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Audigex
26-06-08, 22:53
Okay, I've thought about my "Cheap and expand, or just build it" (question (http://forums.aria.co.uk/showthread.php?t=5656)), and I've decided that it's more cost-effective to just build it straight away.

For that, I need to try to work out how much cash I need, but my component-knowledge is pretty appalling, and there are many of you far better at it then I, so if anyone can spare 10 minutes to pick out a decent set of components I'd be very grateful. I'll give as much detail as I can below.

Budget is approx £450-600 (I could stretch to £650 if I was getting a lot more bang for my buck and an absolute max of £700) - I go for cash over performance, so if a little can be saved now but without waste (so I don't want to replace a CPU, but I wouldn't mind putting in 1 stick of 2gb ram and doubling it later)

General useage intentions of the system are as a decent everyday rig, preferably useful for gaming. I don't play all the latest titles, but I play several fairly recent games and I wouldn't rule gaming out in the future. I'm not looking for a top spec gaming beast, but I want it to be useful for several years.

It needs everything This is important, I have NOTHING for this rig. It needs to include a case, monitor and operating system along with components. We'll ignore keyboad, mouse, webcam and speakers, but I need everything else.

Right, down to detail - I'll try to help as much as I can. Note: I care only abou t performance, LEDs and nice cases bother me not.

Motherboard - Socket 775 naturally, I'd prefer it to handle up to 8gb of ram and 2/3 HDDs Crossfire/sli (depending on which graphics card you're recommending) and any degree of "future-proofing" would be a plus. Other than that, I just want it to handle the system.

PSU - Enough to power the system, with up to 2 graphics cards and 2/3 HDDs. Modular wouldn't go amiss, but I don't want to spend a lot extra for it.

CPU - Intel Core 2 Duo/Quad - I'd guess a Q6600(?) is the CPU I'd be looking at. Quad core preferred but if I'm pushing it, a decent Duo is surviveable.

RAM - Preferably 4gb, but I wouldn't mind a 2gb stick and double it later. I prefer fewer larger sticks than several smaller ones

HDD - SATA, 250GB+ I don't know what pricing is like on these, Ideally I'd like 2x500GB and 1x160GB, but I suspect that's pushing it. I'd prefer a system drive, and something for my music and DVDs, so one drive can be significantly smaller. You, I'm sure, know more about these than me.

Graphics card - I like ATI, nothing against nVidia. This is a case of "I'd like a good one, pleaes" - Crossfire/SLI compatability is much preferred, and it needs to play Counter Strike: Source at high (60+)? frame rates. I'm not looking for super-speedy top end, but some performance wouldn't go amiss.

DVD drives/External card readers One DVD drive will do me fine, it can be cheap and cheerful for all I really care, but I don't mind spending a few pounds for a better quality one

Monitor I'm fine with scrimping here. Flat screen is a must (need to be able to move it) - 17" will do fine (but if there's a 19 for the same money, so much the better). Keep it cheap :)

Case It holds the rest of the stuff, don't care what it looks like whatsoever. I'd prefer one with enough bays for what I want +1, and I need to be able to keep it cool (so feel free to add a couple of fans to my bill)

And that's itI think I've covered everything, sorry if it's too much detail :p all suggestions welcomed. Just to finish off, I'm not looking to get the top of the range item for each category, but something good providing good value for the money.

Thanks :)

marsey99
27-06-08, 01:22
os £61
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Software/Operating+Systems/Microsoft+Windows+Vista+Home+Premium+64+OEM+?produ ctId=25906
19" ws tft £98
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Displays/Monitors/TFT+19/19%22+Hannspree+Multimedia+TFT%2C+5ms+HD+?productI d=31277
case £40
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/MIDI+Tower/Alpine+EZ+Cool+Midi+Black+EC-7103+?productId=14899
mobo £74
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/Socket+775+(Intel)/Gigabyte+GA-EP35C-DS3R+P35+Socket+775+Motherboard?productId=31059 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/Socket+775+%28Intel%29/Gigabyte+GA-EP35C-DS3R+P35+Socket+775+Motherboard?productId=31059)
cpu £50
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CPUs+%2F+Processors/Intel/Core+2+Duo/Intel+Pentium+Dual+Core+E2200+2.2GHz+(Retail+775)+ ?productId=31076 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CPUs+%2F+Processors/Intel/Core+2+Duo/Intel+Pentium+Dual+Core+E2200+2.2GHz+%28Retail+775 %29+?productId=31076)
ram 4gb £53
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR2/DDR2+800+(PC6400)/Arianet+Elite+4GB+PC2-6400+CL5+(2x2GB)+?productId=30018 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR2/DDR2+800+%28PC6400%29/Arianet+Elite+4GB+PC2-6400+CL5+%282x2GB%29+?productId=30018)
hdd x2 striped £76
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Hard+Drives/Serial+ATA/320GB+Samsung+SATA+-+16MB?productId=29921
gpu £125
http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/Sapphire+HD+4850+512MB+PCI-E2.0+?productId=32165
dvdrw £18
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CD%2FDVD+Drives/Internal/SATA/NEC+Optiarc+AD-7191S+20x+Internal+DVDRW+Lightscribe+Black+-+SATA?productId=29724

thats about £600 but it has alot of room for improvement, 1st thing i would want to change would be the psu as its a freebie in a case, not somthing i would often advise but its a tight budget for an almost full system. then maybe some cooling to try and overclock it.

Audigex
27-06-08, 01:31
Right, I decided to stop being so cheeky and do at least some of the legwork myself. So here's a "wishlist" - I went through going for the items that I'd like, at the approx maximum prices I'd be willing to pay (Note: I'd buy the Q6600 if it wasn't superspecial, and I could stretch a little further on most components)

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4738/compgi9.jpg
...which completely breaks the bank...

So if I stop being silly and cut the extra 4gb RAM, 400gb storage and entire graphics card that I don't actually need I get down to £750 delivered, which is where I'd love a hand with reducing prices. These are just the sort of level of performance I'd love - if anyone would like to go through the list and tell me where I'm being either over-ambitious, or where I could do better with other components... or where I'm just wasting money.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2820/comp2cm5.jpg

And some links, so that nobody has to trawl through the aria site to find the items I printscreened :)
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz 95W G0 Stepping (Retail 775) (https://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Intel+Core+2+Quad+Q6600+2.4GHz+95W+G0+Stepping+%28 Retail+775%29+?productId=28356)
Cooler Master Centurion 5 Silver (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/MIDI+Tower/Cooler+Master+Centurion+5+Silver?productId=16357)
Corsair 4GB PC2-6400 C5 XMS2 (2x2GB) (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR2/DDR2+800+%28PC6400%29/Corsair+4GB+PC2-6400+C5+XMS2+%282x2GB%29+?productId=27910)
ASUS P5K Intel iP35 Socket 775 Motherboard (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/Socket+775+%28Intel%29/ASUS+P5K+Intel+iP35+Socket+775+Motherboard+?produc tId=27298)
Corsair 620W HX V2 Series Modular PSU (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/500w+%2B/Corsair+620W+HX+V2+Series+Modular+PSU+?productId=2 7954)
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio PCI-Express - OEM (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Sound+Cards/Creative+Sound+Blaster+X-Fi+Xtreme+Audio+PCI-Express+-+OEM?productId=30470)
400Gb Hitachi SATAII 16MB (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Hard+Drives/Serial+ATA/400Gb+Hitachi+SATAII+16MB+?productId=26223)
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 3870 512MB PCI-E2.0 (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/PCI-E/ATI+Radeon+3000+Series/Sapphire+ATI+Radeon+HD+3870+512MB+PCI-E2.0+?productId=31344)
20" Asus VW202S Widescreen 5ms (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Displays/Monitors/TFT+20+-+23/20%22+Asus+VW202S+Widescreen+5ms+?productId=28669)
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 64 OEM (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Software/Operating+Systems/Microsoft+Windows+Vista+Home+Premium+64+OEM+?produ ctId=25906)

Anyway, I'm going to stop posting now on account of I'm just rambling.

Edit: Thanks marsey, some good suggestions for me there :) I'll definately take some of those into account. I really like the sound of the Q6600 though, and I'd definately up the PSU :)

marsey99
27-06-08, 02:24
both yours cost 100s more :) i said psu would be top of the list.

extra £165,
throw this psu in
https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/500w+%2B/Cooler+Master+Real+Power+M520W+Modular+Power+Suppl y+?productId=30604
swap the cpu for the q66
https://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/Intel+Core+2+Quad+Q6600+2.4GHz+95W+G0+Stepping+(Re tail+775)+?productId=28356
with this to cool it and give some clocking head room
https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/Socket+754%2C+939%2C+775/OCZ+Vendetta+2+CPU+Cooler+(All+sockets)+?productId =31337
comes in about the same as your second picks but will clock higher, run faster striped, stay cooler and is easier to upgrade.

Audigex
27-06-08, 02:54
Well I've swapped most of it out for your suggestions, and we come to £717.09 - a touch over budget :(

So I've swapped out the HDD for a 250gb SATA - I can use it as the system drive for now and add in some storage later, and add another in RAID. I took out the cooler for now, I can always overclock later... better to learn how to build the things before I start tinkering :p

So now I'm down to £676.82... a little more than I'd planned for, but surviveable considering it ticks just about every box I originally had. I'm going to have to scrape some pennies together, so any suggestions on how to bring the cost down a little further without ruining what looks to be a nice system are welcome. And perhaps a couple of the prices will drop slightly in the next few weeks and I can grab that cooler - although the Q6600 will probably go up :(

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2401/comp3dx0.jpg
What I have so far :)

davcohen
27-06-08, 23:07
http://forums.aria.co.uk/showthread.php?t=5647

this system cost me about £400 to build

Audigex
29-06-08, 16:04
Thats quite a nice setup, I'm just trying to find the balance between cost and performance, without harming the opportunity to upgrade in the future.

davcohen
06-07-08, 16:32
Thats quite a nice setup, I'm just trying to find the balance between cost and performance, without harming the opportunity to upgrade in the future.

thats fair enough, just to let you know i havent as of yet changed any settings in the bios just literally put it together and i cant quite believe how fast the system is, there are barely any loading times and the system is near enough silent

all my components are middle of the road, although at any point i could easily upgrade to high spec parts and there wouldnt be any problems