View Full Version : say NO to paying £2080 a year to travel to work
As expected, the government gave the go-ahead for Manchester to introduce a congestion charge without a referendum.
The scheme initially had to be approved by 10 of manchesters councils, only 7 approved so they changed the rules and forced it through.
Based on inflation at a predicted cost of £8 a day to drive into and out of manchester this needs stopping in its tracks. £2080 a year on top of already insane fuel costs and driving costs is a big pay cut!
There is one final consultation before the scheme goes ahead - If its anything like the first consulation it will be a VERY small survey group and full of loaded questions - trying to hide the fact its a £3billion grant of which most of it is a loan manchester will pay back through increased public transport prices, increased council tax and the £8 a day CONgestion charge.
This will kill manchester and every other city when they follow suite
Sign the petition here
http://www.stopthecharge.co.uk/index.php
um they tax enough on petrol why not use that
wonderlust
10-06-08, 16:46
it didn't kill london...
avoid the costs,
1. walk
2. get a ptw (powered two wheeler)
3. get an approved lpg vehicle
manchester is nothing like london, we don't have an underground for a start!
and the charging zone covers a HUGE area, as far as the outer M60 ringroad.
What we need is cars with hidable numberplates, then hay presto, hide it as u go past entry cams and exit cams etc.
wonderlust
10-06-08, 17:19
or steal someone elses :twisted:
Ohh did i say that out loud....
it will be charged with a special tag fitted in the windscreen, which will also track the cars every movement
Claim it breaches your freedom as they can monitor you.
wonderlust
10-06-08, 17:22
Ah big brother!
The plus side, less, or no drivers driving around with no insurance/mot/road tax
the road will be full of 4x4 gass guzzlers who can afford the luxury.
The working class will have to sell their cars and use public transport which for most people I know a 10 minute car journey can become a 2 bus 45-60 minute trek!
wonderlust
10-06-08, 17:26
I left a job in london for just that reason,
It was in a January and I was working just over Lambeth bridge. By bike it was about an hour and a half. (but showing signs of hyperthermia)
By car would have meant an hour then another hour at least by bus (changing at least twice.
By train was 2 hours packed in like cattle then another 25 minutes or so by bus.
basically why should we pay for something the government should provide? Were the most taxed country in the world and an extra £2080 a year is the biggest tax hit since the poll tax!
I don't use public transport, why should I be forced into using it and priced off the road?
wonderlust
10-06-08, 17:31
I understand your pain, but those of use that have/do use london, have had this for years, as has Durham.
I think it won't be long before it is seen in every major town/city in the country.
Think I'll just stick to living in Cambridge :) I can get to most places easily within 30 minutes by bike.
Large cities suck, its all about the smaller ones in my opinion.
Oddly they want to give us a congestion charge too and are installing one of those new fangled guided buses. Affects me in no way.
I'm pretty sure the council was bunged a load of cash by the government marked "Waste this on public transport". They either spend it or lose it.
PeterStoba
10-06-08, 17:34
Signed :)
wonderlust
10-06-08, 17:43
I don't know about Manchester, but the worse thing they did in London was introduce the Bendy-bus, what a fing stupid idea! Lets make the buses longer and not teach the drivers that if the get the cab over a junction the back may not be! Bring back the double deckers (not the route masters as they are proven to be killers)
Rant mode switched to off :D
I live on one side of manchester, I work right in the centre, it costs me at the moment the same to drive as it would to get the bus, but it would take me twice as long on the bus.
The bus that I would need to get home runs once after I finish work, if I miss it, I'm buggered!
Whats more is that I live on the outside of the outer zone so it would cost me 3+2+1+1=£7 a day on top of fuel to get to/from work every day.
Maybe the bus would be cheaper but only if it ran to a better timetable...
Rick130887
11-06-08, 08:58
i live just outside the suggested zone ( if i went 3 streets away i would have crossed into the congestion zone). So i think this is another way for the goverment to take away money we earn.
its the biggest scam the government have come up with recently
they will say they are going to improve bus timetables and the metrolink but they wont, the metrolink expansion has been promised since they started it they dont put more trams on at busy times either more buses? the bus service is run by stagecoach so lots more customers for them :(
They spent £10 million on the consultation for it initially, which paid for actors to pose as people living in manchester for their adverts and for a sham of a survey where little of the real public were actually asked.
All along people have been and still are asking for a referendum on the issue. But according to Richard Leese leader of manc council we "wouldn't understand the question" !!!
Q) Do you want a congestion charge?
A) No!
Whats not to understand?
He knows if the public were asked 80% would be against it so has to resort to underhand methods to push it through.
My household bills have gone up by about 10% this year, far from the "official" government figures of inflation @ 3%. Add an extra £2080 a year to that and I may as well have my salary paid straight into gordon browns account!!!
Shhhh *They* may be reading that right now!
Rick130887
11-06-08, 11:42
If the congestion charge does go ahead i think i will just try to move a few streets then i am within the "ZONE" and will escape the charges.
Is there not a way of getting your work to pay for the charges?
Its hardly fair that just because you happen to work in town that you have to pay extra; whereas someone next door to you doing the same job but who doesnt work in town is effectively on £2k more a year than you.
wonderlust
11-06-08, 19:45
iirc there are tax impications in having your employer cover the costs.
Try £2096 INSURANCE. (Yes, that's what I pay)
Before road tax, petrol, servicing, maintenance, MOT, congestion charges... and buying the car.
:lol: So glad I don't need a car! No way could I afford it.
what car do you have audigex? is it a ferrari or something?
PeterStoba
22-07-08, 10:55
OR he is young, has an easy to steal car and lives in a bad area?
PeterStoba
22-07-08, 11:11
Yeah lol
gawd its quiet on here today, where is everyone?
wonderlust
22-07-08, 11:18
lurking rather than posting :D
We're all waiting for someone to say something interesting...
lol... something interesting... there you go
PeterStoba
22-07-08, 11:20
something interesting...
I had to
There goes another nail in the coffin of originality.
I'm getting ready to go on holiday to Croatia... :D See you all in 10days :)
Ah cool!
Where did you say you live?
stop spamming my post you sick puppys!
http://forums.guru3d.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_puker.gif
In the latest update on the con charge - traffic levels are currently falling, what a CONo by labour, taxing the working class to death
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/c/1058819_traffic_levels_not_soaring
OR he is young, has an easy to steal car and lives in a bad area?
Young: yes (18)
Easy to steal car: definately not, stock alarm, after-market alarm and thatcham 2 immobiliser; five year old renault clio. Neither hugely desirable, rare or easy to steal
Bad area: for car crime, not a bit. There are a lot of drug offences, but there's never any damage to cars.
It's not even a powerful joy-boy car, it's a blue clio (more hairdresser than joy-boy) with a 1.2 litre engine. It's officially the slowest accellerating hatchback on the road, and tops out at a theoretical 110mph (down-hill and after a very light lunch)
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