View Full Version : Virginmedia Throttling Petition
Came across this website, thought i'd share the link, not sure if it's ok to post?
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/virgin-thieves-throttling/
Throttling should only occur at peak times and only if you download over a specified limit - which has been pretermined, so your over-use doesnt effect other customers in your area.
Its a fair cop really as im sure if a neighbour was leeching 40GB all day everyday you would complain at the less than impressive speed and service.
nice idea, but it ain't gonna happen unfortunately. as for what gets throttled, afaik 50 is sill free of the evil - although p2p maybe different, a mate uses newsgroups like it's a life essential and if he got throttled he'd drop it like a stone. also has the bloke just noticed the throttling? not as if it's new. seems like a bitter 24/7 leecher.
Mr. Grapes
02-11-10, 15:17
don't be such a baby and do your torrenting at night.
most dedicated nas boxes have download clients built into them so you don't even need to leave a PC on
KarlHungus
02-11-10, 15:18
I thought 50mb customers were paying extra not to be throttled?
Does anyone (Ian? ;) :D) know what the times and limits are on a Virgin ADSL connection?
ThunderFlash
02-11-10, 15:20
Online petitions rarely work, and this is probably overreaction anywho
Does anyone (Ian? ;) :D) know what the times and limits are on a Virgin ADSL connection?
As far as im aware it should be the same as a standard 20mb cable connection, which if memory serves - around 3-4GB at peak times (5pm-11pm), before you get throttled
KarlHungus
02-11-10, 15:25
on hold to virgin now to see what they say about this, if this is the case i might aswell go back to the 20mb connection.
Customers with Broadband size: XXL (50Mb) – your downstream usage excluding file sharing traffic (see below) remains unaffected and we'll soon be increasing your upload speeds from 1.5Mb to 5Mb. However during peak times we'll need to slow you back to 1.75Mb if your upload usage is particularly high.
http://shop.virginmedia.com/help/traffic-management.html
;)
KarlHungus
02-11-10, 15:37
I just got told that but in a more complicated way :D
Lunky i dont use Usenet or P2P :D
Does that include Megaupload?
If it does :censored::censored::censored:
Does that include Megaupload?
If it does :censored::censored::censored:
Nope, thats over HTTP :D
They are only throttling upload from what i saw right?
On 50mb you will only be throttled on file sharing
Customers with Broadband size: XXL (50Mb) – your downstream usage excluding file sharing traffic (see below) remains unaffected
Out of interest, do SSL encrypted usenet connections fall under 'filesharing'?
Out of interest, do SSL encrypted usenet connections fall under 'filesharing'?
well if its all encrypted i would imagine they would have hard telling what kind traffic it was either time sensitive or p2p
Well this is balls.
XBL is P2P
Out of interest, do SSL encrypted usenet connections fall under 'filesharing'?
What protocol is it?
Well this is balls.
XBL is P2P
online gaming doesnt use a great deal of bandwith
What protocol is it?
NNTP, port 563.
NNTP, port 563.
Probly is classed as P2P then, might be wrong though
Probly is classed as P2P then, might be wrong though
I was just wondering, as Virgin have their own NNTP servers.
I dont think it is. It's not P2P after all.
Not that it matters as Virgin haven't bothered to cable my city centre street :rolleyes:
online gaming doesnt use a great deal of bandwith
Not the point really is it?
As far as im aware it should be the same as a standard 20mb cable connection, which if memory serves - around 3-4GB at peak times (5pm-11pm), before you get throttled
http://shop.virginmedia.com/help/traffic-management.html
;)
for those who don't click
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy59/su1c1dal/vmthrottle-1.png
and usenet/newsgroups aren't asfaik covered under as they aren't p2p. and if they were looking at your encrypted downloading - that would surely show a use of dpi, and that would kick up a right :censored:.
http://forums.aria.co.uk/%3Ca%20href=%22http://s777.photobucket.com/albums/yy59/su1c1dal/?action=view¤t=vmthrottle-1.png%22%20target=%22_blank%22%3E%3Cimg%20src=%22h ttp://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy59/su1c1dal/vmthrottle-1.png%22%20border=%220%22%20alt=%22Photobucket%22% 3E%3C/a%3E
That's the old table.
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5109/newtm.png
Unless you do a lot of uploading it doesn't make a difference on the 50meg pack. While all this P2P stuff is for all of the packages, including the 100. IIRC. Surely 100 won't be called XXXL because they are already trying out 200mb lol.
XXXXL
Sniperdude
02-11-10, 18:36
lots of wrong views here even after reading the rules haha its like this guys
the OLD traffic management were you get throttled for downloading to much for 7 hours still apply's
the new throttle is from 5pm to midnight weekdays
and from 12pm to midnight weekends
on all p2p, Usenet ssl connection or otherwise there have been lots of report of this effecting online games such as starwars ( i dont know why)
this is all services 50MB 20MB 10MB so if you upgraded to 50MB to avoid STM you just got stung for a activation fee and a install fee and avoided nothing :rolleyes:
"At peak times we also slow down the speed of file sharing traffic – that's services like Limewire, Gnutella, BitTorrent and Newsgroup (Usenet) traffic. You will, of course, still be able to use these services, but downloads and uploads will take longer during these peak periods. "
SilveR_172
02-11-10, 18:42
When did this come into action not had my pc for over 1 month now feel disconnected to the world
lots of wrong views here even after reading the rules haha its like this guys
the OLD traffic management were you get throttled for downloading to much for 7 hours still apply's
the new throttle is from 5pm to midnight weekdays
and from 12pm to midnight weekends
on all p2p, Usenet ssl connection or otherwise there have been lots of report of this effecting online games such as starwars ( i dont know why)
this is all services 50MB 20MB 10MB so if you upgraded to 50MB to avoid STM you just got stung for a activation fee and a install fee and avoided nothing :rolleyes:
"At peak times we also slow down the speed of file sharing traffic – that's services like Limewire, Gnutella, BitTorrent and Newsgroup (Usenet) traffic. You will, of course, still be able to use these services, but downloads and uploads will take longer during these peak periods. "
which blows to be honest
When did this come into action not had my pc for over 1 month now feel disconnected to the world
Don't know if it actually has yet. Not heard anyone complain
Though how much slower is it :S? I use MU so, and in the last few days been getting just about max speed
I find it to be a necessary evil. But I also find Virgin putting on 100mb and 200mb trials outrageous when at the same time my 10mb was ****. So slow to fix any problems, avoid if you can. I'm going to keep badmouthing them until I get the refund I want for 6 months of terrible service.
Sniperdude
02-11-10, 20:45
I find it to be a necessary evil. But I also find Virgin putting on 100mb and 200mb trials outrageous when at the same time my 10mb was ****. So slow to fix any problems, avoid if you can. I'm going to keep badmouthing them until I get the refund I want for 6 months of terrible service.
lets see how necessary when your game downloads look like this
before
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6888/downloadsteam.png
after
http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/8307/speedsucks.png
I don't see what you're getting at? Your speed drops once you're throttled? That's been established already, my point is that the whole darn network would come to a grinding halt if they didn't. It's already stretched as far as it can go in many places as they're not provisioning well enough. That's the real issue.
Unless I'm missing something.. you've got the pictures the wrong way round :S?
A lot of people don't get good speeds with virgin while others get full (me being one of them) Virgin just want to 'catch up' with other countries it seems, for the lucky people who can get Virgin Media and get the good speeds with them. Remember also it's 'up to' but should be more accurate tbh. obviously you have the 'x' day period before you can cancel if you get it installed and its just terrible speeds
Sniperdude
02-11-10, 21:09
I don't see what you're getting at? Your speed drops once you're throttled? That's been established already, my point is that the whole darn network would come to a grinding halt if they didn't. It's already stretched as far as it can go in many places as they're not provisioning well enough. That's the real issue.
ok you think its ok throttled to this level from 5 pm to midnight everyday for no reason
funny how it didnt grid to a halt before the started doing this emm lastweek
oil
the photos are the right way around mate the speed is faster before for
throttle time as it is here
ok you think its ok throttled to this level from 5 pm to midnight everyday for no reason
funny how it didnt grid to a halt before the started doing this emm lastweek
oil
the photos are the right way around mate the speed is faster before for
throttle time as it is here
You must be exceeding your usage quota for it to be throttled. If you're sure you're not, perhaps give them a call?
KarlHungus
02-11-10, 22:15
I was told today by virgin on the phone that there was no throttling currently in place for the 50mb customers.
Sniperdude
02-11-10, 22:58
You must be exceeding your usage quota for it to be throttled. If you're sure you're not, perhaps give them a call?
I will clear this up again so you understand what am say because I think your misunderstanding me
virgin have introduced a NEW management it has nothing to do with usage quota, it effects
all users EVEN 50Mb who have always been free from management
its quite simple really
ALL P2P traffic Usenet bittorrent will be throttled without question regardless of quota allowance or any other
allowance in the peak hours the peak hours are as follows
Mon-Fri 5PM to midnight
Sat-Sun 12pm to midnight
this is as well as the older management rules were you get throttled for hiting a limited
amount of download on the 20Mb and 10Mb services
they say only P2P Usenet will only be effected but there are 100's of reports of steam
and on-line games such as startwars being effected too.
AGAIN nothing to do with virgins old management system this is as well as it
I think I was misunderstanding, I apologise.
The system steam uses to transfer data, is that P2P on some level? I didn't think it was, but it seems VM have used the reshake of the rules to also throttle steam as it generates massive amounts of traffic on their network, as P2P often does. The reason is the same as what I was originally getting at though - the real problem is VM don't have the network to allow all their users to use as they normally would (not maxing the line all the time) and keep everyone getting advertised performance.
They need to invest in better infrastructure for everyone rather than pushing 200mbit services. Unfortunately, they're greedy and money-grabbing so they won't do that.
Mr. Pineapple
02-11-10, 23:50
I don't use P2P I use sites like rapidshare and stuff.
I've never been throttled and I like to download alot.
Im on VM 50mb aswell
oil
the photos are the right way around mate the speed is faster before for
throttle time as it is here
Ouch. Well not seen anyone else have that.. It's a ridiculous throttle. Don't see why you should get that every day :s?
Speedtest.net shows those sort of speeds at that time?
BurningFeetMan
03-11-10, 10:22
I noticed the new throttling clause on CM website recently. It's actually starting to get a bit if a chore working our when I can download what without getting throttle and making online gaming then a pain. I have complained to Ofcom who are monitoring the number of complaints, feel free to do the same before they alter it again.
iGoD ReLeNtLeS
03-11-10, 15:44
i think having this is a good idea imo. If you take it away you will just ahve people torrenting 24/7/365 and as it goes VM already have over subscribed nodes in most places, let alone make it worse by overloading them.
It makes it fair for all. It would be the same if you took it away, people would complain that they are not getting the speeds they pay for, reason... overloaded nodes and constant torrenting by everyone...
its Win - Lose in both situations.
wrightphil
29-01-11, 22:44
I deal a lot with Virgin Media through work, they are a massive company with huge resources, I really don't believe they need to throttle bandwidth at any time but the hours listed are only a small percentage of the day so I wouldn't be too concerned, its if they start doing it 24/7.
have they changed the times again?
it was 9am-2pm 3pm-9pm with about 3gb (dl) in each section or 5 hours at 33% wasnt it?
Toonshorty
29-01-11, 22:57
I deal a lot with Virgin Media through work, they are a massive company with huge resources, I really don't believe they need to throttle bandwidth at any time but the hours listed are only a small percentage of the day so I wouldn't be too concerned, its if they start doing it 24/7.
True, but I use my computer between 4PM and 10-11PM which would give me 1 hour throttle free.
Not that I'll be getting any sort of cable any time soon, not even a hint of ADSL2+ from LLU or BT yet; well, TalkTalk have shown interest but that's about it - no dates or anything, just 'your exchange has been targeted'.
I'd a love double figure download speed - get 4Mb at the minute, which just doesn't cut it when my Dad needs to work, me and my brother need to game and my sister 'apparently' needs to watch youtube videos of really bad music.
I'll take my internet rant elsewhere, especially since about 2 miles away BT infinity is getting installed. :cry
Sniperdude
29-01-11, 22:58
times are the same only now all p2p/newsgroup traffic is throttled from 5pm to midnight weekdays and 12pm to midnights weekend
this thread was long dead and gone
True, but I use my computer between 4PM and 10-11PM which would give me 1 hour throttle free.
Not that I'll be getting any sort of cable any time soon, not even a hint of ADSL2+ from LLU or BT yet; well, TalkTalk have shown interest but that's about it - no dates or anything, just 'your exchange has been targeted'.
I'd a love double figure download speed - get 4Mb at the minute, which just doesn't cut it when my Dad needs to work, me and my brother need to game and my sister 'apparently' needs to watch youtube videos of really bad music.
I'll take my internet rant elsewhere, especially since about 2 miles away BT infinity is getting installed. :cry
I feel your pain.. Although on the status of my exchange, it just says "nothing planned"....
And Infinity and cable is available 10miles away....
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