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well i was wondering how much my good old rig would be worth
Specs:
Amd 4600+ socket 939
Shuttle Xpc SN95G5 V3 barebone
300gb western digital hdd ide
Pioneer 111D dvd drive
ATi 3850 Agp 512mb
2GB kingston hyperx ram (2x1gb)
How much u recon it could fetch? im talking ebay aswell so most people will think its insane
Its a 939, so not a lot, but the 3850 does make it more worth it. I would sell off the system with a cheap gfx as an office sort of product and sell the 3850 seperatley.
i was thinking of selling it more as a gaming pc it has no trouble with alot of new games and still can pack a punch
Yes, but my opinion would be that someone building an intel pc would want a gfx card to match and upgradability, so i dont think a dead end upgrade path is good for you to try and sell on for gaming.
the 3850 really agp? If so it won't sell that easily on its own so i would sell it as a complete pc.
Sold with the HDD zero'd, reformatted with a valid Windows XP / Vista and a COA sticker, I'd advertise it at about the £300-330 ball park excluding delivery with the expectation that it might sell for a bit less.
Mac124, it is indeed AGP. If I recall correctly the SN95G5 was an nForce 3 Ultra based system, which is AGP8x. The AMD shuttles didn't go PCI-E until the SN25P and ST20G5.
Might do better advertising it as a media pc with some gaming capability rather than an out and out gaming pc? And maybe invest £25 or so in some kind of tuner. Also I would guesstimate £250 would be the max you could hope to get, its not listed as dual core so i assume it isn't and yes i agree you would be better selling it on ebay.
The 4600+ model was only ever available in Dual Core format. My breakdown was
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ £40
XPC SN95G5 £80
300GB HDD £35
DVDROM £10
HD 3850 £100
2GB PC3200 £30
~£295 in parts. With a clean OS Install and the fact that it'd make a fairly stylish machine, I came to my conclusion of around £300-330.
wonderlust
04-05-08, 12:25
Lol I would rip your hand off if you were to sell that 4600+ x2 @ £40
A quick Ebay search shows the cheapest completed listing for a 4600+ 939 x2 was over £70!
Those were my estimates part by part when sold together as a bundle. £40 is it's retail price ignoring price gouging. You've got to be careful when pricing the system as a whole because it's a 939/DDR/AGP system with limited upgradability. Price it much higher than £300 and frankly, people would rather have an AM2/LGA775 rig.
The X2 4600+ on it's own? Yeah, I'd agree you could get as much as £70+ for it.
At the end of the day its your pc you must ask for it what you want but a quick browse of Aria and you can pick up a new agp 3850 for £113 so your estimate of £100 is going to be quite a bit over, £70 might be a bit more realistic, likewise the hard drive that can be had new for £40. The rest i would agree you probably aren't far off, you might be in the window where people are trying to make thier older kit last as long as possible so the 4600 being towards the top of the range for 939 might get a premium, would it be worth you down grading it and selling it seperately?
the ram and gfx have been used for less than a week
Sell it as tested and 100% working ram then?
Week old or otherwise they are still "2nd hand" IF they go wrong there could be issues rmaing them even if you provide receipts. Maybe its just me but i would rather buy new than save say £10-£15 buying 2nd hand, albeit only a week or so old, hardware "just in case".
As i said though Mike we can only offer advice / opinion it IS upto you what you ask, i hope i am wrong and you do get £300+ but i think realistically £250 might be nearer the mark.
well thanks all for ur opinions
O yea whilst talking about my old one what you think about my choice for the new one:
Amd 6400+
GIGABYTE GA-M57SLI-S4
8800gts 320mb sli
GeIL Evo One 4gb
HIPER 730w psu
PeterStoba
05-05-08, 21:46
Go Intel, get a good motherboard and cooler, and don't SLi bad performing cards. Overkill PSU too
I agree. Bad move on CPU, Motherboard and Graphics The system isn't balanced at all.
As mentioned what you're after is a LGA775 Core 2 Duo / Quad, Intel P35 based board and a single GeForce 8800 or Radeon HD 3850/3870
Take a look at what your local independants are selling in the way of complete systems and buy a Bargain Pages to see what similar priced systems are being advertised at. I mean if your local independant is selling ready to go towers for £299, you will have a difficult time flogging your 2nd hand machine for the same money. At the end of the day, its only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. I'd say for a guaranteed quick sale, aim for around the £250 mark as is.
O yea whilst talking about my old one what you think about my choice for the new one:
Amd 6400+
GIGABYTE GA-M57SLI-S4
8800gts 320mb sli
GeIL Evo One 4gb
HIPER 730w psu
NOOOOOOO!!! dont buy a AMD chip, I am a longtime AMD user who
has recently come to the Intell platform
I seriously recommend you go for the E8400 instead, even at stock it
out performs the AMD X2 6400, not to mention the Intel chip will hit
4.0Ghz without even breaking a sweat
I understand you have had AMD in the past and feel happy to go with
them again, but do you really want to have 2nd best for the same amount of money.
I would sell all the parts seperately, there is more chance of someone wanting that one rare part and hence it fetches a higher price.
I did this with my Barton socket A build and made good £££
wonderlust
06-05-08, 10:07
I agree, as I said earlier the 939 x2s are going for silly prices.
I sold my 3500, 1gb DDR, and board for 70 on ebay.
um well in terms of cpu i havent bothered going intel because its gunna cost more and when i buy a 775 motherboard aswell the price then hits the roof, i only have a budget of £400. And i dont see how 730w is overkill for a sli system that will be overclocked, i will have alot of other things attached such as tec coolers
With all due respect, your argument for AMD has very little backing.
Simple fact is, it's an awfully unbalanced machine.
- An AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ will hold back a single 8800GTS 512mb, let alone two. Also, considering the fact that you could probably milk at least 2.6-2.8GHz out of your existing X2 4600+, it's hardly an upgrade. Even if you overclock the X2 6400+, you'll hit a brick wall around 3.5-3.6GHz anyway. Aston Martin DBS with square wheels anyone?
- Intel boards are expensive. First off, you get what you pay for. You're spending £52 on a cheap AM2 SLI board. Overclocking will be limited. £50 will get you a decent Intel P35 based motherboard and £60 will get you an nForce 650i SLI board if you really want to jump on the SLI bandwagon.
-The Hiper 730W isn't awfully overkill for an SLI rig but it still is over the top. You could get away with dropping to a 600W unit and putting the savings towards an Intel setup
- Air Tec coolers are > £55. They're noisy 92mm, 1Kg blocks, which will give you nice idle temps but shoddy load temps. Again, you could easily save money here.
Without trying to sound rude, ignoring my own opinions the system is just fundamentally wrong. It's your decision but you're making quite a mistake by going from Socket 939 to AM2.
PeterStoba
06-05-08, 18:02
Tec coolers are mainly for water cooling aren't they?
And they operate off a seperate PSU, tbh it looks like you just said that to look good
I bought a E2160 for £42, Neo2-FR for around £60 and 2 gb of Patriot DDR 6400 for £30... £132 in total... add a decent graphics card for about £120, nice PSU for £60, HDD for £40 and case for about the same...
Total = £352 for a decent machine with a lot of overclockability :)
Tec's/Peltiers work a lot better with a quality watercooling loop than air yeah. Air Tec's are available but there's no way they can stand up to a quality heatsink like a Noctua U12, Thermalright Ultima 90 / Ultra 120, Tuniq Tower or similar. They're noisier and drain on the PSU as well.
Tecs are ticking time bombs imho, they fail and the cpu is insulated from all cooling.
im stretching my money as it is i mean a e8400 doesnt perform much better than a 6400+ at the price it is, plus i would have to buy a better fan so i dont think its worth it and by overclock i mean 100-200mhz not ghz etc and what difference will it make i mean the 6400+ and E8400 are almost the same speed (yes the intel is faster but only by a small amount) i personally dont see how its gunna bottleneck the sli config if i use a 6400+ rather than a E8400
6400 will have more bandwidth, but even an E4500 at 3.3ghz will beat your 6400 for less money.
dude thats like a 110% overclock isnt it? i dont wanna risk the cpu getting fried im not a great fan of overclocking anyway
Its a 50% overclock so not quite so dramatic, i can get it upto about 56% before the board wont give anymore fsb.
im stretching my money as it is i mean a e8400 doesnt perform much better than a 6400+ at the price it is, plus i would have to buy a better fan so i dont think its worth it and by overclock i mean 100-200mhz not ghz etc and what difference will it make i mean the 6400+ and E8400 are almost the same speed (yes the intel is faster but only by a small amount) i personally dont see how its gunna bottleneck the sli config if i use a 6400+ rather than a E8400
Actually, you're underestimating the difference.
http://www.pchardwaresource.co.uk/index.php?view=category&id=43%3Ahardware-components&option=com_content&Itemid=41
http://www.pchardwaresource.co.uk/images/stories/fsx_c2dvsx2.gif
This is an example of a CPU intensive game with both AMD Athlon 64 and Core 2 Duo at the same clock speeds head to head. It's most definitely the difference between choppy framerates and fluid framerates.
I understand that this is an exceptional game that I tested but my point remains. When you factor in the extra work per clock cycle that a 45nm Wolfdale can do compared to the 65nm Conroe and the extra L2 cache there is absolutely no competition. The difference between the two cpu's only increase as you scale the clock speeds upwards.
Yes I agree that both Duals would hold two 8800's back but the Core 2 Duo wouldn't anywhere near as much as an AMD Athlon 64 X2 would.
Like I said, your argument has absolutely no backing. I've handled Socket 939 platforms with 5 different single core chips as well as dual cores and I even went out and bought an AM2 kit just to be the 1,000,001st website to outline the fact that the Core 2 Duo is faster. The facts are right there and believe me, this is no conspiracy to take down AMD...
I'm not slating AMD but quite simply with your budget, a more balanced Intel system can be built.
This thread is far too technical for me..:S
Like I said before why have 2nd best
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/dualcore-shootout_4.html#sect0
and thats on stock, the E8400 will sit at 3.6Ghz on stock
vcore and HSF not likely to get a 600mhz oc on the AMD chip
as there allready running at the max anyway
right ive listen to what you have said and i have decided:
2x 8800gts 320mb (sli)
Hiper 730w psu
GeIL evo one 4gb kit
Asus P5N-D
Intel Q6600
but i heard rumours that the nvidia 700 series chipset has a problem or something is it just a rumor or true and is that motherboard a full 16X electrical on the 2 pci-e slots, and will it have any compatibilty issues or bottlenecking
Two PCI-Express 2.0's at 8x shouldn't be a huge problem. However, I'd urge you to opt for either a single 8800GT/GTS 512mb or the GT/GTS 512mb in SLI. 320mb will become an increasing problem as far as video ram goes (if it isn't already) and SLI'd GTS' doesn't mean you have 640mb to independantly use either. What resolution will you be running games at?
1280X1024 i choose 2 320's coz they where cheap and very good in performance vs price such as they beat a 8800gtx but are cheaper
well i few of the upcoming ones etc
Fair enough. Should be a decent option depending on the cost of those GTS 320's.
they will cost about £140 for both
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