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TBH mate a 14mhz oc on the fsb isn't alot, how are you overclocking? Bios or windows based? Personally i never got much of an oc from any windows based system, around 10% on the fsb at best, so not much better than yourself. Bios is THE only way to get decent results imho.
First find the cmos / bios reset jumper / switch on your mobo.
Set the HT multi to x4 (its at x5 by default and it might not be listed as HT in all mobos bios's's''s) this will keep the HT under the magical 1000mhz limit until you reach 250 fsb. :wink: .
Next up what memory do you have? unless you have some overclocking memory thats rated above 200mhz (ddr400) you may need to loosen the timings or up the voltage a notch (0.1v) most is ok upto 2.8 volts but check your memorys manufacturers webby first please before upping the volts, best to loosen the timings to 3-4-4-8 (get cpu-z install and run, the ones you need to change are the top 4 as listed under the memory tab) Failing that run it on a divider set it to DDR 360 or 333, maybe listed a 6:5 or 180 etc in the bios under the memory speed settings.
Once thats all done ^^^ then try upping the fsb in bios again i would expect you to get a much better overclock then your current one by learning your way round the bios and experimenting, once you are more confident then you can start upping the voltages a bit.
Hope that helps a bit mate.
Bah there must be a way to change other stuff, you might have to change something else first. Try googling for \"overclcocking (insert your mobo here) as i find it hard to believe your mobo has less overclocking options than my matx mobo.
Also running 3 sticks of memory might be having adverse affects too try pulling 1 out, but make sure you still have the sticks in the correct slots to run dual channel.
What Mainb do you have ELRobin?
If it's crap ram is probably won't overclock very high. You could try either locking your ram if you have the option, or like I did, just lower the RAM speed to compensate.
I have PC3200 ram, but run it at 333MHz so I can clock higher without stressing the ram.
El Rob,
You want to play around in JumperFree Configuration
Section-Page 2-28 of the Manual
http://dlsvr01.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socket939/A8N-E/e1911_a8n-e.pdf
Yeah, that link was very slow :(
BTW, your Memory is going to be the Limit, you might need to Ratio MEM:CPU down from 1:1 to 2:3 or 4:5
2:3 mem runs at 2/3 of the CPU FSB
but you might get away with Upping the CAS latencys
If your System won't POST ( cos you have pushed it too far ) clear the CMOS with the CMOS Clear Jumper
Or ( works with AWARD Bios at least ) try ALT+INSERT when powering on
This Takes you to fail Safe BIOS Mode ( All settings at Stock) This is handy as it keeps your settings so you only need to undo what you last tweeked.
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BTW, your Memory is going to be the Limit, you might need to Ratio MEM:CPU down from 1:1 to 2:3 or 4:5
2:3 mem runs at 2/3 of the CPU FSB
but you might get away with Upping the CAS latencys
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Actually the A8N has a MaxMemClock feature, its not Ratios
Section 2-21 of the Manual
A8N-E mobo is the only AMD one i own - and personally i find it to be a large wast eof money- but was good on teh budget.
I wouldnt bother m8, why overclock a brand new X2 ???
Overclockings just running out your new HW before you get the chance to use it to its full potential itself...
You'll probably find you'll get better picture/performance by tweaking you nvidia (if ur on a nvid card) ;) to individual program settings.
i only OC to get the last bits out of my hardware -
why put extra strain and risk on a nice new expensive peice of kit ? especially when it voids the warranty 8-)
and it probably did overheat- as your at 51 deg now :) but i didnt find the A8N-E had the overheat bios bit set up itself.... could have been diff revis of bios tho :)
Why not Overclock a new X2? Squeeze every last bit of performace outta it as you can...
For Example:
Buy AMD X2 4400 for £150
Overclock to the performace of an FX60 which are £530
Saving £380
El Robin, just got myself an X2 4400 too, then new price drop and the sad fact that AM2 is about to swallow 939 almost forced me to buy ;)
Slapped it in my mobo, dropped HTT to 4x, ram to 333fsb, pump up both HTT, NF4 and CPU voltage and bang up FSB.. Easily reached 2.6Ghz from its native 2.2 very stable... Will push it further when its been running a while..
http://www.tweakingvista.co.uk/stuff/cpu.gif
http://www.tweakingvista.co.uk/stuff/cpuz.gif
Ideling at about 33 degrees, few hours of Prime saw it rise to 46.. Plenty of room ;)
See how Arithmetic beats that of an FX60 :o Also thrashes the X2 4800 which is currently more than £50 extra...
Will post when I push the baby to 2.8Ghz
Not sure where you're getting a default X2 4400+ speed of 2.2GHz from. My 4200+ runs at 2.2GHz at stock. Surely the 4400+ should be faster?
Hmm. but what actually uses the processor @ 100% - or have i been working on intels far too long :P
I find it near impossible to max out this cpu :shock: even monitoring in game both \"Cores\" are never flat to 100% (when its hyperthreaded,not dual cored...)
Hi Barley,
4200 and 4400 have same clock speed, but the 4400 has 1MB L2 on each core, as the 4200 has 512kb.
Same with the 4600 and 4800, same clock just more cache.
Pulled out my Venice 3000 for this X2 which was running at 2.6Ghz too, not much difference with the cache to be honest, BUT I can isolate a lot of backround stuff I do onto 1 core, and play WoW, CS, BF2 just on another.. Wikkid bit of magic, love it!
Anyone after a mega overclockable Venice 3000? :wink:
Was cheap enough to make my bro a £350 budget pc ? :lol:
on 5040 - the grayed out bits is just the information ... ?
on 5041- they grayed out because its on auto ??
What chipset is it on ? nvidia isnt it ??
if so Aibooster probably wont get as much as nvidias tuning software :D
try that, will tweak your bios then require reboot :) has 'safe' overclock built in so if u go to far it'll bleep alot and then ask you to reboot - or at worse reset the bios jumper
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You might wanna check the link urself :) as i can browse pretty much anything on there using the *parent directory* icon ;)
Have you upped any voltages at all? You might get a better overclock if you tweak the voltages a tad but keep an eye on the temperatures. Going by the voltage readouts you have pictues of i am guessing you are at stock volts.
Have you changed the HT multi to 4? As if its set to 5 you will be well over the recommended 1000mhz.
First, what's your CPU doing at 51deg cel? That's way too hot if you're not actually doing anything! Have you got your HSF fitted properly?
As for your CPU settings, you're using the wrong part of the BIOS to overclock it. I have the same BIOS.
Go to Advanced, then choose Jumperfree Configuration. Set the Overclock Profile to Manual, then you can tweak away. But beforehand, go into Advanced, DRAM Configuration, and change Max Memclock from 400MHz to 333MHz.
Pictures to follow.
Ok here's some pictures.
http://www.onlybarley.co.uk/pictures/ranoverclock.jpg
First you need to find something that looks like the above screen. I let my motherboard detect my ram's settings, although you can set them manually yourself. All I changed was the Memclock from 400MHz to 333MHz. What this does is effectively underclock the ram, so when you overclock the cpu, it doesn't overclock the ram as well.
http://www.onlybarley.co.uk/pictures/cpuoverclock.jpg
Ok now the cpu. Set it to manual so you can change settings. Next lock your PCI-E lane to 100MHz and your PCI lane to 33MHz. This stops your other bits of hardware being overclocked as well. That would be a bad thing.
Then increase your cpu voltage a little, and push the frequency up.
That's what I've done, and I'm writing this with the CPU at 2.59GHz :D
http://www.onlybarley.co.uk/pictures/overclock.jpg
Yeah always overlock from the BIOS, never works properly from AI in Windows :)
[quote:20f68492c0=\"Barley\"]Yeah always overlock from the BIOS, never works properly from AI in Windows :)[/quote:20f68492c0]
Amen to that, Abit's uGuru is naff too.
Looks like his cpu was under approx 50% load when it was at 51c thats why i never mentioned it.
2.4 to 2.62 is a pretty low overclock to be honest. I'd be expecting an excellent overclock to be knocking on the door of 3GHz to be honest ;)
Take it further, worst that'll probably happen is you'll try to boot the PC and it'll go £$(!\"%^*£$(_%^*!£$. And you'll just have to reset the BIOS and stick to a lower overclock :)
That's usually the point where I decide to give up, then I try again a month or two later :P
Sounds like it might be the limit, but I'm not a hardcore overclocker. There could be a few more tweaks to try, but I wouldn't know what.
2.65GHz is a nice speed for each core though, nothing to complain about :)
[quote:07eb86b42e=\"ÈL ® ö B ì Ñ\"]Just an Idea,
Do you think it would help dropping the Hyper Transport Frequency from 4 to 3, then bumping the voltage and cpu frequency?
Or would that just not work?[/quote:07eb86b42e]
Try it, won't do much harm. But try upping the FSB on it's own before upping voltage.
Sounds like it could be the limit then :roll:
Limit varies from cpu to cpu, no way to guess where it'll be.
You're going to need longer than 5 minutes to test it's stable :)
only real end to an overclocks when the damn thing goes pop :)
not recommended of course - 60 deg idle is v bad, especially on an AMD :P sounds like your cooler isnt seated properly / too much paste ? :P
Also if you up the voltage you increase temp alot without too much gain :) normally...
Arctic Cooling HSF's are right up there with the best you can buy mate 8)
The Arctic Cooler 64 Pro is meant to be the best HSF you can buy, and considering the rediculously cheap price, it's definitely a winner!
As for the inside of your case, you could tidy that up so much more.
See the IDE cable that sticks into the case between the primary and secondary connectors? Tuck it between the hard drives instead, that's what I do.
Any cables that you're not using, tie them all up near your PSU and keep them out of the way. Or if you're rich, but a PSU with removable cables. There's quite a few around, Xclio do some nice ones.
It looks like there's a lot of cabling in front of your cpu HSF, that's going to be a factor in the temperatures your sometimes seeing.
I also bought this bad boy cooler for my 7800GT.
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/vga2.php?idx=91
It made a bit of a difference to the temperature of the gpu, and is also 3 or 4 times quieter than the stock hsf on the card.
Lastly, if possible, some of these Sharkoon fans will make a big difference to your PC as well.
http://www.sharkoon.com/all_eng.htm
Robin thats probably the worst cabling ive ever seen :P
I find it best if:
You take it all out, feed the PSU cables down the back side of the case, (normally behind the 'floating point' holding the mobo is good) stuff them down there and pop the case back on...
now, put each bit back in pulling only the cables you need from round the back...
The two fans at teh back - the bottom one drawing in and top drawing out might *might* cool your case a little if theres lots of space behind your comp...
Dust it- looks like youve got an inch of dust on the back end of your card... :)
Failing the PSU trick, go buy some Cable ties, (the annoying things you feed in once then have to cut off..) get all your cables together will save you some airflow ;)
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You could buy a cheap can of compressed air, that'd help get all the dust and crap from between components.
The Sharkoon fans are indeed the ones with the texture of golf balls. I subscribe to Custom PC so that's where I got the idea from to suggest to Rob. My mate bought a few the other week and reported that they were very nice.
My Coolermaster Stacker case already came with some great 120mm fans though, so I just bought the Arctic Cooler HSF for my graphics card and the entire system is as quiet as a mouse now! :)
The other bonus is that my Asus A8N-SLI Premium comes with a passive heatpipe to cool all the chipsets on the motherboard 8)
I have the arctic cooler 64 and my cpu is at 40 idle and doesnt go much higher when under some load, i have my 2.0ghz overclocked to about 2.3 and its still staying low, it stayed at 46 while i was browsing the web and running a gfx overclock test.
I would be pretty happy with those results, my pc doesnt give accurate results as a few fans are unplugged and my side of my case is off, so the airflow isnt that brilliant, it seems to stick to the case, getting some aria bits to help with that.
erm....
not a good idea tuckin ur IDE inbetween ur hdds...
youll get them hot and the heat cant dissipate well.. so youll have hot HDDs now...
better for ur cpu but if u look up \"hdd temp pro\" click \"CHECK temp now\" and click save- keep it on ur desktop n use at will
if its over 40 ur in trouble :)
looks better tho m8 :) nice try...
oky ;) but if you move them ull get increased flow into your case-
the more flow the better basically :) if you can tuck em to one side / tie wrap them to the side of the case it will help just a little bit...
10cm3 of extra airflow is alot :) so see if you can get it.. :p
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not a good idea tuckin ur IDE inbetween ur hdds...
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*Coughs* See my previous post *Coughs* ;)
I got the idea a while ago when I was also trying to improve airflow through the case.
You've done a nice job there, looks a lot better than it did before.
Are you running at 2.5GHz now then, with a temp under load of 57c??
Mine is at 2.58GHz with a temp under load of 47c. There's still something wrong with those temps mate :)
all i have to say is **told ya so**
Why bother overclocking a new cpu ? :P you wont benefit from its full potential until M$ get their finger out their butt and make sure windows gets 100% from the cpu itself...
Vista should help with this as its built on the .net framework :roll:
if it aint broke - dont fix it !
if it has a diff name it will be on a different dye so they will have a different thermal specification :)
and if it makes no diff, why bother ? :P
you can gain the experience when you cpu is outdated
but true - experience is experience, but i never understood the \"why not\" theory of overclocking - if it dont make a diff dont bother - its just making your components run faster than their designed to - shorten the life of them- make them run hotter and give you more problems :)
so no its not like cable..
\"if you can - you should\"
I cant but i wanna :P hehe
I like overclocking because it allows you to get more than you paid for. Besides, many PC companies sell top of the range gaming PC's that come pre-overclocked. If overclocking was really bad for your PC and shortened the life span they wouldn't do it.
The sad reality is that PC hardware moves so fast these days that a PC becomes old hat long before the overclocking gets to it.
I bought my cpu with a speed of 2.2GHz. It's worked perfectly for ages on 2.59GHz, therefore I've no problem leaving it at that, netting the benefit, and sitting content in the knowledge that I got more than I paid for :D
[quote:7672891ff9=\"Barley\"]I like overclocking because it allows you to get more than you paid for. Besides, many PC companies sell top of the range gaming PC's that come pre-overclocked. If overclocking was really bad for your PC and shortened the life span they wouldn't do it.
The sad reality is that PC hardware moves so fast these days that a PC becomes old hat long before the overclocking gets to it.
I bought my cpu with a speed of 2.2GHz. It's worked perfectly for ages on 2.59GHz, therefore I've no problem leaving it at that, netting the benefit, and sitting content in the knowledge that I got more than I paid for :D[/quote:7672891ff9]
I tend to agree with you 100% mate, ever since i moved to skt939 i have been overclocking, i did dabble a bit with sktA but not much.
Yes matt you are probably correct overclocking may well shorten the life span of components to a certain degree BUT if it is done properly and the correct precautions taken there is no reason why you shouldn't get decent benefits and actually extend the USEFUL lifespan of a cpu. That is probably the termanology we should be using \"useful lifespan\". A stock cpu may usable for 5 years but may last 10 where as an overclocked cpu maybe useable for 6 but might die after 8, the numbers are purely made up but hopefully you get my drift?
As to is it worth it, well no offence to ÈL ® ö B ì Ñ but at the moment his overclock is relatively small, though he is still learning this should hopefully improve, and unless his cpu is causing a major bottleneck for his graphics card then he probably wont see much, if any, improvement in 3d apps such as games or 3d benchmarking with a minor overclock. I however, not wishing to sound bigheaded or anything but i am a bit more experienced, have overclocked my dual core opteron 165 from a stock speed of, iirc, 1.8ghz to 2.6ghz and this made quite a difference. It's perfectly stable it didn't require much of a voltage increase and runs nice and cool at under 40c 24/7 on load.
I hear ya, and those Opterons are absolute diamonds for overclocking!
My mate build a new rig a couple of months ago and bought an Opteron 144 1.8GHz. Within 24 hours of building the system, and with no overclocking experience, he had it running stable at 2.6GHz, and it's been that way ever since.
He just went online and found a site where someone had posted his BIOS settings on that exact board with that cpu to get a 2.6GHz overclock. He copied it exactly and it worked. Some people have all the luck :P
:shock: the cheeky bugger thats cheating bet he could get more though, if he knew what he was doing, lol.
Only problem i can see with that is if he had a \"dud\" shall we say and it didn't clock as well as it obviously does it might not have worked. Though he sounds like he has a good one hence me saying it maywell do more, some of the good 144's have hit 3ghz.
Believe they were on air yes with decent after market cooling though Tuniq tower or similar. I got my 148 to 3ghz and it ran everything apart from F.E.A.R. at that speed :roll: so i had to knock it down to 2.9ghz that was on air too. My 165 is on water though which is why it rarely goes above 40c.
If overclocking was really bad for your PC and shortened the life span they wouldn't do it.
Of course they would ! they want you to buy another one m8 ! :)
if they give you a 12 month warranty they will MAKE this pc last 14 or 16 months so that they can get you to buy another one..
using someone elses bios options isnt a good idea imho as each \"chip\" has its own overclocking limit- they are designed to exceed their given rate- but not by much and each chip may have minor mistakes or errors in them giving them more or less capability when it comes to Overclocking :)
if the northbridge fan is faulty replace it ?? i wouldnt overclock a mobo thats running hot - your just askign for trouble there m8.
If the NB fan is knackered and the mobo is still in warrenty rma it back to the supplier and get a new one mate, if its outside warrenty invest £10 in a new chipset cooler it may help things as overheating is a pc's worst enemy.
I agree that if your northbridge cooling isn't working properly then buy another. I find passive cooling to be the best for chipsets, helps keep the noise levels down.
If you think the entire board is on the way out though, then it seems a shame to spend more on another socket 939 board, when AM2 seems to be the way thngs are going. the other road of course being Intel, but you have only just bought that X2 4600 :)
Check out the bad boy passive cooling on my motherboard :D
http://www.trustedreviews.com/images/article/inline/1925-1.jpg
Sounds like the best tact, flog it to some muppet that doesn't know his northbridge from his modem :)
I'm planning on waiting until early next year for Vista, then snapping up the middle of the range home version and a nice dx10 graphics card. However I want to keep my X2 and skt939 board for the long haul until something much better comes out, as I really can't see AM2 being any good.
I third that motion, i'm going wait to see what the next 6-12 months brings in the way of new cpu's. If amd's answer to Conroe isn't upto scratch then, dare i say it, i'll be transfering over to the dark side and going intel for my next major upgrade (cpu, mobo, ram and possibly gfx) and i have been an amd man all my pcing life.
I just thought Rob, one possible cause of your low overclocking performance could be your RAM.
You seem to have 3GB of unmatched ram in your PC. For overclocking and any general use matched pairs usually works best :)
Either way mate it might help to run just 2, can't hurt to try anyway, make sure they are in the appropriate slots to enable dual channel mode, why do you feel you need 3gb for anyway?
Yeah i think 32bit windows can only see 3gb at least thats what i am led to believe. Still think 2gb would offer better performance too and unless your into heavy graphics manipulation i doubt the extra 1gb is needed.
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DX10. You can live without getting to work, running kids around and nipping to the supermarket.
You CAN'T live without mind bogglingly good computer graphics!! Priorities mate, priorities... :shock:
I'm with Mac et al on this one; unless you're regularly eating up more than 66% of your RAM you'll probably see better performance with a simple 2gb matched pair.
Think about how long 1gb has been the norm; a good couple of years. 2gb is advisable now, but it'll be quite a while before anything more is actually necessary
You can't have 2 sticks in dual channel and one not, it doesn't work like that.
If you don't have the RAM together as a matched pair, the system won't run in dual channel mode. dual channel only works when there's even pairs of ram in the system.
Take your hard drive analogy. If you were running two 160GB hard drives in a RAID configuration. What use would a single 160GB drive be to the RAID configuration? It wouldn't work in RAID. Just like 3 ram sticks won't run in dual channel.
The point is not running dual channel will limit your overclock, which is what this thread is about, no? :)
I have the exact same white scissors on my desk! ;)
surely shoving your ram in your KB isnt gonna do it much good contacts down :P
and u do get dual channeling now ? :) easiest way to think of it is dual - you gotta have an even number or you wont get the benefit of dual channel..
I know in my mobo if i put 3 dimms in (because of the chipset) it runs them seperate. if i put them in-in 2s you get dual-channel speed :D
6 memory slots is abit much tho =( (4ddr & 2xddr2)
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