View Full Version : [OC3D] Noctua NH-D14 vs Thermalright Silver Arrow
tinytomlogan
18-11-10, 23:09
At a secret location some where in the darker depths of the IOW a bare nuckle fight to the death had happened, who one? Only one way to find out.......
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callumburns
18-11-10, 23:13
At a secret location some where in the darker depths of the IOW a bare nuckle fight to the death had happened, who one? Only one way to find out.......
FIIIIIIIIGHT!!!! sorry couldn't help myself :rolleyes: great review as usual mate :thumb:
tinytomlogan
18-11-10, 23:15
Only one way to resolve it..... FIIIIIIIGHT! Dammit should have gone with a harry hill angle :( None of the yank readers would have a scooby though!
Interesting stuff, and absolutely nothing wrong with being a little retentive in the derrier when it comes to things like this :thumb:
Interested to head what paste was used - assume you used the same paste and application method across tests ?
Also, just on a personal note, I'd have loved to have seen a brief vid demonstrating how the coolers fit... although I could just go to youtube if I'm really fussed ;)
Quite shocked at the Arrow. Mine didn't have trouble with 1.45v on my 930 @ 4.4GHz. However i was using a nice single San Ace 120x38mm fan in the middle @ 1600RPM. Temps never hit above 90C.
Hmm, interesting results, so NH-D14 is the way to go then?
Would you be able to review the Coolermaster V6 GT and have the silver arrow+D14 in the results?
Helios1234
19-11-10, 00:07
I still can't agree with those I'm afraid. I don't see how the Silver Arrow can suddenly lose efficiency.
I also don't agree with what you said about the mounting. I found it to be excellent, nothing like what you said in your video. The fan clip can be a bit annoying having to clip it in first before installing the cooler but apart from that, installing fans was very easy. In fact, I have some real issues trying to unclip my Noctua fans sometimes and it frustrates me.
I'm not saying this just to be different but the Silver Arrow is still the better cooler in my opinion and that's despite me having had the Noctua since launch and still using it now.
my ifx-14 has no issues with more voltage on my q9550 either, thats with just 1 1600rpm sflex fan in the middle.
redrooster303
19-11-10, 04:06
looks like the noctua is the way to go for me when the new chips come out in jan. currently got the h-50 but to be honest i thought it was abit of a let down.
Alexceptional
19-11-10, 07:19
I still can't agree with those I'm afraid. I don't see how the Silver Arrow can suddenly lose efficiency.
Agreed, it does seem a little odd that going from 4.2GHz to 4.4Ghz would cause the cooler to fall behind that much when it was consistent on the previous two tests.
I'm tempted to suggest there was a testing issue here i.e. mounting came dislodged or fan issues.
tinytomlogan
19-11-10, 08:24
I still can't agree with those I'm afraid. I don't see how the Silver Arrow can suddenly lose efficiency.
I also don't agree with what you said about the mounting. I found it to be excellent, nothing like what you said in your video. The fan clip can be a bit annoying having to clip it in first before installing the cooler but apart from that, installing fans was very easy. In fact, I have some real issues trying to unclip my Noctua fans sometimes and it frustrates me.
I'm not saying this just to be different but the Silver Arrow is still the better cooler in my opinion and that's despite me having had the Noctua since launch and still using it now.
Thats the joys of different rigs and different testing. I covered every base so there is no wiggle room. The results happened 3 times aswell so no room for a 'glitch'. Also every single result was varified in the video hence the reason why I did it this way as I wasnt going to be quizzed about the results.
Im happy to stand by my results but Im not going to sit here and say yours are wrong :p
Need to remember different hardware will react differently, thats why there was NOTHING between them on the first two tests. 100% the TR can not cope with the higher volts in that config though. Set up was done this way specifically to simulate an everyday system.
Im happy to stand by the Noctua and say that imho and in *MY* testing I believe overall everything taken into account it is the better product.
AmdOverclocker
23-11-10, 16:44
Thats the joys of different rigs and different testing. I covered every base so there is no wiggle room. The results happened 3 times aswell so no room for a 'glitch'. Also every single result was varified in the video hence the reason why I did it this way as I wasnt going to be quizzed about the results.
Im happy to stand by my results but Im not going to sit here and say yours are wrong :p
Need to remember different hardware will react differently, thats why there was NOTHING between them on the first two tests. 100% the TR can not cope with the higher volts in that config though. Set up was done this way specifically to simulate an everyday system.
Im happy to stand by the Noctua and say that imho and in *MY* testing I believe overall everything taken into account it is the better product.
you have to take price into account too.... tom it looks like your being a bit biased towards the noctua, because everyone else says its got the best mounting system, and pretty much all other results on the internet show it matching or beating the noctua in any volts/frequencys.
tinytomlogan
23-11-10, 16:47
you have to take price into account too.... tom it looks like your being a bit biased towards the noctua, because everyone else says its got the best mounting system, and pretty much all other results on the internet show it matching or beating the noctua in any volts/frequencys.
If you watch the whole video dude I do take in to account price. And looking at the complete picture the Noctua is the better product imho, I do explain why in some depth.
AmdOverclocker
23-11-10, 17:33
If you watch the whole video dude I do take in to account price. And looking at the complete picture the Noctua is the better product imho, I do explain why in some depth.
ok mate do disrespect just saying your results on the 4.4GHz test look very odd compared to ther results on the internet.
results will differ, different equipment is used on almost every test/benchmark
results will differ, different equipment is used on almost every test/benchmark
Plus test bench outside a case, and a test inside a case will yield different results.
Interesting review! Especially as I own the Silver Arrow, well the Cogage version at least.
I3R0K3N7FEET
23-11-10, 18:38
i think the silver arrow may have struggled due to less heatpipes? it may have large chunky ones but more is better to dissipate heat faster.
Short of high overclocks (4.2GHz+) it seems they are neck and neck, so for most users the cheaper Silver Arrow would be the better buy.
I3R0K3N7FEET
23-11-10, 18:58
is it not possible that the heatpipes failed? IE quality issue here not a problem with setup or testing but the item istelf failed..
did the silver arrow perform the same as before the 4.4ghz test?
AmdOverclocker
23-11-10, 19:03
is it not possible that the heatpipes failed? IE quality issue here not a problem with setup or testing but the item istelf failed..
did the silver arrow perform the same as before the 4.4ghz test?
yeah there has to be something wrong im sure if someone got it as like 1.6v 5GHz (i know stupid numbers) the silver arrow would still win, i mean if you look at all other reviews that use an i7 at 1.45v+ tom's is the odd one out.
and besides, the sudden loss of efficiency that dramatic just doesn't happen.
I3R0K3N7FEET
23-11-10, 19:10
that doesnt mean that toms review is wrong.. :/ it just means that he had one that got nerfed which is clear to see..
AmdOverclocker
23-11-10, 19:16
that doesnt mean that toms review is wrong.. :/ it just means that he had one that got nerfed which is clear to see..
i never said it is.
I3R0K3N7FEET
23-11-10, 19:18
personally i dont like the look of huge heatpipes...
AmdOverclocker
23-11-10, 19:22
personally i dont like the look of huge heatpipes...
i don't like the look of UGLYYYYY noctua fans (and there a rip-off) :P
I3R0K3N7FEET
23-11-10, 19:24
they perform great and they are quiet. one of the reasons they cost so much is beacuse they have a very long life span iirc 10-15 year warranty, they are v low noise and they have good air pressure to air flow ratio thus they cool pretty good compared to high cfm fans.
they do look like vomit thought....
Yeah they may seem a rip-off but they are well made with quality bearings, so they last for ages and remain quiet.
Shame about the colour like you say.... lol
tinytomlogan
23-11-10, 20:46
Yes mate I did try the older one on one test and it was the same as the 2nd version they sent.
I3R0K3N7FEET
23-11-10, 21:07
@ TTL sorry that answer was LIS
what was that reply to?
tinytomlogan
23-11-10, 21:47
Even Im not sure now LMAO, some one asked if Id tried the original heatsink aswell and if they performed the same /confused
The Noctua Fans are epic and TBH in a white rig look the dogs.
I3R0K3N7FEET
23-11-10, 22:11
hmm i asked if you re tried the silver arrow at earlier clocks to see f it performed the same as before?
and yes.. when in a white case noctua fans do look like dog balls.
Helios1234
24-11-10, 14:17
Totally agree with AMDOverclocker on this.
Even though Thermalright say it's a design feature the bowed base on their coolers can cause problems as some people have got big temp drops by lapping the base of Thermalright coolers.
Notice the big gap on the left due to the mound in the middle.You can rock a straight edge back and forth over it.
http://i32.tinypic.com/14ce900.jpg
redrooster303
17-05-11, 23:50
Not bad if you wanna cool half a chip:)
I never bothered with my HR-02 and that works ok.
But then again i dont have an obsession with temps. :)
Even though Thermalright say it's a design feature the bowed base on their coolers can cause problems as some people have got big temp drops by lapping the base of Thermalright coolers.
Notice the big gap on the left due to the mound in the middle.You can rock a straight edge back and forth over it.
I'd say the curve is done to maintain compatibility with the various AMD and Intel CPUs that feature a concave IHS. It certainally isn't Thermalright exclusively who do this, quite a few of the major manufacturers do as well.
I guess you hear more about it with Thermalright as they are popular with enthusiasts, who would very easily cut their own arm off for slightly lower temps! :chairfall:
I've since purchased a proper Silver Arrow as aposed to the Cogage Arrow and I'm very impressed with it. The fans are excellent, the mounting system is very good and the performance is brilliant.
http://assets.head-fi.org/0/0e/0ea252ec_113727d1194053211-es300-a-c-or-cabin-filter-change-97-01-holy-thread-revival-batman.jpg
:P
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