Interesting article on ipv6

[wonderlust]

http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/09/there-is-no-plan-b-why-the-ipv4-to-ipv6-transition-will-be-ugly.ars

Looks like the transition may not be straight forward.

[SENTY]

funny i was planning to brush up on my ipv6 today as it turns out to be pretty urgent we switch now although i do think thats some panic buying ipv4's

Wouldnt the problem be solved is the ISP's ran on v6 the rest of us could still use v4 job done..


but either way ill read the article and if i find any great ipv6 vids ill post them here

[wonderlust]

Quite amusing that of all things that were (now broken it seems) IPV6 compatible is Bit Torrent!

I suppose one day I ought to find out more about bit torrent, never had the interest/need to try it.

[SENTY]

Piracy comment removed Bit Torrent has legit uses too

as for ipv6 im still reading , its a long article but it seems some kind of hybrid DNS and dhcp server that can be both v4 and v6 intelligently OR some kind of IPDNS that converts v4 to v6 and backwards like DNS does with names to IPs .. because what we need is a way to exist with a network that is both v4 and v6 whilst we merge over to v6...

[SENTY]

I think all this is just a way of getting rid of NAT. we could survive with ipv4 for much longer than they are saying. IF ISP used NOT and the whole UK used a NAT adn the usa had a NAT for connection from europe you could then duplicate the v4 IP's and just those few NATS would triple the v4 address pool and it would last forever as ther are 7 billion people and 3.7 billion v4 addresses so if you doubled that to 7.4 there is one IP each which is more than enough..
they dont want that, every computer behind a NAT is unidentifiable with the no NAT way they are trying to implement v6 every computer in the world is identifiable,,.. I dont think this is the whole plan but it certainly an advantage to the governments of this world and they are certaily pushing for no NAT in V6 when we will need it eventually when every appliance in your house has an IP 160bit addresses will not be enough by 2100 or something.. without NAT v6..

[GentleGiant]

20 years and STILL not sorted.

A "Mr G Brown" wasnt in charge by any chance?????

[SENTY]

LOL Gordon brown had nothing to do with any of this, talk about chip on shoulder how did he crop up ?

[Terbinator]

Piracy comment removed Bit Torrent has legit uses too

Just no, not at all. It is not fine for you to steal someone elses work (yes, that is what you are doing) and then decide whether or not you are willing to pay them for it.

If you think its over priced then don't buy it, but certainly don't steal it and then suggest how its perfectly fair to do so on a legitimate forum.

I used to think you posted crap on purpose but now the only explanation is your actually an imbecile.

[SENTY]

Just no, not at all. It is not fine for you to steal someone elses work (yes, that is what you are doing) and then decide whether or not you are willing to pay them for it.

If you think its over priced then don't buy it, but certainly don't steal it and then suggest how its perfectly fair to do so on a legitimate forum.

I used to think you posted crap on purpose but now the only explanation is your actually an imbecile.
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hahahhahaha please dont call me names il might cry!

name a product that is pirated that isnt over priced or over taxed. the simple fact is you can make something much cheaper than someone else sells it for they are sellng it for too much and the cost of this greed is people will make their own instead of buying..

nobody ever pirated no fills beans

anyway you hijack the thread with your mindless whining if you like i just laugh every time you post terb..

have you anything intellectual to say about IPv6 ??

[Terbinator]

Snip...

Yes, but it would probably be clean over your head judging by your posts.

Also, you still fail to grasp that taking something which may not have a price can still be classed as stealing, or pirating, if it makes you feel better. :rolleyes:

[SENTY]

Yes, but it would probably be clean over your head judging by your posts.

Also, you still fail to grasp that taking something which may not have a price can still be classed as stealing, or pirating, if it makes you feel better. :rolleyes:

well come say one thing about IP v6 then as networking is what im most qualified in actually so fire away.. do a post that isnt negative and unconstructive name calling for once in your life..

instead of hijacking this thread with crying about piracy..

[Snakedoc]

Enough talk of piracy please.

[Terbinator]

What is it you want from me?

IPv6 will come around whether or not we like it. Its only a good thing as we need the extra addresses for the internet to progress and with that business, the economy ad infinitum.

The problem with IPv6 is like everything else computer related, the same business that need to grow also don't want to spend the cash on upgrading, in part, due to the now seemingly short sighted-ness of the original IPv4 engineers.

If memory serves me correct (i read it the other day) the article mentions NAT as being something of a miracle in giving IPv4 some undeserved long-life, but its not architecturally 'proper'.
At least by moving to IPv6 we(they) can start with NAT as a viable option from the start so it won't be a last resort before the next inevitable shift to IPvX and perhaps be more efficient/proper than v4's current implementation.

[SENTY]

I dont think the expense of v6 is the issue at all most equipment is capable of both that is used today.

Its the period when half the world is v4 and the other half is v6 that needs addressing, nobody want to go first as being last if the cheapest and most hassle free method we need more big companies like google to force the issue or the governments of the world to make some agreement to jump to v6 at the same time.. OR just keep propping up v4 which i think is totally possible with the 3.7 billion v4 addresses we have now.. most business equipment is fine for either, i think its the adsl routers given free by ISP's that are the problem and that can be cured by ISP implementing NAT but this goes against big business and government who want us to have an un-identifiable IP, but it would work very easily and create a window long enough for the transition to be properly planned and perhaps a temporary transitional system to be implemented....