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Hello , I really hope someone can help me with this cos me marriage rides on it....
I am building a budget pc for me father in law an havin a real headache. here goes..
Everything is assembled ok, from what I can tell, first time i switched on no probs inserted Xp disk, install began then BSOD at "setup copying files..."
"Page fault in non paged area caused by ntfs.sys"
ok, restarted system and nothing, no POST no beep and no video but all drives and fans spinning. Reset CMOS and started again boot up this time to "cmos checksum eroor safe mode" went into bios for a look and couldnt see anything wrong, made sure boot sequence set to dvd drive, put xp disk back in and exited bios - back to blankness again. so reset CMOS again and re started without xp cd, this time get error message "NTLDR not found ctrl+alt+del to restart" guess what happened next, back to same blankness and no post. Everything keeps leading me back to reset CMOS just to be able to boot but then i can get no further.
Now the only POTENTIAL issue that I can forsee goes like this... in the mobo manual it says "ATX12V power connector ( 8pin)- the psu must including this connector for support extra voltage to maintain system power consumtion, without this might system unstable because psu cannot provide sufficient current" - great english there...
My generic psu just has the standard 20+4pin and another 4pin mobo leads but I have them all plugged in and the 4 pin is in one half of the 8 pin socket, Bios reports the voltages as
Vcore 1.25v Vdimm 1.92v NB 1.29v +12v 12.25v +5v 5.06v and VBAT 3.15v, I thought these seemed about right( I could be wrong, it does happen)
specs are
Arianet midi case with 400w psu,
Sempron LE11 1.9Ghz AM2
80GB Maxtor SATA2
2x 512 DDR2 667
jetway M26GT3- SVP mobo
If anyone has any ideas or is it just the psu for sure?? then I (and the missus) would be very grateful, Thanks in advance!
ok you have done a big mistake by buying a case with a PSU, cases that come with a PSU is a big nono as the PSU is basiclly a pile a shi* and will no doubt blow your system up. It probley is the PSU thats causing you the problems but like i said NEVER buy a cheap PSU unless you want soooo many problems like you have and in the end the system will blow up. You want to buy a good named PSU.
Buy this http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/200w+to+449w/Xilence+420W+Gaming+PSU+?productId=19868
ok, thanks for the advice -are you sure, I mean what about the fact that everything sort of went ok the first time around and what about the voltages reported by BIOS, do you know anything about the 8pin power lead issue? thanks again
well from what you have been saying it does seem as if it is the PSU, but you might want to hang around for someone to confirm this.
hope it is that cos it'be easily fixed, however I have an awful feeling the problem runs deeper - the old quote "nothing is ever easy" springs to mind!!
I would get a PSU with a true pentium 4 8 pin connector.
My mobo is AM2 and cpu is Sempron??
the 8 pins connectors were originally called p4 8pin connectors but they have them on the AM2 boards as well.
If it is a decent mobo then it should be ok with just the 4 pin ATX connector in. BUT i have no experience with AM2 setups, this experience is all from C2D mobo's. I would agree throw the psu away and get a semi decent one, whether this will cure your problem or not i wouldn't like to say.
I have to agree too.. There doesnt seem to be a common cause and that would lead me to think PSU. And even if it isnt the PSU causing the problems, having a decent one isnt ever a bad thing! :)
go ahead and buy the one i showed you.
Its not the psu chaps, I tried it with my own psu out of the rig on which i am typing. Results were exactly the same. boo hoo, sob sob.
I spoke to a couple of people one said a bios update could do the trick cos the sempron LE is a reasonably new cpu and the mobo may not have full support?? can I do this even though I dont have an OS succesfully installed??
yes, on your working pc get the new bios and make a bootable ISO cd rom or bootable floppy. Turn on new pc go into bios and set to boot 1st from cd/floppy.
Voila.
ok dig what youre saying but once i get into bios and change a few settings I cant then restart the machine without having to reset the CMOS
subsequenlty losing any changes.
What multipliers and FSB are you using for the CPU in the bios?
I havent touched any settings relating to altering speeds or overclocking
BINGO!
with it being a CPU which came out after your board, the board doesnt know what speed to set these at. Therefor the mobo is guessing and getting it wrong.
You need to set the FSB and Multiplier only to match what CPU you have.
Go in your bios and post what the above two parameters are?
ok, give me a while, also have bathroom disaster taking place......:mad:
WTF! lol leaking toilet?
just let me know what the multiplier and fsb are currently set at when you can
Riiiiiiggggghhhhhhht, cal me a Dumbass, (DUMBASS) but I cant find anything that directly refers to frontside bus or multipliers (damn this techonjargon!)
but there is something under the Power User Overclock menu that says
PCIE Clock 100Mhz
CPU at next boot 200Mhz
and there seems to be something to do with multiplying up to 1800mhz but it doesnt actually say "Multiplier" if you get my meaning
Not entirely convinced that will be the case, it was working at one point as the install was started if i am correct.
NTLDR missing is not a good sign, hdd maybe? could try formatting it in another pc?
Have you tried unplugging everything thats not needed?
Yes I have tried unplugging stuff, I only get the NTLDR message when I have the hard drive plugged in. I have tried it with each memory stick on its own and both together with and without HDD and DVD and/or floppy. Is it feasible that its just busted (the motherboard) and never was 100%?? the main glitch surely is that I cannot restart the machine without removing the CMOS battery cos this erases any changes that i try to make??
Riiiiiiggggghhhhhhht, cal me a Dumbass, (DUMBASS) but I cant find anything that directly refers to frontside bus or multipliers (damn this techonjargon!)
but there is something under the Power User Overclock menu that says
PCIE Clock 100Mhz
CPU at next boot 200Mhz
and there seems to be something to do with multiplying up to 1800mhz but it doesnt actually say "Multiplier" if you get my meaning
Is should be running at 1900Mhz.
So 200mhz is correct for FSB and multiplier should be 9.5 = 200x9.5=1900.
It may not be in power overclock usually its just in one of the advanced menus usually one of the first or second menus.
Try and find the multiplier setting to get it reporting 1900.
Sounds like it could be hard drive / corrupt install to me, any chance you can try it in your other pc?
Could that screw up my rig?? man dont wanna fry this baby!!!
If you wanna be 100% sure when you try it in another computer, disconnect that computer's hard drive, and then you know nothing will be touched :)
ok fellas, will try , still sorting out bathroom disaster aswell LOL!
ok tried HDD in this rig, and got as far as "missing NTLDR pres ctrl+alt+del" only obvious difference at this point is that on my this computer i am able to restart without having to reset CMOS. Aside from the corrupt install could it be a faulty MOBO or CPU or is it just my stupidity??
I'm sure if i could get the HDD reformatted on this compy using window washer I may well be able to re install xp but the underlying problem still seems to be that I can only boot up the machine once and then i have to reset CMOS?? aaaarrrrgggggh NIGHTMARE!!!!
gonna have to call it a day for now, will check back tomorrow thanks for all help so far - dont give up on me yet PLEASE!!!!!!!( was that desparate enough)
I'd try installing xp on it in the working machine, don't install any drivers on it just get as far as the "finished" xp install then transfer the drive to the new build and if it boots ok (which it should, i think) then install the drivers for that pc's mobo etc.
I give up!! Damn thing is dead !! Won't even go into POST after reseting CMOS !! Time for the returns dept methinks!!
Thanks everyone for your support but ultimately looks like we were beaten from the beginning by either a faulty mobo or cpu.
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