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With the new MS operating system around the corner (big corner).. Id like to plug a few questions if anyone would care to answer...
1. Will you be upgrading to Vista the first month it is Launched?
2. Persuming we are all geeks and going for the fully featured \"Ultimate\" edition... How much would you be willing to pay for it (Bear in mind XP Pro is around £90inc VAT)?
3. How much do you think it will be?
4. Are you going to be upgrading just for Vista (It wont install unless you have 512MB Ram!)?
Feel free to have a little rant about Vista here too... Think XP is perfectly tuned, and IE7 is just a clone of Firefox.. Discuss ;)
1. No
2. I think GBP90 would be good, but
3. I suspect it will be many times more
3b. Linux FTW!
4. Heck no
Mighty_Jah
16-08-06, 11:57
Dont think Ill be touchin it with a barge pole...for the first few months..prolly wait for......
A. Initial teething probs ironing out.
B. A sufficient price drop.
C. Reports on the extent of its built in spyness.
Ill prolly be supplying it in new builds for clients...via demand for new OS
but personally on my machines, Im toying with the idea of going back a step, with a very small chopped down version of XP pro, does all I need it to do, till Im forced over to Vista, via the sneaky in-workings of MS.
I hate sensationalism....
But like the Murphy's
Mighty... :wink:
I'll stick with my GNU Linux :P
1. definately not!
2. if its as good as its meant to be, ill say £125 max, this about 3rd month of its release and only if its worth it
3. at first about £200+
4. hell no, XP has just became perfect recently and i know alot about XP now and never have any problems!
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1. Will you be upgrading to Vista the first month it is Launched?[/quote:b8d554d220]
Yes i will be. I currently have my PC dual booted with Vista Beta. And as i work in I.T i have to make sure im up to date with the latest software and hardware
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2. Persuming we are all geeks and going for the fully featured \"Ultimate\" edition... How much would you be willing to pay for it (Bear in mind XP Pro is around £90inc VAT)?[/quote:b8d554d220]
Everything will be provided by work, so i dont worry about the cost.
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3. How much do you think it will be?[/quote:b8d554d220]
Just the Vista Software? £120 for the Fully Featured. £90 Normal. £70 Cut Down.
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4. Are you going to be upgrading just for Vista (It wont install unless you have 512MB Ram!)?[/quote:b8d554d220]
The only PC's i use for personal use are higher spec than the minimal recommendation. The pc's that dont make the spec will be used are Linux machines.
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Feel free to have a little rant about Vista here too... Think XP is perfectly tuned, and IE7 is just a clone of Firefox.. Discuss ;)[/quote:b8d554d220]
XP has only just become totally stable, and for most people there is defiently no need to upgrade to Vista.
But if a client of ours buys Vista, i must be able to solve the problem, and that means understanding Vista.
:evil: No real need for the little jibe at IE7! As i use it, and its a mix of Firefox and Opera. Firefox works on Vista so no need for that comment.
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id like to have vista asap i dont know why its just something i like to keep ontop of :)
As for problems im sure they will have alot ironed out considering it had two public betas, and over 6 months developing these.
XP wasnt out recently? 2001 when i last checked?
XP has too many patches and loopholes now fixed- its beyond usable imho- you get a fresh install of XP Pro - then put all ur patches in and NOTHING ELSE, u can tweak the registry etc. but you wont get anywhere near the speed of the fresh install . . .
1) Hopefully
2) As little as possible :)
3) £200-220, possibly more,
4) No but i want a conroe system, by then quad core will come out so will have to assess financially :)
IE7 is a waste of time imho, stick to firefox :) IE beat everyone in the browser market years ago and now theyre losing grasp to other browsers they copy features from others - how nice :)
[quote:110b06ad09=\"PrivatePyle\"]my folks bought my sister a new lappy y'day (dell :roll: ) and i made sure pops paid for a memory upgrade just so that it was futureproofed against Vista.
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http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=businessNews&storyID=2006-08-15T095627Z_01_N14331325_RTRIDST_0_BUSINESS-DELL-BATTERIES-COL.XML
kristoficus
17-08-06, 10:53
[quote:56b61053e6=\"m0nk3y\"]With the new MS operating system around the corner (big corner).. Id like to plug a few questions if anyone would care to answer...
1. Will you be upgrading to Vista the first month it is Launched?[/quote:56b61053e6]
No way... There is a general rule where Microsoft are concerned. Never buy a brand new product from them - wait at least a month for the crucial bugs to be fixed, wait at least 6 months for the software to function as originally intended. Wait a year for the software to do what you were promised it would.
Ohh and wait 1 day for a million new viruses.
[quote:56b61053e6=\"m0nk3y\"]2. Persuming we are all geeks and going for the fully featured \"Ultimate\" edition... How much would you be willing to pay for it (Bear in mind XP Pro is around £90inc VAT)?[/quote:56b61053e6]
As it is i think XP Pro is overpriced for what it is... Personally i wouldnt be willing to spend over £100 for any operating system - especially one which will have a million pesky updates in its first month of life.
[quote:56b61053e6=\"m0nk3y\"]3. How much do you think it will be?[/quote:56b61053e6]
The cheapest will be about £80. The fully featured one about £220 (total guess on both)
[quote:56b61053e6=\"m0nk3y\"]4. Are you going to be upgrading just for Vista (It wont install unless you have 512MB Ram!)?[/quote:56b61053e6]
Dont need to... Only thing i'll need to upgrade is my graphics card to a DX10 one - unless DX10 doesnt make it onto AGP, in which case a new mobo too.
But i have the speed and RAM for it.
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I doubt i will ever use Vista unless some nice group of people come along and strip out the evil parts of it...Such as TCPA (Trusted Computing Platform Alliance), which gives selected people/organisations full control over your computer... Check this site for some scary stuff:
http://www.againsttcpa.com/
Mighty_Jah
17-08-06, 11:18
Yep...exactly the same stuff...Im Para :shock: about....also....such mechanisms allow the checking of all software licences from other companies that have bought into the bigger picture, Big Brother came years ago...they are just refining it......Makes George Orwell...seem like kids stuff...considering you can ping...things in .00000.01 of a millisecond.
Im goin back on 98se... :wink:
Further to the point, I cant wait till some spotty @rsed kid, strips the fat out and shoves it on...a torrent...! (Lol @ Borg xp)
http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/big%20brother.jpg
The Paranoidic Mighty... :wink:
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Im goin back on 98se... :wink:
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Look into Linux ;)
http://www.linux.org/images/logo/linuxorg.gif (http://www.linux.org/)
Mighty_Jah
17-08-06, 11:42
Cheers F.....makes for some interesting reading...I can see a Linux thread coming soon....wanna...start one?
You seem to know what your on about mate...!
I'm slightly convinced with linux & other OS's, although prolly a matter of time before that gets poisoned too!
Best jump in now while the going is good...!
We want Firerat's Linux.....Thread....yarghhhhhhhhhhh!.. :twisted:
Hating all things fedish, from day 1....Mighty... :wink:
even if there are 1 million new bugs and hacks for it in the first month who cares ? it looks pretty :)
just go download \"HiJack This\" and sort yaself out :) not a problem.
Mighty_Jah
17-08-06, 12:21
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j302/Mightyjah/hi-jack.jpg
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Mighty... :wink:
Im tempted to give SUSE a try on an old box... :roll:
May i be the 1st to recommend Suse :)
Make sure to get a good guide for it, if your starting fresh. Thats what i did, and it was really only one of the Linux distro's i could really use.
1. No, I won't be upgrading in the first month. I'm still on frikin' 98se. I'm going to get a bit of use out of XP first.
2. Not more than £100-£150. Even that is expensive for me. OEM all the way.
3. Ultimate retail - somewhere around the £200-250 mark? OEM better be at least half that or I'll have a fit.
4. I'm building a new PC shortly and it should handle Vista easily when the time comes. I will probably buy a second HDD as master for the Vista install and a new graphics card.
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1. Will you be upgrading to Vista the first month it is Launched?
2. Persuming we are all geeks and going for the fully featured \"Ultimate\" edition... How much would you be willing to pay for it (Bear in mind XP Pro is around £90inc VAT)?
3. How much do you think it will be?
4. Are you going to be upgrading just for Vista (It wont install unless you have 512MB Ram!)?
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1. No - always wait for SP2
2. 150 no more.
3. it had better not be over 150....
4. Hardware is never a problem with my rigs 8)
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I think a great deal of people are going to get a shock at the necessary hardware Vista will require (especially by way of grafix...) and that the \"onboard grafix\" mob will find they not only need to feed their CD-ROM with Vista, but their AGP or PCIE slot with something decent too...
So it won't simply be the cost of Vista, but the necessary upgrades in any hardware which are also going to happen at the same time...
Am I alone in remembering that every single major M$ release has been subject to fairly rigid revisions within the first 3-4 months (personally I like to call it M$'s \"extended BETA testing\" phase...) which result in a flurry of patches and numerous database articles and disclaimers being published!
That was the case with W95 when 98' was launched... and as for 98' to NT, same difference... and even XP/SP2 caused grief for a good number of end users with certain hardware - so I expect Visat to be just the same old story, perhaps even worse given the spiralling complexities.
As for the dig on Firefox-v-iE I read a few posts back, maybe the poster would care to focus on facts and not merely present day actualities, as neither Firefox, nor even Mozilla, were the pioneers of tabbed browsing - it was first developed as an iE plug-in by a project called NetCaptor that is still one of the best bolt on iE front ends you can get today :wink:
As for the final costs of Vista? Dunno. I would have thought M$ will push it to the hilt initially. I'm not so worried about spyware like Alexa either, but am pretty convinced there'll be some kind of kernel level hardware linked issue to get your PC activated and that you might find it unavoidable but to call Microsoft at EVERY installation and quote license details to make it even bootable! In the tradition of XP and WGA I suspect (fear would be a better term...) that Vista is likely to be a tough nut for the hackers to get inside and successfully exploit... :(
If you live in India Microsoft are offering you a free CD with Vista BETA if you can answer a handful of no brainer questions...
http://www.microsoft.com/india/offers/vista/quiz.aspx
There's plenty of employment for the M$ spin doctors tight now :twisted:
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hi, just thought i'd add my 10p's worth.
I got vista running beta2 version at the moment and to be honest its alot better than i thought it would be. the biggest problem i'm finding at the moment is lack of drivers for various pieces of hardware. However the ATI vista driver is very good and allows me to play BF2 and GRAW quite happily.
It is very bloated with gimmicks tho, which makes it run a little slower than it should, but if you shut down non-essential services it runs quite smooth. I been testing now for about 2 months and i believe as far as Gamers are concerned it will be far better than XP.
Specs i'm running are quite high however, it eats RAM for breakfast.
My basics are Ath64 3700+, 1GB OCZ gold dual, X800pro, to make the most of it you really need to be running PCI Express, oh and the ATI xpress3200 chipset loves vista.
i would also recommend 1gb - 2 gb of ram as opposed 512mb.
hope this helps peeps
Chard :wink:
Prices leaked?
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/software/start-saving-vista-prices-leaked-197123.php
Also one more thing, Vista uses DirectX 11, XP will never see DX11 unfortunately
:cry:
chard
Doesn't seem that bad i guess.
Hmm, no suprises there. Vibe for Vista doesnt look great tho :?
kristoficus
30-08-06, 11:55
[quote:146e4fb171=\"charddude\"]Also one more thing, Vista uses DirectX 11, XP will never see DX11 unfortunately
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DX10 mate...DX10 ;)
yup one step at a time..
And the prices do look leaked but that is unconfirmed by MS ?
Been looking vista is not going to be cheap :evil:
So i hope Aria gets us a good deal on the top packages - right ? :) :lol:
Mighty_Jah
31-08-06, 10:36
Related UK Pricing Speculation
The posting indicates that the Home Basic edition of Windows Vista will be priced the same as Windows XP Home, at a price that equates to around £122.62. The Home Premium version, which includes support for Media Center and tablet PC abilities will sell for a 13 percent higher rate, a price that translates to about £141.57.
More Below
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39281960,00.htm
Mighty... :wink:
Cool, i read that the upgrade version was 122 canadian dollars.
<sticking with Pro for 10 more years> ;)
I agree with Matt to a certain degree ----> it does look very pretty. But:
I will not be upgrading as soon as it comes out, too many bugs probably. It is going to cost alot, more than 90 GBP, im guessing probably about the 150 GBP mark (for the home edition basic and upto 100's of GBP's For the home premium and pro editions).
Yes i agree IE7 Is a clone of Firefox!
Matt J
you are all on about vista but heres a bery funny story. installed vista on a works machine.
there was a power cut which meant this machine turned off whilst being booted an this more or less buggered everything u.
it comes upand says that you have to do a system recovery. doh
Anyone installed Release Candidate 1 yet?
Installed it on a SLI setup and it works, good to see thats sorted 8)
[quote:da341e3e01=\"Belso\"]Anyone installed Release Candidate 1 yet?
Installed it on a SLI setup and it works, good to see thats sorted 8)[/quote:da341e3e01]
It sounds like Microsoft have been listening, with all this public testing we might get a full first release which is as stable ( or near enought) as a Past SP2 release
I like their little Spoof vid
http://www.updatexp.com/we-share-your-pain.html
IE7 crashed watching it........
:P
[quote:051a066f21=\"Belso\"]IE7 crashed watching it........
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hehe
Get a programer clobbered over the head for it :twisted:
Lovefist233
01-11-06, 17:44
personally I prefer IE7 to firefox simply because it's easier to use, has more handy features and runs faster under windows than FF does, I do use FF for when I don't want M$ to see wot im lookin at (does that work?)
I won't be upgrading to vista straight away because i only just got XP 64-bit, but im building my dad a pc which i will put vista on as I can get the full version of vista free from my uni's MSDNAA page.
As for linux, ive never had a linux install that did everything windows could out of the box, so i wont be using linux for more than my networking module at uni, although fedora core 5 has way cooler games than vista.
Amazon says... http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_sw_h_/202-5325345-0880650?url=search-alias%3Dsoftware&field-keywords=windows+vista&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go
PC world says...
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/editorial/windows_vista
although these are not OEM or upgrade, they're bluddy expensive!
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I just ran the Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor and with the amount of my installed software that its not compatible with I don't think I'll be getting it any time soon either :?
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Just buy pro with business upgrade, its far cheaper than buyin Vista alone.
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:roll: Who Doesnt? :P :lol:
when try use voucher and cannot select aria has computer reseller. I get the message
\"If your Computer Reseller is not listed, your OEM may have a direct offer for Windows Vista Upgrade Products. Please contact your OEM directly for further details. \"
do you have special site to register vista express upgrade like dell?
[quote:9718fd7c9d=\"digiflip\"]when try use voucher and cannot select aria has computer reseller. I get the message
\"If your Computer Reseller is not listed, your OEM may have a direct offer for Windows Vista Upgrade Products. Please contact your OEM directly for further details. \"
do you have special site to register vista express upgrade like dell?[/quote:9718fd7c9d]
I think this is being discussed in this thread:
http://www.aria.co.uk/lucy/viewtopic.php?t=1085
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