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i have somthting of a problem (yes i know i have more than 1 hehehe) i just received a 8200, great chip btw and overlooked by the masses, and after some intital testing it seems it can strech its legs well in excess of what my mobo is capable of.
i have pushed the fsb a touch but i have left the volts at less then my mobo defaults to and had no problems hitting 3.6ghz but i still get random bsod. now i know its not the cpu as it sailed thru the stress test with out even breaking a sweat and the ram is well within its comfort zone which leaves me thinking my mobo is at its edge.
now onto the problem, x8 multi. after looking around i see people running high fsb on the older 965 chipset but not so many hitting those speeds on the newwer sets from intel and nvidia. so....do i go x38/45/780/750 or do i go for a 965 that has a proven record of high fsb.
i would like a mobo with pcie2 next but this has thrown a spanner in the works.
what do you think boys and girls?
wonderlust
10-04-08, 13:37
Did you update to the latest bios?
yea,but im thinking about dropping it a revision as both 803 and 901 support the 45nm......
sat thinking just and i wonder if i drop my ram speed will it allow a higher fsb? im running ddr1000 and this only supports ddr800, will test later.
ty btw :)
See you are running 4gb, is that 4 sticks or 2? Could be memory controller if you are running 4 sticks?
Scratch that i see its 2 sticks.
Go for a proven mobo, p5b deluxe.
Personally, I'd opt for boards designed specifically for wolfdale like P35 and X38/X48. Most P35's have been round since ~May-August 2007 so they've all got fairly mature BIOS'.
My money would be on the MSI P35 Neo2 Fr, Gigabyte P35 DS3R/DS4 and Asus P5K-E. All of them should be fine for the 450FSB+ you're in need of.
yea m8, 2x2gb stix. that was somthing i thought about when i picked these up but i now wonder if i may get more with just the 1 stick????
slower ram speed did not help and i an unable to force my cmos to flash with a downgraded bios......
hhmmm neo or p5b dlx both in the same price range now..........
.......head hurts
wonderlust
11-04-08, 16:31
yea m8, 2x2gb stix. that was somthing i thought about when i picked these up but i now wonder if i may get more with just the 1 stick????
slower ram speed did not help and i an unable to force my cmos to flash with a downgraded bios......
hhmmm neo or p5b dlx both in the same price range now..........
.......head hurts
Unless I am searching Aria wrong the P5b deluxe is a P965 the Neo2 is a P35 board...
nope, thats spot on that lusty.
wonderlust
11-04-08, 16:59
Ok, so where is the dilema? P35 Neo2-FR all the way.
unless you want the only 30 day warranty :D
lol :D
but the p5b is alot of mobo for the cash and it has a proven record of high fsb.
wonderlust
11-04-08, 17:47
how high you shooting for?
My P35 does 475 before my Q6600 chockes YMMV
"YMMV"?
English translation anyone?
P5B Deluxe is well known to be good for 500+fsb, assuming the cpu is good for it.
wonderlust
11-04-08, 18:27
your millage might vary
Your Mileage May Vary.
P5B Deluxe is indeed a proven board. However, so are all the popular P35's now and they have formal Wolfdale and Yorkfield Quad 45nm support. Most good P35's like the P35 Neo2 Fr, P5K-E, Gigabyte P35 DS3R will take you to around 450-480FSB on a Quad and sometimes higher. On a Dual Core like the E8200, 500FSB is generally quite easily to manage.
My money would still be on the P35 Neo2-Fr as it's a new board with the latest upper mainstream chipset for under £70. It overclocks well, has a refined BIOS and personally I think the board layout's quite good.
i would like to get 500 for 24/7 use and maybe a bit more for the bench runs, i mean i need to get back up near the top of those charts :D
id say p35 , ive had 480 on my gigabyte ds3/e8400
what multi was that on tho gm8, 9 or 8?
well it seems i didnt listen to any of you :D and i went for the bb p5b dlx. it turned up this morning and i am happy, it seems to be the wifi version as it has the add in card and mad looking mic, but the wifi antena is missing. im sure the bay has one kicking about.
so i will be testing it over this weekend and will let you know how it goes :twisted:
think good thoughts people.
Go for a proven mobo, p5b deluxe.
Ahem ;)
I would've still got the P35 as they're simply the P965 replacement but the P5B Deluxe isn't a bad board by any stretch of the imagination. Recommended it a lot before the P35.
Ahem ;)
lol ok mac, sry, you was the only one i listened to :D
its been some fun i will tell you. stuck the 8200 in first in hope that it might just tell me it didnt know what it was and that unlease its full power bs. it did and i was over the moon and once i set the bios dropping the **** i dont need it refused to play ball, nothing i tried would work untill i put the 4300 in it. plain sailing from that point really, ez flash is a p.o.p and then once i put the 82 back in its been cool.
just sticking software back on now as ive done a fresh install, will get some pics and screens up once i test the board a bit :twisted:
hmmm
it worked well for about 5 or 6 hours yesterday, ran some basics tests with everest and sandra and gamed for a bit, all was well. came back this morning and pressed the button and it sprang to life for about 3 seconds and died. it repeated this about 6 times then finally gave up trying.
tested it with different cpu, ram, gpu, with/wo sound card, psu, hdd, dvd (both ide and sata for both types of drive) and it keeps doing the same resetting loop.
so you guys think the neo2 fr is the best then :) must be macs fault :D
Tried a CMOS clear?
Yeah my vote still goes to the MSI P35 Neo2 Fr. Just return this board before it's too late. Don't know how long the B Grade return period is at aria.
30 days
lol, yea, very little i didnt try. swapped out every other componant and still the same.
its a real shame as its the wif version with a few extras over the vanilla p5b dlx.
Meh i got 3 p5b's in various guises and mine all work perfectly, guess yours was returned and tested with no fault found, obviously it is faulty??
mac i have spoken with a few people all with p5b's like your self and everyone of them only had good things to say about them. none had any issues but i guess qa might of been on dinner when that board was finished. i tried everything i could think of to breath life back into it but failed to get it to stay on for more than a couple of seconds.
right this minute i am leaning towards the p5nd for its pcie2 and the posability of going sli or even using a second card for physics in the future as these are things i cant do on the neo2.
If you're convinced that SLI is the way to go for you, then I'd go for a board that supports dual 16x speed PCI-Express, so the nForce 780i. The P5N-D has an annoyingly large passive cooler sat right next to the CPU and only supports PCI-E 8x/8x for SLI, like your 650i.
Buying an SLI board for the sake of scope for SLI in the future doesn't make much sense if you ask me when it's quite likely that by the time you want the second card, a faster single card is around. We know that nVidia's GT200 codenamed chip and ATi's RV770 codenamed chip aren't too far away now anyway.
PeterStoba
23-04-08, 18:07
The 4800s are in production...
yea, the pci2 has double the bandwidth of 1 so it is in essence 2 x16 pcie1, i went for the p35 ds3r for a couple of reasons. the p5nd is my mobo with another chip under the nb heatsink that adds pcie2 support, and thats it theonly upgrade to the hardware. it does have some new bios options that mine lacks but after some thought i figured i would like a new mobo not a slighlty modified version of the one i have. i know alot of people who have had very good experiances with this board and i have never had a gigabyte board or an intel chipset.
so after years going up the nforce range im switching to a blue mobo.
mul its only at high res (above 1600 by 1000/1200) that 2 16x slots opens up any real advantage over the 2 8x that is on this 650, at and under that the performace gap is only around 3% but heres the kicker, im not really a fan of multi card setups as i dont see the gains in performance worth the extra power needed or heat created in my case. i picked this board due to the fact that it had the c55 nb chip which clocks like stink and it was about as much as i could afford at the time.
o and if your wondering the neo2 was out of stock.
I understand that only at a high resolution, the difference widens. But the simple fact is, SLI only makes sense at high resolutions so on those grounds, what I've said is entirely justified. A single 8800GTS/GTX runs most games quite fine at resolutions under 16x12 and generally with a second one, the increase in outlay hardly ever warrants the performance increase. SLI is for those that run at rediculous resolutions. It's difficult for anyone to justify an SLI setup at lower resolutions or with a CPU any slower than what you've got now.
The Gigabyte P35 DS3R is a fine choice. It's solid built, proven and a very good overclocker. It'll overclock better than the P5N-D and most certainly better than your P5N-E.
dp ftw
p35 ds3r is in and running, intial testing looks very good. its still got stock cooling on the nb and tbh its reading 19c as the highest ive seen so far and it has been stressed a bit.
superpi will be getting a beating over the weekend me thinks :D
19c is a false readout unless it's not a warm sunny day like over here and you've got your windows open and running your system without a case :D
Hope it all works fine. I should imagine it will.
gone upto 21c after some gaming, gpu was upto 54c. only thing is im not happy with my cpu temp, its about 4 or 5c higher than normal so i think i caked my paste lol.
thing is im not sure where the temp sensor is for this board so i will do some investigating. if its on the side of the board near the ram its in a wind tunnle between the 140mm fan in the bottom, the 120mm in the 3rd/5th drive bays (both in) and the 120mm in the roof (out).
at that time the room was 22c and my case was 25c. i have thermal probes all over my case from the asaka fan controller which reads temps from the bottom front of my case under my hdds, i have one behind my mobo under the cpu, one at the top of the case with on the dvd ds and another sticking thru a hole in the top of my case at the front out of the way of my exhaust draft.
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my false reading says -2c so im sure thats a dud as noway in the world is it that cold in here :D
To avoid the hassle of temp probes, use your CPU's DTS sensor's for temperature monitoring. They'll do a better job than a thermal probe on the underside of the socket.
well, i have found out i had 2 temps mixxed up, what i thought was the mobo is the cpu and vice versa, so its was my cpu that is sitting in the low 20s and my mobo in the low 30s (from everest and speedfan) so i did get the paste right.
20's doesn't seem quite right for the CPU. Realtemp seems to be the best app for the 45nm Dual's
well its the only one atm that gives them the right tjunction but i have ajusted speedfan so it too is right.
sat here now with my cores between the min (they are stuck i know it) of 26/31 and the jump up to 33/33 when they are working as i am fininshing my install as we speak.
cpu reading goes from 21 to 24c. this is running 500x7 on 1.25v.
like i said earlier tho mate my case is a wind tunnle with some of the best air cooling money can but bolted to my mobo.
also i have read about a trick which i tried with as5 and it seems to work wonders.
PeterStoba
25-04-08, 18:16
What's the trick?
33/33 load doesn't seem quite right and it might leave me to believe that the DTS temperature scale is diverging on your CPU. Realtemp is meant to take this into account and give you a more accurate readout.
According to the publisher of Realtemp, after letting his chip run to the point that it throttled, he found that the Tjunction for the E8's was 95c.
Not trying to rain on your parade or anything but all I'm saying is that you should do a bit of experimenting to be sure that those temperatures are right because you must have some seriously low room temperatures to be managing that No amount of fans or heatsinks will change that.
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/6424/86743231wg7.png
like i said i have adjusted speedfan because of the fact that the tJ is 95c
26/31 seems ok. What about load?
Apologies, I'm not trying to be annoying, simply checking that the temperatures seem about right.
that core is stuck at 31, even when it loads a bit and the other moves it wont. not a big issue as they are only ment to report temps accuratly at higher anyway.
hold on and i will run orthos as is and post an img.
i too found it hard to belive at fisrt but these chips are so cool its amazing.
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2673/76818146jv1.png
heatings on now and the room temp is up to 24c and the case is 26c
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speed fan hadnt updated and it dropped both cores 1c just after the screen.
41*c load sounds a lot more sensible.
@4.2ghz for my superpi run it was orthos stable with my cores maxxing out at 50c.
they are back down again now to with in 2c of that first img.
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ifx14/hr10 is the best air money can buy :D
bit wasted on this proc tho as i have seen these chips do 4.8ghz under a freezer pro
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