New PC mainly for music production

[beez]

Hey folks
my mobo passed away on my current Studio PC(DAW) [AMD64 3000, 1GB RAM]
so i might as well upgrade the lot, the PC is mainly used for making music (obviously i know) so needs to be as silent as i could afford within £310 [<< current amount now in the piggy bank]

i'd love to know what you think of these parts:
Antec Sonata III Quiet Super Mini Tower (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/MIDI+Tower/Antec+Sonata+III+Quiet+Super+Mini+Tower+?productId =28369) £75.14 - NEED a silent PC, so thought this well help.
MSI P35 NEO2-FR Socket 775 Motherboard (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/Socket+775+%28Intel%29/MSI+P35+NEO2-FR++Socket+775+Motherboard+?productId=28015)£66.38 - Seems widely recommended here, P35 chipset.
Corsair 2GB PC2-8500 C5 XMS2 Dominator (2x1GB) (https://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Intel+Core+2+Quad+Q6600+2.4GHz+95W+G0+Stepping+%28 Retail+775%29+?productId=28356) £50.23 - err i heard it's the fastest DDR2 about, good price.
Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 2.66GHz (Retail 775) (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CPUs+%2F+Processors/Intel/Core+2+Duo/Intel+Core+2+Duo+E8200+2.66GHz+%28Retail+775%29+?p roductId=30242) £116.27 - keeps everything within budget
or
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz 95W G0 Stepping (Retail 775) (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR2/DDR2+1000+%28PC8000%29/Corsair+2GB+PC2-8500+C5+XMS2+Dominator+%282x1GB%29+?productId=2551 6) £129.19
depending on if i could get some extra cash

my only questions are:
well i'm not 100% on the Dual or Quad, i've seen a couple benchmarks (and what not) and they both have there advantages, i heard here - get the Dual for gaming, get the Quad for photoshop etc. but i'm not sure which advantage (or benchmarks) is best suited for music production programs, so err yea? [sure there's a question in the somewhere-what should i get]

and

i know i want 2gb of RAM since i'm not planning on changing WinXP anytime soon, but is that RAM (PC8500) what i listed necessary performance wise?
Patriot and OZC seems favored here

Thanks for your time

[Sl4x0r]

You'll want the Q6600 and more RAM - take a look at 29676 for the RAM - XP 32bit will give you something like 3.5GB - but if you're planning on using tons of samples or virtual instruments, then you'll appreciate the extra RAM.

Also - splash out on the 30430 for the CPU. I recently helped a friend build a machine (he does the lighting and sound production for a theatre in Scotland) and I've gotta say it's superbly silent.

What PSU are you planning on using?

Also - what software will you be using?

[coiler]

Hey folks
my mobo passed away on my current Studio PC(DAW) [AMD64 3000, 1GB RAM]
so i might as well upgrade the lot, the PC is mainly used for making music (obviously i know) so needs to be as silent as i could afford within £310 [<< current amount now in the piggy bank]

i'd love to know what you think of these parts:
Antec Sonata III Quiet Super Mini Tower (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/MIDI+Tower/Antec+Sonata+III+Quiet+Super+Mini+Tower+?productId =28369) £75.14 - NEED a silent PC, so thought this well help.
MSI P35 NEO2-FR Socket 775 Motherboard (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/Socket+775+%28Intel%29/MSI+P35+NEO2-FR++Socket+775+Motherboard+?productId=28015)£66.38 - Seems widely recommended here, P35 chipset.
Corsair 2GB PC2-8500 C5 XMS2 Dominator (2x1GB) (https://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Intel+Core+2+Quad+Q6600+2.4GHz+95W+G0+Stepping+%28 Retail+775%29+?productId=28356) £50.23 - err i heard it's the fastest DDR2 about, good price.
Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 2.66GHz (Retail 775) (https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CPUs+%2F+Processors/Intel/Core+2+Duo/Intel+Core+2+Duo+E8200+2.66GHz+%28Retail+775%29+?p roductId=30242) £116.27 - keeps everything within budget
or
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz 95W G0 Stepping (Retail 775) (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR2/DDR2+1000+%28PC8000%29/Corsair+2GB+PC2-8500+C5+XMS2+Dominator+%282x1GB%29+?productId=2551 6) £129.19
depending on if i could get some extra cash

my only questions are:
well i'm not 100% on the Dual or Quad, i've seen a couple benchmarks (and what not) and they both have there advantages, i heard here - get the Dual for gaming, get the Quad for photoshop etc. but i'm not sure which advantage (or benchmarks) is best suited for music production programs, so err yea? [sure there's a question in the somewhere-what should i get]

and

i know i want 2gb of RAM since i'm not planning on changing WinXP anytime soon, but is that RAM (PC8500) what i listed necessary performance wise?
Patriot and OZC seems favored here

Thanks for your time

I would definetely go for the Q6600 for raw processing power and future proof as well.

Slexors memory is a good choice. 4gb 6400 is the way to go at the moment.

This OCZ kit is also good

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR2/DDR2+800+%28PC6400%29/OCZ+4GB+PC2-6400+nVIDIA+SLI+Approved+%282X2GB%29+?productId=28 923

What PSU are you using - I don't rate the earthwatts 500w if you were planning on using that? go for this very solid and a true 600w>>>

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/500w+%2B/OCZ+600W+StealthXStream+PSU+?productId=26933

The case is a bit overpriced I would consider the below which is also ATX size so better cooling and space >>>


Styled aluminum front panel
Integrated silent anti-vibration thermal solution
Supports future upgrades of liquid-cooling with pre-modifications
Modularized device assembly
Tool-less installation
Cable-managed interior

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/Gigabyte+Triton+180+GZ-AX1CA-SDB+%28Black%29+?productId=28315

[theBishopp]

Ok, just my tuppence, but for a quiet case you really need to be looking at the Antec P180 or P182 - http://tinyurl.com/4zljx2 - it seems on checking the P180 cannot be had on Aria, but the P182 is the newer version, and very nice it is too.

For a slightly cheaper, and still-very-good-but-not-quite-as-good-as-the-P182 case, the Antec 900 is nice, roomy, and well put together - http://tinyurl.com/3757jh


The Q6600 and 4GB of RAM will definately make a noticeable difference, and I have some of that Black Dragon so can concur it is very good stuff...

For a mobo, I would consider something like this Asus - http://tinyurl.com/6okse4

but it is almost a 3rd of your budget, so a possible problem...


To increase your budget, why not sell the AMD CPU on Fleabay, plus any other bits you won't be porting across to the new rig?

I am guessing you don't need an optical drive, re-using your old one should be fine... possibly not so with an older PSU, someone else mentioned these and while if you are not using a high end graphics card the problem is less acute, you may still need a more powerful one than presently...

hope that helps somewhat

[marsey99]

i would say p182 or cm690, 182 is very nice and quite and the 690 is much better looking than the 900 and has as good airflow.

[Mul.]

I'd say you're pretty much on the right lines for a quality music production rig. What software are you using out of interest?

I'd echo everyone elses sentiments of going for a 4GB (2x2GB) set of RAM. PC2-6400 is generally fine unless excessive overclocking with low multi cpus is your agenda. Core 2 Duo's do like their bandwith but in real life the difference is difficult to notice.

The Sonata III's a nice case and I'd personally rate the Earthwatts unit quite high. If I recall correctly, the Earthwatts are quiet (hence why they're in the Sonata) and are 80PLUS certified, which means they are capable of powering a system at it's maximum power output with an efficiency of at least 80% from your mains. All in all, the Sonata's very quiet and is very good at dampening HDD noise as well.

Personally, I'd opt for the Quad so long as you reckon your applications will utilise all 4 cores. Mind, the Core 2 Duo E8xxx's won't be slow by any stretch of the imagination either and they'll be quicker when only two (or less) cores are used due to higher clock speeds, architectural tweaks and it's 6mb Unified L2 cache. Very long winded debate and really it depends entirely on whether your applications will fully utilise quads.

You will certainly need an aftermarket CPU cooler as the stock coolers won't be brilliant on the noise level front, particularly with a quad. Realistically you want something like the Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme, Noctua NF12 or Tuniq Tower with a 120mm fan preferrably at or under 1200rpm. Alternatively, you could opt for a cooler like the Thermalright HR01 which has no fan but comes with it's own duct that connects directly to the exhaust omitting the need for another fan in the case.


Hope that helps.

[beez]

THANKS for the input everyone

your suggestions lead me into more web snooping...checked out more forums/sites (silentpcreview, ****, ****, 3dgameman, techpowerup...), more prices elsewhere (******, ****, ***********, ****...)
and i've tweaked my list:

Intel Quad 2 Duo Q6600 £129.19 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products?search=28356) [definitely, aria has the best price]
MSI P35 Neo2 FR £66.38 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products?search=28015) --- £61.75(£58.75+£3del) @ **** --- .
GeIL 2GB PC2-6400 C4 Black Dragon (2x1GB) [B]£37.54 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products?search=29674) [thanks Sl4x0r]
or
OCZ 2GB PC2-6400 nVIDIA SLI Ready (2x1GB) £43.42 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products?search=26805) --- £33.43(£30.43+£3del) @ ******** [thanks coiler]
either RAM would do me fine i reckon, so i'll go for the most budget friendly.
Corsair 520W HX V2 PSU £58.69 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products?search=27955)
or
Seasonic S12 II 500W PSU £52.82 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products?search=29784) [thanks coiler for the ocz suggestion, these just seem quieter from what i've read]
both PSUs are rated well at silentpcreview and pugetsystems say they're reliable.

so instead of getting the Sonata III 500 (with PSU) i'm just getting a good quiet PSU, then a probably better case later. i'll probably stick with Antec since they're generally used for music production pcs (****, ****...)
so either
Antec Solo
Antec P182 £84.95 [thats alot of pennys, thanks theBishopp, marsey99]
Cooler Master Cosmos 1000 [..pennys, again]
AcoustiCase 340, Acoustically Lined Case
Cool Master CM 690 £50 [thanks marsey99] maybe but i'm not sure about the holes in the side.
The Antec 900 and Gigabyte Triton 180 [thanks theBishopp, coiler] have holes in the sides also, not that i'm bothered by the esthetics of the case...as long as it keeps quiet i'm happy.

i'm sticking with the stock cpu cooler [cant find the Q6600 OEM] since i probably wont bother overclocking [didn't even OC my AMD64 3000] but if it's too noisy or not cool enough then i'll look into the Nexus HOC-9000 Universal [thanks Sl4x0r] and all of Mul.' suggestions [thanks Mul.]
including the Scythe Ninja'd he owns.

or/and just throw this in the wood works, if it isn't quiet enough
AcoustiPack Deluxe (v2)
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just getting 2gb RAM for now (was ok with 1gb before) besides i could always get another 2gb later if i need it, right?

depending on whether Aria would do a price match, i might as well get the RAM and MOBO(maybe the MOBO) elsewhere as it still works out cheaper including delivery, even though i'd much rather get everything from one place...plus my budget suffered a hemorrhage :sad:

Thanks again folks [sorry about the essay]

EDIT:
The cheaper OCZ 2GB PC2-6400 SLi wasn't at **** it was at ****, and i got mixed up in saverstores was actually looking at the cheaper MSI P31 Neo2 FR [like twins!]

And i'll probably end up using most music production programs such as FL Studio, Cubase, EnergyXT, Ableton Live, Reason etc maybe even Pro Tools M-Powered if i get the hardware required.

Edited by mac: - Sorry but i have removed the links and names of competitors as posting them is against the forum rules.

[PeterStoba]

2GB will be fine for that, i used to run Cubase and FL7 on a P4 2.4GHz and 512MB DDR RAM, was slow but it worked

The P182 is definatelty the case you want for silence

[beez]

2GB will be fine for that, i used to run Cubase and FL7 on a P4 2.4GHz and 512MB DDR RAM, was slow but it worked

The P182 is definatelty the case you want for silence


Thanks PeterStoba, ideally thats the one i'll get...hopefully my piggy bank understands lol

Sorry Mac

[00mike000]

i wouldnt recomend the geil ram for this i mean they maybe good for gaming etc but ive heard alot of people talking about it overheating simply because it doesnt have a heatsink

[coiler]

Go for the OCZ save some money! read some of the reviews here

http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/power_management/ocz_600w_stealthxstream_power_supply

[beez]

thanks again coiler, i really really want to get the OCZ PSU it has much more respect for my budget
...only i read this
http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=47474
and thought, noooooooooo

then i read this
http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=43553
thought, yessssss (in a hmmm way)
...until i realised the post was older,
nooooooooo
so i'm thinking, might as well get the Seasonic (or corsair), saves me wrecking the OCZ in a fan swap attempt

thanks 00mike000, heatsink!

[coiler]

Thats definetely the exception, you could find a couple of bad reviews for any product :p

I've used over 5 OCZ stealth 600's and they have all been silent.

A few guys on the forum have used them in builds too i'm sure they can confirm this...

[Mul.]

thanks again coiler, i really really want to get the OCZ PSU it has much more respect for my budget
...only i read this
http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=47474
and thought, noooooooooo

then i read this
http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=43553
thought, yessssss (in a hmmm way)
...until i realised the post was older,
nooooooooo
so i'm thinking, might as well get the Seasonic (or corsair), saves me wrecking the OCZ in a fan swap attempt

thanks 00mike000, heatsink!


The StealthXstream's suffered from a fan controller issue. This was only a problem for the initial batches. My 500W version is absolutely silent with the rig in sig.

However, so long as your budget allows, I'd personally take the Corsair HX as it is the better unit in my opinion.

[PeterStoba]

Mine too is silent

[beez]

thanks again coiler, i really really want to get the OCZ PSU it has much more respect for my budget
...only i read this
http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=47474
and thought, noooooooooo

then i read this
http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=43553
thought, yessssss (in a hmmm way)
...until i realised the post was older,
nooooooooo
so i'm thinking, might as well get the Seasonic (or corsair), saves me wrecking the OCZ in a fan swap attempt

thanks 00mike000, heatsink!


then i read this thread [thanks coiler and Mul.] and thought
yaaaaaaaay
since the OCZ has been flirting outrageously with my budget...stuck up Seasonic and Corsair!
:lol:

Thanks again

[beez]

ok with no further ado i'll be ordering my upgrades today
or tomorrow morning

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products?search=28356) £ 131.54
MSI P35 NEO2-FR (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products?search=28015) £ 66.38
OCZ 500W StealthXStream PSU (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products?search=29090) £ 38.72
OCZ 2GB PC2-6400 nVIDIA SLI (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products?search=26805) £ 30.49
Total = 267.13

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products?search=28356) £ 131.54
MSI P35 NEO2-FR (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products?search=28015) £ 66.38
Seasonic S12 II 500W PSU (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products?search=29784) £ 51.52
OCZ 2GB PC2-6400 nVIDIA SLI (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products?search=26805) £ 30.49
Total = 279.93

still undecided with PSU but i got a couple more penny's so i'll decide at the shopping cart

thanks for you help folks

[beez]

...forgot to mention

since the
ASK P5K (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products?search=27298) is now same price as the MSI P35 Neo2 FR (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products?search=28015)
im thinking of getting that mobo instead (original wanted ASUS) plus it has some extra features like firewire

what do you think?

[wonderlust]

Does it have ICH9 or ICH9R? Do you realy need firewire? Is it an all solid capacitor board?

The Msi appears to have the better cooling system

[Mul.]

Only advantage of the P5K is the firewire. Other than that, the MSI's the better board, particularly in terms of holding CPU voltages better (vdrop and vdroop)

[beez]

I believe the ASUS P5K has ICH9 but the 'R' means the RAID is handled by Intel right? because it says JMicron JMB363, doesn't have as much RAID modes though

Firewire would be handy, although i don't currently need it, but if i do need it later i wont have any PCI slots left [i have a PCI firewire card] because the MSI only has 2, Audio Interface is going in the 1st slot, the ASUS P5K has 3 PCI slots.

The ASUS P5K has All High-quality Conductive Polymer Capacitors apparently
...also has floppy disk connector

[wonderlust]

They both have a floppy connector:D

The ICH9R also gives you AHCI support (hot plugging and NCQ IIRC)

THe MSI has 5 Sata ports on board + 2 Esata, If you can stretch a little more check out to see if you can find a P35 Neo2-FIR which is the same with firewire

[beez]

Thanks Wonderlust i'm going to go for the MSI, since i don't think i'll be needed firewire anytime soon, and i could always get a PCI Express firewire card if i need the 2nd PCI slot.

One thing, are you sure the MSI P35 Neo2 FR has a floppy connector?
it doesn't say so on the MSI site and it doesn't look so on the picture

[wonderlust]

Yep, i got one sitting in my pc

http://global.msi.com.tw/uploads/prod_15eed7805071a2382ad882c9741c549a.jpg

By the bottom PCI slot

If you are concerned about it's position, don't be just run the cable under the board.

http://www.techenclave.com/cpu-mobo-corner/good-design-good-overclock-good-pipe-99242.html

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3169&p=2

[beez]

lol
ah i see, the floppy connector..wasn't a floppy camouflage-r :lol:

thanks Wonderlust

[wonderlust]

your welcome, its a great board for the price

[beez]

I've order it all now
went for the Seasonic PSU instead of the OCZ
hopefully it arrives monday

Thanks everyone for your help, really really appreciate it

[wonderlust]

Don't forget the build pics :D

[beez]

Everything arrived that monday, i thought i'd give it a spin for a couple days before i post my thoughts.

Well then, putting it all together was easy enough, in fact the trickiest part was probably putting the Back IO Shield in, i didn't bother connecting the case fans for my current case because i know how noisy they are, so the only fans were the stock CPU cooler, Seasonic PSU and the Graphic card fan.

Right, press the ON button...
and i thought hmmm not really quiet :mad:, the noise obviously was coming from the CPU cooler fan, so i stopped it with my finger to check and yep i couldn't hear a thingy, the PSU (and Graphics card) is really really silent. Luckily there's a options to control the CPU cooler fan speed, i set the CPU fan to 50% and yaaaaay!! silent pc, even with the case side panel off.
After install the OS i realised how much noise the HDD made, which was due to it vibrating in HDD tray, so i just sat the HDDs on some foam on the floor of the case yaaaay!! silence again.

Then, while snooping around in the case i almost burnt myself on one of the HDDs, it was piping. Installed SpeedFan to get some temperature readings and my HDDs were heating up alot(?) the 2nd HDD was at 60+C, that can't be good right? so i plugged in my noisy case fan right next to the HDDs to cool them down a bit at a noisy cost.
I also did a little tweak, i set the case fan to the 50% speed in the BIOS so my PC doesn't start up so noisy, and then i use SpeedFan to control the case fan speed. When the the case fan is set to 35% speed in SpeedFan it's silent enough, only problem is the 2nd HDD still goes up to 59C (while the Boot HDD stays in the low 40s), when this happens i just set the case fan to a noisy 70-100% speed to bring the temperature down, although it only goes down to around 54C.

I going to buy some new case fans, and quieter CPU cooler soon then maybe i'll do a touch of overclocking.
Might buy the Antec Solo later on, as i dont think i'll need the P182.

But all in all im very happy with Quad-Core, it handles everything i thow at it.

Thanks everyone for your suggestion/opinions, it was much appreciated 8) :)

[coiler]

I wouldn't sit harddrives on foam, they need air to circulate around them. Surely a harddrive screwed tightly in a case generates less noise than a fan to cool them sitting on foam?

Consider buying a Freezer 7 pro aftermarket CPU fan which you can run at full whack with little noise.

[wonderlust]

[quote=coiler;49001]Surely a harddrive screwed tightly in a case generates less noise than a fan to cool them sitting on foam?

quote]

It may be quieter but it still will not cool it! I have a couple of Medion 500Gb Esata/USB enclosures took the 500Gb's out and used them in my tower :) replaced a couple of older seagate 200Gb (7200.10) drives in the caddys, they run at around 60 degrees C which is way too much inho.

[QuickShotProductions]

what sort of music productions ? gonna get an asio card? good for low latancy, much much better than direct x :p.

[QuickShotProductions]

something sitting on foam generates less noise than something tight against metal. sound travels better through solids, which is why in soundproofing you use trapped air to stop things from getting past. double glazing dot com


is there such thing as a double glazed computer?......why did i even bother asking such a stupid question. -slap-

[PeterStoba]

You could get some rubber to mount your hdds, antec P series' come with them, and some others too but i am sure you could buy some.

Xilence red wing fans are good and silent too!

[coiler]

[quote=coiler;49001]Surely a harddrive screwed tightly in a case generates less noise than a fan to cool them sitting on foam?

quote]

It may be quieter but it still will not cool it! I have a couple of Medion 500Gb Esata/USB enclosures took the 500Gb's out and used them in my tower :) replaced a couple of older seagate 200Gb (7200.10) drives in the caddys, they run at around 60 degrees C which is way too much inho.

may be quieter but I can't see foam helping dissapate heat!

Have them in case screwed in then with a fan. but i wouldn't like my HDD to be sitting loose in the bottom of case on foam ! :lol:

*edit* They are also designed to be run without additional cooling so I personally wouldn't worry about fans anyhow

[wonderlust]

I cannot find the link, but Google, who run 1000s of drives, discovered that running a drive cool (mid 20s to mid 30s iirc) is just as bad as running a drive hot.

Personally I still prefer to have my drives running cool, imho its better to have a cool/quiet system than a hot quiet system!

[wonderlust]

Found it!


"In our study, we did not find much correlation between failure rate and either elevated temperature or utilization."

http://research.google.com/archive/disk_failures.pdf

[beez]

And here is a picture of the ugly mess, although im not into the looks, just the shush...thought i'd take a snap since i was putting in my other HDD (under the DVD drive) to get some files of...and i know im asking for the 59C (when case fan @ 35% speed) since the second HDD is underneath the one your seeing at the bottom, snug :lol: (changed it slightly now though) the case fan is in the blue holder on the right of the HDDs.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8003/photo027fe9.jpg

[beez]

what sort of music productions ? gonna get an asio card? good for low latancy, much much better than direct x :p.

I've got an EMU 0404 PCI card, i think it's great, low latency and i love the PatchMix DSP mixer application for it.

[wonderlust]

I would have run the floppy cable under the motherboard to aid airflow

[beez]

I would have run the floppy cable under the motherboard to aid airflow
ah ha! good one.

I forgot to mention that i not sure if my OCZ nVidia SLi PC2-6400 is functioning correctly, because in CPU-Z (v1.45) in the 'Memory' tab it has 5.0-5-5-15 2T, i'm sure it's suppose to be 4-4-4-15 1T (as it says on aria.co.uk) and it also says this in the 'SPD' tab under 'EPP #1'

i'm guessing i'm doing something wrong? any ideas anyone?

[wonderlust]

you will probably have to set them manually in the Bios.

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll177/teddyformandy/IMG_0071.jpg

Pic of floppy cable run behind motherboard :D

[QuickShotProductions]

Tut tut. your computer wonderlust..... Wheres all the mess like a real computer?? lol

[wonderlust]

lol, Thats my server, its on 24/7 so needs good air flow :)

BTW thats not the full system, that was a part way through build :D

[beez]

Tut tut. your computer wonderlust..... Wheres all the mess like a real computer?? lol
hehe


you will probably have to set them manually in the Bios.

any tips on setting the BIOS?
I could get the CAS# Latency, RAS# to CAS#, RAS# Precharge, tRAS, Command Rate settings from CPU-Z's EPP #1 column
but the BIOS has these other settings TRFC, TWR, TWTR, TRRD, TRTP that i'm clueless to, any ideas where i can find out these settings?

[PeterStoba]

Leave the others usually, just set them to 5-5-5-18 2T (5-5-5-15 if you can)

[beez]

yep i've set them, the EPP readings shows up in the 'Memory' tab now, thanks