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The Linux desktop is about to get a LOT faster.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/the-linux-desktop-is-about-to-get-a-lot-faster/10372?tag=mantle_skin;content
Linux is already fast, but it’s about to get a whole lot faster thanks to a new patch that’s been developed.
The patch, created by Linux kernel developer Mike Galbraith, is 233 lines long and tweaks the kernel scheduler and cutting down latency by a whopping factor of ten.
home user = that's nice.
servers and specialist users = HELLS YEAH
if it is that much faster then you can see them getting a bit more in to specialist areas. i think it will still be a extremely long time before we can see it as a viable alternative for the home user.
CBA to read the hole thing, Are servers going to see a performance increase as well?
CBA to read the hole thing, Are servers going to see a performance increase as well?
read the article and you'll find out :rolleyes:
watercooled
20-11-10, 19:51
what version of linux does everyone use i want to try it
Ubuntu is the one I've played with most recently... recommended for a first timer, good driver/hardware support :)
There are other versions of Linux out there that are closer to windows, but I say if you're gonna try, may as well see the full experience :)
watercooled
20-11-10, 21:08
do you boot from the cd everytime or install it to hard drive like windows ?
you can install should you wish.
for a fun play around have a look for linux usb creator, it creates a bootable usb of nearly every linux available. easy to use no burning of cd's and fairly quick.
watercooled
20-11-10, 21:45
do you install your games on there like black ops etc etc
do you boot from the cd everytime or install it to hard drive like windows ?
Yes, yes you do :D
You can either run it as a "Live CD" without affecting any existing install... or you can actually install it and boot it as you would with windows. Naturally the live cd way is a fair bit slower to boot and run, and any settings etc aren't saved between reboots, but it does let you have a play without changing anything.
A while ago my old laptop killed 2 hdd's and we couldn't afford to replace it, so we ran for about 6 months on a live cd which we used just for browsing and VNC'ing to the PC's cos we're lazy :D
Blacvk ops is a windows game so no, you can't install blackops on linux.
Mr Bananna has a website on Lixungaming that you might want to have a look at.
You do install programs though.
watercooled
20-11-10, 22:29
ignore my rudeness but whats all the hype about ?
Whats all the hype about windows? :)
It's just an alternative, nothing else.
Faster, safe bla bla bla ultimatly, it's just more choice.
watercooled
20-11-10, 22:35
fair do's
i have a ubuntu disk is that any good
Just stick it in and it should ask if you want to run of the disk,
i dual boot watercooled, allows me to game in windows and use ubunutu for everythin else. its nice and fast, but it takes a while to get used to the different ways things are installed, etc. its pretty user friendly though.
will the increased speed be included in newer versions?
EDIT where is bananas games?
Toonshorty
20-11-10, 23:03
Wait till Lorum_Ipsum sees this.
He'll release some creamy substances I'm sure..
Mr. Pineapple
20-11-10, 23:12
Linux noob here, well used ubuntu and ubuntu server user.
Could anyone tell me if the speed increase will also be included in amahi?
iGoD ReLeNtLeS
20-11-10, 23:17
i dont see how linux could be any faster and my ubuntu 10.10 has bloated to a whopping 129GB, Still fast as ever. :p
would be good if it speeds up VMs though, i still get quite a bit of host OS lag when using a VM.
It will speed up any kernel regardless if it's home or server.
If you watch both Youtube clips side by side and watch the verbose mode in the black console window on the desktop you can see the speed increase of the kernel scheduler.
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what version of linux does everyone use i want to try itI don't really like to have to jump through hoops to get everything I want working, so:
Fedora - support forum is really good: excellent hand holding guides for proprietary graphics card drivers and Compiz. Autoten is brilliant for Adobe, Skype, VLC etc.
Ubuntu - running 10.10 just now, buggy shambles. When I get time I will probably install F14.
Lorem-Ipsum
22-11-10, 22:33
Wait till Lorum_Ipsum sees this.
He'll release some creamy substances I'm sure..
I run arch linux which is a pretty nimble distro anyway so I doubt I'll notice much difference.
Its nice to know its been added to the standard kernel now though.
I'm not sure that everyone will notice the same speed increase but if your system is optimised for speed it'll certainly help.
I really wonder why logic like this should live in kernel space at all,since a) the kernel has no real notion of a session, except audit and b) this is policy and as soon as people have this kind of group then they probably want other kind of autogrouping as well for the other controllers, which hence means userspace is a better, and configurable place for this.
Torvalds (always the diplomat) responded:
Numbers talk, bulls*** walks. The numbers have been quoted. The clear interactive behavior has been seen. And you're just full of bulls***. Come back when you have something working and with numbers and better interactive performance. Until then, nobody cares.
and when the developer came up with the fix here:
add to your .bashrc
if [ "$PS1" ] ; then
mkdir -m 0700 /sys/fs/cgroup/cpu/user/$$
echo $$ > /sys/fs/cgroup/cpu/user/$$/tasks
fi
Then, as the superuser do this:
mount -t cgroup cgroup /sys/fs/cgroup/cpu -o cpu
mkdir -m 0777 /sys/fs/cgroup/cpu/user
If the patch is in the kernel, it will be enable for all Linux users automatically.
If the choice is between telling everybody "you should do this", and"we should just do this for you", I'll take the second one every time.We know it should be done. Why should we then tell somebody else to do it for us?
I don't really like to have to jump through hoops to get everything I want working, so:
Fedora - support forum is really good: excellent hand holding guides for proprietary graphics card drivers and Compiz. Autoten is brilliant for Adobe, Skype, VLC etc.
Ubuntu - running 10.10 just now, buggy shambles. When I get time I will probably install F14.
Just set up Ubuntu 10.10 on my laptop. Faster than ever and no bugs as of yet.
I have kept updating every day since the release though.
New releases often cause some people a bit of grief with bugs but they usually get fixed after a couple of months.
Numbers talk, bulls*** walks. The numbers have been quoted. The clear interactive behavior has been seen. And you're just full of bulls***. Come back when you have something working and with numbers and better interactive performance. Until then, nobody cares.
Haha, Linus 'keeping it real' :). It's nice that fame hasn't mellowed him out too much.
Patch looks interesting, have applied the non-kernel fix to a couple of my systems, but haven't really had opportunity to play on them enough to notice a difference, was busy with family stuff over the weekend.
Just set up Ubuntu 10.10 on my laptop. Faster than ever and no bugs as of yet.
I have kept updating every day since the release though.I have had some updates too, and I will see over the next couple of weeks if the bugs have been ironed out.
Just about every half decent computer user has told me to avoid Ubuntu like the plague.
Been told RedHat and similar based OSs (I.E. Fedorda) are better. Especially if your looking to program with it. Must learn me Unix...
But then, I've only briefly tried Ubuntu, so I cant be sure.
Well, I've been using unix since before linux existed, and don't have a problem with ubuntu.
There's a lot of prejudice against it in the linux world tbh, because it is the one distribution which really tries to compete with M$ and the fruit factory in terms of making a simple, accessible system which is usable by those without any real familiarity with computers.
But under the hood it's just the same collection of linux kernel and GNU software as all the rest. In essence it's a very slick repackaging of debian, and debian is a very widely respected and stable distribution.
There is a lot to like with ubuntu, but it is sometimes very disappointing - the most visible problem I've had with 10.10 is the default selection of panel applets continually fail at log in and it just keeps offering to delete them. Something like that I think is pretty bad, especially if you're trying to recommend Linux to a new user. Updates seem to have improved matters, but I wouldn't like to say for sure that this is fixed.
There is a lot to like with ubuntu, but it is sometimes very disappointing - the most visible problem I've had with 10.10 is the default selection of panel applets continually fail at log in and it just keeps offering to delete them. Something like that I think is pretty bad, especially if you're trying to recommend Linux to a new user. Updates seem to have improved matters, but I wouldn't like to say for sure that this is fixed.
Sounds like you have a duff install, haven't heard of anyone else with those problems.
That said the entire panel has stopped working twice in the past week.
I love Ubuntu, i even have an Ubuntu mug from the canonical store but i haven't had a single crash on Win7 which has made me feel quite different recently.
Lorem-Ipsum
24-11-10, 17:35
Been told RedHat and similar based OSs (I.E. Fedorda) are better. Especially if your looking to program with it. Must learn me Unix...
Sounds like fanboyism.
You get some people that like RPM based distros such as Red Hat, Fedora and Mandriva and some that like DEB distros like Debian and Ubuntu and then there are others that use source, such as Arch and Gentoo.
Linux geeks tend not to like Ubuntu as they fiddle with packages so generic Linux fixes don't always work.
However Ubuntu is probably the most straight forward and easy to use distro, I would say even more so than Mint.
i like ubuntu cos im crap at programming and wanted something that was pretty much out-of-the-box easy to use. and it generally is, as well as well supported. i guess in order to simplify it for users, it makes it harder to do your own thing in it. but then, theres probably a distribution out there to suit anyones mode
Looking good :) Love linux :D
This looks interesting, wonder how long it will be till we see the patch on popular distros.
It'll be in bunty in no time I'm sure!
mshercliff
01-12-10, 19:18
Awesome. I'm happy with the speed of Ubuntu Meerkat tbh - no complaints here.
I have used Ubuntu quite a lot and genuinely like it.
It couldn't have been a viable replacement for windows for me previously because of Gaming, but now i have scrapped the Gaming Rig and have a Laptop & Xbox 360 so this is food for thought.
has this patch already been applied into any distro??
have used linuux before in both Live and installed versions of many different distributions, but havent got a clue about the commandline thing (too used to msDos LOL) or how to install/upgrade drivers and stuff
mshercliff
02-12-10, 10:30
I have used Ubuntu quite a lot and genuinely like it.
It couldn't have been a viable replacement for windows for me previously because of Gaming, but now i have scrapped the Gaming Rig and have a Laptop & Xbox 360 so this is food for thought.
Indeed. I only really play WoW on my PC and previously ran it through Wine with good results. Up to 70 fps but openGL just doesn't cut it really. I knew I wasn't really making the most of my system. So now I dual boot with Windows 7 just for games and enjoy some fine DX11 gaming. :)
Lorem-Ipsum
02-12-10, 11:48
It was applied to the kernel and was in snapshot 2.6.37-rc2.
The latest snapshot is:
snapshot: 2.6.37-rc4-git1
I am using Arch linux and currently have:
]$ uname -r
2.6.36-ARCH
So I guess it may be after Christmas or there abouts.
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