player.
Its probably up to Chelsea to deal with that internally unless it was reported to the police though I would think. He wouldn't have gone down for shooting someone with an air rifle, probably a fine or something like that.
The refs need to be accountable for what? There all going to make mistakes there human? What you going to do suspend them after a dodgy verdict, you'd have no refs, refs get no protection as it is let alone giving interviews.
Ha just as Rooney is playing awesome, i suspect the 2 game ban might reflect the "elbow" incident, although they cannot say that.
He'll be back for May when you play Arsenal and Chelsea in the league which are the only two games that matter for you anyway, as Chelsea will destroy you in the Champions League.
Being in Europe we will get an impartial ref as Martin Atkinson cannot take charge.
As for refs getting no protection I think Atkinson has had plenty with regards to giving chelsea victory
If Rooney should be banned for swearing, whats the appropriate action for shooting someone? Last I looked it was a custodial sentence. Was there any action from the FA? I dont recall people calling for his head. i wonder what would have happened if he was a Utd player.
That's a fair point, though I'm not sure why the police didn't take action either.
These guys get paid to play football, they don't get paid to be a role model - as I said, there are a lot worse than Rooney, and there are a lot better.
Police didnt take action as Chelsea's owner just happens to have £8 billion quid lying in his bank accounts. Same reason the FA didnt act.
The refs need to be accountable for what? There all going to make mistakes there human? What you going to do suspend them after a dodgy verdict, you'd have no refs, refs get no protection as it is let alone giving interviews.
The refs need to admit they made a mistake, or give a reason why they gave/didn't give things.
I'm not saying they need suspending, but if you are expecting truthful answers from managers, then lets face it, if the ref has had a shocker, then why the hell shouldn't they say so.
TBH, I would just stop after match interviews, because all the press want is for the player/manager to have a pop at the ref.
Police didnt take action as Chelsea's owner just happens to have £8 billion quid lying in his bank accounts. Same reason the FA didnt act.
Same reason why lots of people don't go to jail as they are rich.
The refs need to admit they made a mistake, or give a reason why they gave/didn't give things.
I'm not saying they need suspending, but if you are expecting truthful answers from managers, then lets face it, if the ref has had a shocker, then why the hell shouldn't they say so.
TBH, I would just stop after match interviews, because all the press want is for the player/manager to have a pop at the ref.
And who gains by them admitting they made a mistake, no one pointless exercise.
Most of the times when managers have a go at the ref, it is to cover either their shortfalls or their teams, watch every time Fergie/Mourinho lose it's not their team selection or the players its the ref, its just a distraction technique and should be stopped
I think theres some very upset Man U fans.
Why us?
Oh won't someone please think of the childen.
Still you should be grateful, monkeys aren't normally allowed to play football.
If your team is penalised for things others are getting away with it is cause for upset. If a ref admits a mistake then they get punished as some, Utd, players do for their mistakes. Like I said respect is a two way thing. You cant expect respect if you dont show any by explaining the decisions. Managers wouldnt need to say things if refs are held accountable.
Look at Everton on weekend. Beckford scored a clear goal wasnt given and Villa score the other end was that fair???
I think rooney should just get a large fine. Like 500k to a charity that he can choose, but the FA would have to approve.
A massive fine would be more appropriate. If cole can get away with shooting someone this incident pales in comparison. Watch how many players swear at the officials on weekend and get away with it.
If your team is penalised for things others are getting away with it is cause for upset. If a ref admits a mistake then they get punished as some, Utd, players do for their mistakes. Like I said respect is a two way thing. You cant expect respect if you dont show any by explaining the decisions. Managers wouldnt need to say things if refs are held accountable.
Look at Everton on weekend. Beckford scored a clear goal wasnt given and Villa score the other end was that fair???
Hell accountable to what? What you going to do to them? They are held accountable but behind close doors where it should be.
Rooney's 2 match ban is equal to what Drogba got for the same thing so why all the fuss?
Rooneys incident should also be accountable behind closed doors?
A massive fine would be more appropriate. If cole can get away with shooting someone this incident pales in comparison. Watch how many players swear at the officials on weekend and get away with it.
Cole was off the field in a training complex its a very different matter.
Rooneys incident should also be accountable behind closed doors?
It has been the FA have given him a two games ban.
And who gains by them admitting they made a mistake, no one pointless exercise.
Most of the times when managers have a go at the ref, it is to cover either their shortfalls or their teams, watch every time Fergie/Mourinho lose it's not their team selection or the players its the ref, its just a distraction technique and should be stopped
Then, as I say stop the interviews - at the end of the day, if a ref makes a bad decision and basically has a post match interview where they explain decisions/apologise then it would go a long way to stopping the rants of managers - read ALL managers in that catagory, not just Fergie - as its hard to rant when you've just received a detailed explanation / or an apology.
Who gains, well I would say the referees gain, as people would have a lot more respect for them, and they would get less grief.
As it stands, they are given trial by TV, yet in essence they are saying we never get anything wrong, or if we do we dont care.
Maybe the premier league should hire their own refs, and force them to give interviews like they do the managers.
Thats public. The refs get nothing as its hidden away. So if Rooney did this away from the cameras then would it make it ok for him to have said it and for him to escape punishment??
A massive fine would be more appropriate. If cole can get away with shooting someone this incident pales in comparison. Watch how many players swear at the officials on weekend and get away with it.
Fines don't really do anything though, even a 500k one Rooney could get back in just 2 weeks or less.
A ban is what he should get as it was shocking to hear. I am a Man Utd fan myself, been one my whole life, but I would ban any player that swore at the camera, regardless of what team they played for.
If I had kids and when watching the match they heard that from their possible "hero" so to speak, then they would start saying that around schools and it could end up causing problems...
Just my 2 cents :closet
Agreed if the refs were interviewed then people would have more respect if they can justify their incompetence.
If I remember when Ferguson imposed a media blackout everyone called for his head to.
I agree he should have been banned if everyone who has sworn on the pitch before him also got banned but this is the first time this has ever happened and this is the concern of many Utd fans.
Agreed if the refs were interviewed then people would have more respect if they can justify their incompetence.
They don't need to justify to anyone but their employers.(The FA)
Hell accountable to what? What you going to do to them? They are held accountable but behind close doors where it should be.
No, actually thats not right, because it doesnt achieve anything constructive, without any openess it basically looks like refs can keep making mistakes, the only time its apparent that anything has been done is when they are no longer reffing premier league games.
Behind closed doors, is not giving a 2 game ban - Im not saying he shouldnt get it (he preobably should of)
But a ref gets punished for his mistakes privately, no one knows if they have or not, so basically theres always going to the question, 'how do we know that refs are held aco****able for their performances'?
Utd employ Rooney and they should act not the FA as Utd are Rooneys employers?
Terbinator
05-04-11, 12:02
tl;dr:
You can't swear into the camera but you can shoot an intern at your training ground.
Utd employ Rooney and they should act not the FA as Utd are Rooneys employers?
Rooney plays in the Premer League which is regulated/governed by the FA so he is under Fa juardisction if he wishes to partcipate in the EPL.
tl;dr:
You can't swear into the camera but you can shoot an intern at your training ground.
Not really, it's just a question of who deals with it. The FA in the former case, the police in the latter.
No, actually thats not right, because it doesnt achieve anything constructive, without any openess it basically looks like refs can keep making mistakes, the only time its apparent that anything has been done is when they are no longer reffing premier league games.
Behind closed doors, is not giving a 2 game ban - Im not saying he shouldnt get it (he preobably should of)
But a ref gets punished for his mistakes privately, no one knows if they have or not, so basically theres always going to the question, 'how do we know that refs are held aco****able for their performances'?
So what do you want to do with refs then, get them on telly, rinse them silly, abuse them and that achieves what, how willhat makes things better, all that will help is we will have less refs, refs will refuse to work.
tl;dr:
You can't swear into the camera but you can shoot an intern at your training ground.
That's what annoys me. Also when Stuart Pearce scored that pen in 1996, I don't think his language was the cleanest. That was just passion though cos it was England
Its one rule for them and a different rule for Utd players. The FA were notified of the Cole incident and chose not to act. If shooting someone does not bring the game into disrepute and swearing does its sad. Swearing unfortunately is part of everyday life. It is shown in films, tv and in the streets be it in school or out and about.
Terbinator
05-04-11, 12:07
Not really, it's just a question of who deals with it. The FA in the former case, the police in the latter.
Think of the example setting mannn.
If he'd shot someone on TV, I suspect the FA might have got involved :P.
Its one rule for them and a different rule for Utd players. The FA were notified of the Cole incident and chose not to act. If shooting someone does not bring the game into disrepute and swearing does its sad. Swearing unfortunately is part of everyday life. It is shown in films, tv and in the streets be it in school or out and about.
Cole actions were on a field somewhere in London, theya re nothing to do with football and are a police matter, same if he mugged someone in the street. There is no revelance with Rooney's actions.
Also one rule for them and one rule for Man U, I reckon Man U get 70% of things in their favour most of the time due to being the big club in the league, Old Trafford, Fergie, how can you of all teams complaining about injustice, United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool etc get the rub of the green in the majority of cases compared to others.
One rule for United players and one rule for what? Puurlease, Skyfour have been getting away with murders for years!
Oh and really has he any excuses?, didn't he do the same thing with England not long back? not learning from his mistakes then?
Or like the time he came out with all that divings wrong and I never do it bit?...guy needs a serious reality check.
And yes I'm a blue of course but I'd still defend a player what ever club they played for if they were in the right, guy needs stop cutting out the **** and enjoy getting paid 200k+ for kicking a ball around, I even have to agree with Harry "twitcher" Redknapp on this, players like Rooney, Balotelli need to cheer the **** up and appreciate the opportunities they've been given.
:knock:
michaelkenward
05-04-11, 12:22
Oh dear... don't get me started on this one.. ;)
And where is Aria located?
We need a competition on staff attitudes to Rooney.
Maybe the guy just needs treatment for some sweary syndrome or another.
He's needs treatment for being pond life chav scum, the bloke is vile.
And where is Aria located?
We need a competition on staff attitudes to Rooney.
Maybe the guy just needs treatment for some sweary syndrome or another.
Manchester
No
and he does require a personality transplant
Manchester
No
and he does require a personality transplant
Mays well add a hair one too, I'd suggest his neck hair, there's plenty of it!
:P
Its a shame other fans cannot be objective in this matter. It boils down to team jealousy I guess. Utd fans are not complaining about the punishment lets get that straight. The complaints are that other teams players get away with more. Ashley cole, Luiz to name just two.
Its a shame other fans cannot be objective in this matter. It boils down to team jealousy I guess. Utd fans are not complaining about the punishment lets get that straight. The complaints are that other teams players get away with more. Ashley cole, Luiz to name just two.
What about the things that Utd have got away with this season?
@ Urko, But you just sound bitter.
Ashley Cole shot someone with an air rifle, if it didn't break the victims skin then it is just common assault and battery to which the Police can do nothing unless there is a complaint, i'm sure the victim was well compensated for his injury, so no complaint was forthcoming.
Not bitter Wayne just annoyed that others get away with worse and Utd always get punished.
But your not being objective now.
United always get penalties at old trafford , you always get nine years of extra time, Rooney assaulted that guy on the pitch and got away with it.
You always intimidate referees and get away with it.
You see its the same for any fan, very hard to remain objective.
Everyone gets away with things in football, other times you get punished, its FOOTBALL.
Why does every conversation with Man Utd fans end in exactly the same way? :rolleyes:
If you are going to moan about Luiz not being sent off then you should consider that Rooney should not have been playing in that game anyway after assualting the Wigan player
If you read further back I said Rooney should have been banned. Luiz did it twice in the same game and got away with it. I not gonna start regarding Carraghers assault on Nani. Yes we were outclassed by Liverpool but had Carragher rightfully been sent off it may have been different. No one has commented on these other occasions just rooney
because the thread is titled "Rooney"?
Rafael should have been off in that game too.
Neville should have been off against West Brom for bringing down the last man.
Blackpool were denied a clear penalty whilst 2-0 up
The penalty against West Ham should never have been given.
How the hell Vidic was still on the pitch at the end of that game baffles me?
All these are just in the last few weeks not including Rooney's elbow!
Rafael should have been off in that game too.
Neville should have been off against West Brom for bringing down the last man.
Blackpool were denied a clear penalty whilst 2-0 up
The penalty against West Ham should never have been given.
How the hell Vidic was still on the pitch at the end of that game baffles me?
All these are just in the last few weeks not including Rooney's elbow!
No such rule/law about last man any more (even if it was a rule in the first place).
And again further back I said Raf should have gone even though there was no contact between him and Lucas.
Vidic maybe should hav gone in the second half. Keeper had the ball therefore last man wouldnt have counted as he was never ever gonna get the ball.
This is such a lol thread.. A Man Utd fan complaining about bias.. just takes the biscuit..
No such rule/law about last man any more (even if it was a rule in the first place).
The West Brom player was clean through on goal though so it would have been a red card and a penalty
And again further back I said Raf should have gone even though there was no contact between him and Lucas.
Vidic maybe should hav gone in the second half. Keeper had the ball therefore last man wouldnt have counted as he was never ever gonna get the ball.
The ref was right in giving Vidic a yellow as the keeper would have got there first but he hacked down someone in the second half which if he wasn't already on a yellow would have been a card easily, but the ref gave nothing.
And again further back I said Raf should have gone even though there was no contact between him and Lucas.
Vidic maybe should hav gone in the second half. Keeper had the ball therefore last man wouldnt have counted as he was never ever gonna get the ball.
He should of gone in the first half, yellow for the pen, red for stopping a goal scoring chance, keeper is irrevelant, then the yellow in the second half.
Evra could of gone as well for stopping a goalscoring chance/last man/delibrate handball
And the last one wasn't a penalty
Keeper is relevant as its only a goalscoring chance if the player can reach the ball. As for the pen replays show it outside the box with the player landing in the box but ref gave a penalty so thats that.
Keeper is relevant as its only a goalscoring chance if the player can reach the ball. As for the pen replays show it outside the box with the player landing in the box but ref gave a penalty so thats that.
No it wasn't vidic was inside the box, the infringment continued into the box thus a penalty, I was ten feet away, 100% penalty.
It was a straight red card professinal foul, Ba may of got near it but he got rugby tackled.
The point of contact was just outside the box having watched it several times replayed back on Sky HD recorded. You only saw it in real time i take it.
The point of contact was just outside the box having watched it several times replayed back on Sky HD recorded. You only saw it in real time i take it.
It's not he collides with Vidics knees or leg which is in the box. Its a stone wall penalty.
Vidic standing foot is on the line so it was a pen.
Decision was made not gonna argue bout that, the best team came through on the day. Just waiting to see if Rooney accepts or appeals.
Decision was made not gonna argue bout that, the best team came through on the day. Just waiting to see if Rooney accepts or appeals.
You would of had 10 men, 2-0 down would of been a different game.
Hopefully he will appeal and get a longer ban thrown at him
Hopefully he will appeal and get a longer ban thrown at him
Or hopefully a grenade!:D
As a supporter of a conference club - you are all talking rubbish ;)
All clubs get decisions that go for them, as some get decisions that go against them. Man Utd get more focus for their behaviour because they get more airtime really.
Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City are as bad.
The new charter that they are looking to bring in (no details yet) should stop much of this crowding etc.
As per the thread - he should of been given a 2 game ban, the FA need to be consistant though, and it shouldnt just be for what he did, they should bracket petulance, harrassing the ref, and other similar 'gamesmans-ship' in the same way.
I keep harping on, but they should also stop the post match interviews, its stupid to expect measured responses to bad decisions at this time.
Rooney apologised for his actions, after the game, just let it drop now, see how the new charter actually works and then go from there would be my advise.
Also, with regards to referees, if you guys really think you have a problem, come watch some of our games, I think my school teachers 25 years ago were better referees.
The decisions that get made both for and against Darlo, by the officials are laughable at times.
Hopefully the idiots who are ruining the game will see sense and just fine him. Like I said many other players do this every game. This is the first time the FA has taken this action.
You would of had 10 men, 2-0 down MAY of been a different game.
corrected your quote
Hopefully the idiots who are ruining the game will see sense and just fine him. Like I said many other players do this every game. This is the first time the FA has taken this action.
Drogba did it got a three games ban!
And I don't know any other player who has purposefully got out of their way to swear into the camera.
Wasnt drogba for a different incident, if your referring to the incident in europe it was for his behaviour.
Hopefully the idiots who are ruining the game will see sense and just fine him. Like I said many other players do this every game. This is the first time the FA has taken this action.
I'd disagree, he swore down the camera, it wasnt at a player, or even the ref - or to himself, it was down the camera.
I'd rather not ban him, but tbh a ban is the only thing that is likely to change his mentality, as such its justified.
If you fined him then you are opening yourself up for court action, as he 'only' swore.
The club could fine him, but not the FA.
Wasnt drogba for a different incident, if your referring to the incident in europe it was for his behaviour.
It was for swearing towards the camera and causing a scene infront of it.
It was UEFA that took action against his behaviour and not the FA as it was a European ban not domestic, so this is the first time the FA has acted this way.
It was for swearing towards the camera and causing a scene infront of it.
I'd also dispute that, wasnt it for his behaviour etc, the fact it was infront of a camera was largely irrelevant, he would of got the ban anyway.
I'd also dispute that, wasnt it for his behaviour etc, the fact it was infront of a camera was largely irrelevant, he would of got the ban anyway.
Na he aimed it towards the camera.
It was UEFA that took action against his behaviour and not the FA as it was a European ban not domestic, so this is the first time the FA has acted this way.
Isn't this the first time a player has done this in the EPL though? Obviously nearly every player swears during a game and you can hear it sometimes but Rooney did it directly down the camera, which is why he has been banned. UEFA took action against Drogba but I dont see any reason why Rooney shouldnt be given the same punishment?
If its heard or seen on tv whats the difference?? The same audience will hear it?
If its heard or seen on tv whats the difference?? The same audience will hear it?
Because both Rooney and Drogba directly sought out the camera to send a message.
Your missing the point. If a player is heard on tv regardless of whether they looked for the camera the same ppl will hear it so should they also get banned or only if its a Utd player??
Your missing the point. If a player is heard on tv regardless of whether they looked for the camera the same ppl will hear it so should they also get banned or only if its a Utd player??
No because they aren't trying to be a pain and are just talking to players or the ref, Rooney the vitrolic thug that he is decided to find a camera and swear down it a few times.
Utd Player, your ridculous, United get the rub of the green all the time, if things went the right way, rooney would of been suspended after Wigan, Vidic after Saturday etc and many more.
No, you are purposely missing the point that Rooney sought out and delivered a message down the camera, if he hadn't then he would of been ok, he knew that, it's why he apologised after the game
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I would add emmitt, that you are the other side of the coin, and because it's utd, you're glad, there's a middle ground you both seem reluctant to go to
I would add emmitt, that you are the other side of the coin, and because it's utd, you're glad, there's a middle ground you both seem reluctant to go to
I'm glad because Rooney no matter who he plays for is, a piece of absolute scum.
I'm glad because Rooney no matter who he plays for is, a piece of absolute scum.
not talking about Rooney, talking in general, your rub of the green argument highlights it, and its what everyone has a go at Utd for, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that this isnt the case, yet a lot of Utd fans state that nothing ever goes for them, and then theres the Its Utd, everything goes for them.
Clearly both stances are almost ridiculous to the extreme!
not talking about Rooney, talking in general, your rub of the green argument highlights it, and its what everyone has a go at Utd for, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that this isnt the case, yet a lot of Utd fans state that nothing ever goes for them, and then theres the Its Utd, everything goes for them.
Clearly both stances are almost ridiculous to the extreme!
The majority of things do go the big teams way, as if the refs upset Fergie. Wenger, Carlo then they don't get to do the big games, so they keep the top four happy.
The majority of things do go the big teams way, as if the refs upset Fergie. Wenger, Carlo then they don't get to do the big games, so they keep the top four happy.
I dont think thats strictly true, but I know what you mean about decisions going their way, but I'm glad you linked a couple more teams there.
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These to idiots should not be officiating due to bias.
so I am guessing that you are a red?
so I'm guessing you are being biased as well?
I am a red yes but quite impartial having already stated mistakes have been made in Rooney not being punished for the elbow, Neville earlier in the season and vidic lucky to be on the pitch on weekend. But not one opposing fan has yet to be objective.
ThunderFlash
06-04-11, 16:26
I knew potato face was in trouble when he did that, what a vile person.
A ban is a but much though.
Tbf, United have had their fair share of decisions against them, it's hardly ever mentioned though because they have the class to go on and win/get something out of the benefactors of the decisions against them. As not many teams are as good as United, they are less likely to win and these decisions get dragged up.
In summary, everyone gets decisions for and against them.
What a surprise the main protagonist in the Rooney saga has strong links to Manchester City. Hmmm definite dodgy dealings there. The FA should be impartial. The only reason they did this was to keep him from destroying city in the cup.
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Man U against the world,
I bet Bruce Willis is a Man U supporter and they were his inspiration for Armageddon.
Man U against the world,
I bet Bruce Willis is a Man U supporter and they were his inspiration for Armageddon.
Siege mentality. SAF is no stranger to this. Built it up at his time at Aberdeen (and it worked) and has been using it ever since.
obviously failed to see Rooneys goal the other week then lol
love him or hate him, Rooney is an explosive player, yeah with a tainted personal life....but so has charlie sheen, and people enjoy his mental antics?
so who cares
Regardless to if it is rooney or not. What will happen the next time anyone at home hears or sees a player mouthing off on camera? I've lost count of the amount of times i've read a players lips say something. I remember vividly a few years back Scholes tackling someone and barely touching him, the player rolling around and Scholes saying quite clearly (though i couldn't hear it) "get up you ****ing poof". Thts swearing AND technically homophobic but apart from an article in the Sun in which a deaf person was given a few lines commenting on it nothing happened.
Players swear all the time, is it only an offence if you are within 10 feet of a camera or microphone? Is it not offensive to deaf people because they don't actually hear it but only read it on the lips?
Regardless of the ban he has been given, and regardless of who it was. What are the FA going to do going forward? I'd LOVE to see players getting yellows for hounding the ref and swearing at him, it might finally instil a modicum of respect for the officials that you have never seen in football but which is so prevalent in EVERY other sport. If I see Torres swear but don't hear it am I entitled to complain to Sky or the FA? Will opta start tracking the amount of swearies caught on camera?
I have no issue with them banning someone for swearing as he did down the camera (utd fan) but they need to keep it up otherwise they just look stupid. But i know what will happen, they'll not keep it up at all. I don't think they are particularly biased but they do like to make examples of big players. If it had been Drogba or Gerrard I honestly expect they might have done the same thing.
i seem to remember Ferdinand getting a longer ban for missing and thne passing a test than 3 others who actually failed a test. Again, not biased towards targeting united players, just that Ferdinand was the biggest name by a long shot.
The main problem was that he swore straight at the camera. If he'd said it in passing and a camera caught him, then no big deal...and as for films, they have age advisories...and football screened live doesn't...would you really want your little one to look at someone who they might perceive to be their hero and copy the foul mouthed antics? Footballers get paid a lot of money, so they should have a modicum of respect for their wage payers and the general public.
I still say that football is for primadonnas, whereas Rugby is for men...as if you chip a toenail (or metatarsal) in football, you're off for months...in Rugby, you get a crack, go off...get stitched up while under a blood substitution and then get back on and carry on.
Terbinator
09-04-11, 13:07
The main problem was that he swore straight at the camera. If he'd said it in passing and a camera caught him, then no big deal...and as for films, they have age advisories...and football screened live doesn't...would you really want your little one to look at someone who they might perceive to be their hero and copy the foul mouthed antics? Footballers get paid a lot of money, so they should have a modicum of respect for their wage payers and the general public.
I still say that football is for primadonnas, whereas Rugby is for men...as if you chip a toenail (or metatarsal) in football, you're off for months...in Rugby, you get a crack, go off...get stitched up while under a blood substitution and then get back on and carry on.
But at no one specifically.
Like the rest of the fans who swear and gesture in the stadium, pubs and their own living rooms, you mean.
Ahhh yes, the sport where you gouge another mans eyes. Where you pretend to have a cut to come off and if you don't, just get the team doctor to do it. A real mans game.
Try again son, the men are talking.
he may have swore down the camera but he was charged for using fould and abusive language. The camera part was not mentioned and did not form any part of the charge against him. If he was banned for using foul and abusive language at the camera the then I'd say ok fair enough.
Lets see how many players swear today and get away with it.
Terbinator
09-04-11, 13:46
he may have swore down the camera but he was charged for using fould and abusive language. The camera part was not mentioned and did not form any part of the charge against him. If he was banned for using foul and abusive language at the camera the then I'd say ok fair enough.
Lets see how many players swear today and get away with it.
But if you take the camera out of it it's just like a tree falling in the the woods and no one being around to hear it, did it make any noise?
And of course, no one will get punished over it - it's too vast a situation to actually police. As i said, we'll have to start with the fans next.
But other players have been caught on camera swearing not in the same way but were caught none the less. It will be interesting to say the least what will happen this weekend. Think a lot of fans will be tuning in to MOTD to see who swears. The FA have backed themselves into a corner here and have to offer the same punishment to any player who is seen swearing.
Then we have the pressure placed on the referee to write the kind of report he did to enable the fa to act. If this had happened to any other player at any other club the punishment would not have been the same. Yes Rooney was lucky not to be banned for the blatant elbow the other week and it seems this is retribution from that incident as the FA were powerless at the time.
I dont remember Chelsea fans kicking up such a fuss when Drogba was banned for the same thing...
Terbinator
09-04-11, 14:58
I dont remember Chelsea fans kicking up such a fuss when Drogba was banned for the same thing...
Drogba doesn't sell as many papers, or play for the national team.
watercooled
09-04-11, 14:59
who cares he's just a fat horrible waster with money
Cant remember chelsea fans whinging about winning the game against UTD via the referee the other week!!!
Referee 2 Utd 1
Man we are talking about Rooneys' ban, not any ref decisions that have gone for and against Utd. He got the same punishment as Drogba did so why all the fuss?
Drogba was banned for his actions not what he said.
There's alot of comments in this thread that are unneeded and uncalled for.
If you would like to keep the thread open i would think before commenting.
Keep your personal opinions to yourself with regards to Wayne Rooney or any other person.
Make your point as required but saying that someone is pond scum or whatever just because you may not like them or the team they play for is very immature and just backs up people's argument's that everyone is against United.
Yes I'm a United fan and Yes I think it may have been harsh but that is because the FA hadn't notified the players or clubs of the rule change or that they were now enforcing it before actioning it. The fine and perhaps a suspended ban that would come into effect with any future repeats would have been fairer and also made everyone else aware of this.
My point stands also if it had been a City or Liverpool player.
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