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afterburner
26-09-10, 21:37
I used to use XP and I'm finding Windows 7 to be pretty rubbish. It does seem to be more stable than XP but I don't like the UI at all.
For me the worst aspect is the lack of email software - I know you can download some email software from Windows but you can only use it if you log on to it through Windows Live.
Whilst it's obviously naive to think that we're anonymous when using the web, this just feels unnecessarily intrusive by Microsoft.
Furthermore when I tried to configure Thunderbird as my default mail client there were problems which my email provider didn't support solutions for. Rubbish, rubbish, rubbish!
You'd think that with the monopoly that Microsoft have that they'd foresee problems such as the ones I'm having.
If it wasn't for gaming then I'd have absolutely no need of Microsoft.
Personally i really really like windows 7, beats XP a mile off. :D
What other problems do you have with win7 other than the lack of a mail client?
OK... what don't you like about the UI? Just out of interest, who's your e-mail provider? It's hardly Microsoft's fault that you're having problems with Thunderbird - and Windows Live Mail is exactly the same as what it was in Vista, you just have to download it (i.e. for some people "bloatware" isn't being forced on them - I personally have Outlook 2010 and would rather not have Live Mail bundled as it would take up my valuable SSD space). Outlook Express was terrible, I'm glad it's gone.
You've also said yourself it seems to be more stable than XP, so I'm struggling to see why you hate it.
I used to use XP and I'm finding Windows 7 to be pretty rubbish. It does seem to be more stable than XP but I don't like the UI at all.
For me the worst aspect is the lack of email software - I know you can download some email software from Windows but you can only use it if you log on to it through Windows Live.
Whilst it's obviously naive to think that we're anonymous when using the web, this just feels unnecessarily intrusive by Microsoft.
Furthermore when I tried to configure Thunderbird as my default mail client there were problems which my email provider didn't support solutions for. Rubbish, rubbish, rubbish!
You'd think that with the monopoly that Microsoft have that they'd foresee problems such as the ones I'm having.
If it wasn't for gaming then I'd have absolutely no need of Microsoft.
WINDOWS 7 ISNT RUBBISH YOUR RUBBISH! :weeee
**Takes a second to read post instead of just replying to the title**
if you think that microsoft is an issue with anonymity you should meet google!
windows live mail is a client same as thunderbird, you put in your email details, you don't need a windows live acount at all, you should probably brush up on your facts before stating something is rubbish just because you don't know how to use it
EDIT:
also windows live mail is part of windows 7 updates, so if you have updated (as you should) you'll actually have it ready installed on your pc
I believe Windows 7 will be better after 1~2 service packs release.
windows ME FTW :woot:
LOL, The only OS that was worse than Vista :lol:
windows ME FTW :woot:
May be Win98 is better than WinME... :)
afterburner
26-09-10, 21:58
The only correct analysis of this situation is that my time is being wasted because of idiots (Microsoft and BTinternet).
There's only a certain amount of grey matter that I wish to dedicate to this problem and that limit has been surpassed.
So, where am I now?
What is fair?
What is a good deal?
Don't entertain the idea of fairness in life. That is the only lesson to be learnt from this situation and my fellow man.
What a joke!
The only correct analysis of this situation is that my time is being wasted because of idiots (Microsoft and BTinternet).
There's only a certain amount of grey matter that I wish to dedicate to this problem and that limit has been surpassed.
So, where am I now?
What is fair?
What is a good deal?
Don't entertain the idea of fairness in life. That is the only lesson to be learnt from this situation and my fellow man.
What a joke!
How can your ISP have anything to do with OS lol? If your talking about the emails then you can use just about any client.
The only correct analysis of this situation is that my time is being wasted because of idiots (Microsoft and BTinternet).
There's only a certain amount of grey matter that I wish to dedicate to this problem and that limit has been surpassed.
So, where am I now?
What is fair?
What is a good deal?
Don't entertain the idea of fairness in life. That is the only lesson to be learnt from this situation and my fellow man.
What a joke!
instead of talking like your from the bible ages why not state your issue,
we will tell you how to fix it then you can accept that windows 7 is fine?
Alexceptional
26-09-10, 22:27
... but I don't like the UI at all.
If you're referring to the new taskbar you can set it back to be like the old one (right click -> properties).
For me the worst aspect is the lack of email software - I know you can download some email software from Windows but you can only use it if you log on to it through Windows Live.
I didn't have to login to live, you sure you're looking at the right thing? This is really not a major OS issue to be honest.
Furthermore when I tried to configure Thunderbird as my default mail client there were problems which my email provider didn't support solutions for.
What is your email provider? If WLM supports it I'm sure Thunderbird would too, there is probably just a small issue which needs resolving, which we can help you with.
This is also not an issue with the OS.
I hate to say it, but the main reason people love Win7 so much over Vista is because of marketing. Seriously, besides a new skin and a few changes in the bundled software it's really not that different.
I hate to say it, but the main reason people love Win7 so much over Vista is because of marketing. Seriously, besides a new skin and a few changes in the bundled software it's really not that different.
Wrong, Vista was bad in every way, and they fixed the problems in 7.
I hate to say it, but the main reason people love Win7 so much over Vista is because of marketing. Seriously, besides a new skin and a few changes in the bundled software it's really not that different.
its quicker, compatibility with drivers and compatibilty mode is amazing, search features are much better, aero features and other bits are good.
People like it because of marketing (if they don't know much about pc's) the real good features are hidden unless you look for them :) constantly installing new bits at work such as old hp printers that only have xp drivers windows 7 ahs had working easily and quickly.
also network printers used to take 10-15 minutes to setup, windows 7..
connecting, please enter ip, downloading driver, would you like a test page?
i was like.. what?! thats so easy!
honestly .. its amazing!
Compatibility is down to manufacturers, not the OS. I'm not debating that Windows 7 is better than Vista, i'm just saying that essentially they're a lot more similar than most people make them out to be.
Also... FOSS is better :p
AmdOverclocker
26-09-10, 22:57
Wrong, Vista was bad in every way, and they fixed the problems in 7.
true, it does shut down alot, and i mean, ALOT faster than vista, but they havent fixed the ram issue, i use 750MB of ram just idling at the desktop (with no background or startup programs i use about 550MB or so)
this is WAYY to much, XP only used like 200MB at the most when idling lol.
but win7 does look awesome :)
true, it does shut down alot, and i mean, ALOT faster than vista, but they havent fixed the ram issue, i use 750MB of ram just idling at the desktop (with no background or startup programs i use about 550MB or so)
this is WAYY to much, XP only used like 200MB at the most when idling lol.
but win7 does look awesome :)
How old is XP? and how old is 7? 750mb RAM is nothing really. We all have 4GB+ so it should be no problem
LOL, The only OS that was worse than Vista :lol:
Vista was fine the problem was the people who did not know how to use it
Vista was fine the problem was the people who did not know how to use it
SP2 was fine, RTM was not. Now I have an SSD though, I wouldn't want to use it on Vista just because it doesn't have TRIM.
Personally i really really like windows 7, beats XP a mile off. :D
I agree, I wouldn't be able to use XP anymore :cool:
LOL, The only OS that was worse than Vista :lol:
funny you should say that as all my bench results showed vista was just better than 7 so by your logic win 7 is as good as me?
i wasnt the only one, quite a few of us on oc.net tested a whole bunch of drivers and gaming benchmarks and for a good 95% of us vista won. it also used less ram once the os was loaded with a few apps at start up too. these benchmarks have only just with the 260 driver gotten better scores now than i was getting on vista over a year ago, so its taken a year of updated and improved drivers to get back what 7 lost to vista.
i use 7 but i think that vista was a better os, just a shame that it got the bad rep it did and people who have never even ran it were so vocal about how bad it was, funny that these same poeple love 7 yet dont notice its still vista lol
for those of you here saying how good it is, can you tell me the 3 things that are new in 7 that wasnt in vista?
yea, the driver and compat issues that it resolved had nothing to do with the fact they had been working on them for vista and what a shocker, after 2 years they had them right. its funny how these drivers also work in vista isnt it.
i love this debate as you can tell who used vista and those who didnt.
michaelkenward
26-09-10, 23:33
For me the worst aspect is the lack of email software
Windows is an operating system, not an office suite.
You can thank the people who defend you from rapacious monopolists like Microsoft for protecting you from bundled software.
Do you use Firefox? If so, then you have helped to dig your own grave.
In any case, the idea that XP is better than Win 7, AS AN OPERATING SYSTEM, is bonkers.
Remember, XP is now nearly 10 years old. Is your hardware?
funny you should say that as all my bench results showed vista was just better than 7 so by your logic win 7 is as good as me?
i wasnt the only one, quite a few of us on oc.net tested a whole bunch of drivers and gaming benchmarks and for a good 95% of us vista won. it also used less ram once the os was loaded with a few apps at start up too. these benchmarks have only just with the 260 driver gotten better scores now than i was getting on vista over a year ago, so its taken a year of updated and improved drivers to get back what 7 lost to vista.
i use 7 but i think that vista was a better os, just a shame that it got the bad rep it did and people who have never even ran it were so vocal about how bad it was, funny that these same poeple love 7 yet dont notice its still vista lol
for those of you here saying how good it is, can you tell me the 3 things that are new in 7 that wasnt in vista?
yea, the driver and compat issues that it resolved had nothing to do with the fact they had been working on them for vista and what a shocker, after 2 years they had them right. its funny how these drivers also work in vista isnt it.
i love this debate as you can tell who used vista and those who didnt.
Hmm - I used Vista extensively from release. I certainly agree that Vista SP2 was faster in a lot of scenarios than 7 RTM, but you'd expect that after Vista's two service packs. Personally for me, from 7 RC onwards, 7 booted faster, but equally it introduced stuff like parallel loading of drivers which Vista didn't have. I agree that 7 wasn't built from the ground up, but a lot of things were changed whereas 2 service packs with Vista meant they were able to refine a lot of things like memory management, which meant it was bound to be faster than 7 on release.
Don't get me wrong, there's lots I actually didn't mind with Vista SP2, but I really would miss the useability improvements, such as winkey+left or right arrow; invaluable for uni work when quickly wanting to compare graphs and stuff.
3 things that 7 has that Vista doesn't which make me want to use it include TRIM, parallel loading of drivers and Aero snap. Actually, that and the fact it runs on low power/older systems much better than Vista - I can happily use 7 on a Intel Pentium M 1.73GHz single-core machine with 768MB of RAM fine, probably faster than XP SP3. I don't have a DX11 card yet, so I can't say that's a killer feature, but the others are for me personally.
If Vista RTM hadn't been so bloated and slow on low-powered systems, I think it would have had a much better name. Like I said, SP2 is a perfectly fine OS, and it runs on medium-spec laptops absolutely fine. 7 was marketed very well, got widespread good reviews on release and the two were synergetic and caused popularity to go through the roof.
thats the point i was making nick, you and wza are the only 2 in the thread who showed they had used v for any amount of time. the new features in 7 are next to none and all can be made to work in vista.
i tried v rtm and it lasted a couple of days as next to nothing i plugged into my pc had drivers but by the time sp1 was out everything was good for me and sp2 made it even better but i was using an sp 1 install when i ran the benchmarks not 2.
i still think everything that went into 7 was going to be sp2 for vista but they knew that would take the shine off 7.
ms really dropped the ball on vista and i just wish it had set them back more than it did, i mean how in the world did they release a 64bit os that would crash if you tried to install it with more than 3 gb of ram??
really what was they thinking :|
the other thing they dropped the ball on was the services running, as vista had almost everything running till it knew it didnt need them, where 7 has them all off unless needed which is a much better way of doing it. having said that it does make vista quicker in some cases when you lug something new in while seven is working out what it is and what it needs to make it work.
but like i said, this debate really shows up those who know and those just repeating what they was told.
In a few ways i preferred Vista to 7, but now after using 7 or ages I can't remember much about Vista. All I know is I didn't have any of the problems that people kept on about. Vista apparently had trouble calculating how long it'd take to transfer a file from one place to another and would appear to hang or something while it figured it out. I never saw that. Also never had driver trouble.
I kind of liked the colour scheme of Vista too, with the greeny task pane and toolbar in the windows. 7's task pane is too plain for me and too similar a colour to the rest of the window.
Also I wasn't keen on 7's default taskbar. I have it set to look like Vista's now. Small icons with labels and no grouping. I also had to disable Aero Shake and Aero Snap and thought the window shadows looked nicer in Vista than 7, but 7 had a better blend for the glass blurring.
The only problem I had with Vista is still a problem with 7: I can't play Red Faction.
I have XP on my work computer, Vista on my laptop and 7 on my home deskop and I use them daily. In fact, I still probably use Vista the most :lol: They all have their pros and cons to them. None of the 3 operating systems is better than the other 2 at everything. But at the same time, none is worse at everything than the other two either.
But - as an overall better, well rounded operating system, I think 7 takes the prize for me.
true, it does shut down alot, and i mean, ALOT faster than vista, but they havent fixed the ram issue, i use 750MB of ram just idling at the desktop (with no background or startup programs i use about 550MB or so)
this is WAYY to much, XP only used like 200MB at the most when idling lol.
but win7 does look awesome :)
I don't think this is a ram issue, my win7 install is using 2038MB right now but this is just the os using unused ram rather than the page file. Surely the more ram you have it makes sense to make certain os files available in ram for faster operation. And why is shutdown speed so important? Seems some people don't realise what's going on under the bonnet.
GentleGiant
27-09-10, 07:52
I have machines running Win7 and XP, both have good features and bad features.
I find 7's auto repair works better when you have internet problems and conflicts, but XP transfers files far faster; 7 hides too many things from the user that XP allows you to tweak.
Strangely, I had several issues with newish equipment/software refusing to run under Win 7 because of "incompatible drivers", yet I have (childrens) games WRITTEN FOR WIN95 that work perfectly, straight out of the box.
After writing that I realised that one of the games I tested has a WIN3.1 loader!!! :eek:
Must....cling....on....to....10 year old.....technology.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Wrong, Vista was bad in every way, and they fixed the problems in 7.
I never had 1 issue in Vista, actually quite liked the OS. After Sp1 it was fine, stable as anything for me.
As many have said, I don't actually see many obvious changed for windows 7, and, yeah, it's a bit disappointing. XP was the best, much easier to do anything - no need to faff around showing hidden files and allowing administrator rights any of that B$
Win 7 is awesome. Never had any issues with it.
saying you bought W7 and were peeved of the lack of email software/functionality is like saying
"i bought a car then rung the showroom to complain when I couldn't find the subwoofer in the boot"
Its not something which comes as standard, its something sourced else where, that does a specific job.
Next we'll have people peeved at windows because it didn't include Call Of Duty as standard :chairfall:
Win7 is really good, the only thing I'm struggling with is hooking my 360 up to it......thats probably me though.
I3R0K3N7FEET
27-09-10, 10:21
So, where am I now?
What is fair?
What is a good deal?
Don't entertain the idea of fairness in life. That is the only lesson to be learnt from this situation and my fellow man.
What a joke!
what is the matrix?
doctorfonz
27-09-10, 12:04
I think Windows 7 is great, and I was a die hard XP fan. Hated Vista.
My pet hate with Windows 7 is that the search is really pants - trying to find some episodes of Coast yesterday so I tried '*.*coast*.*' and it didn't find a thing!!! ...I then found all episodes of season 5 about 1 minute later. WTF ?!?
Anyone else has this trouble ?
Anyone recommend a good third party freebie or shareware search util for Win7 ?
I think Windows 7 is great, and I was a die hard XP fan. Hated Vista.
My pet hate with Windows 7 is that the search is really pants - trying to find some episodes of Coast yesterday so I tried '*.*coast*.*' and it didn't find a thing!!! ...I then found all episodes of season 5 about 1 minute later. WTF ?!?
Anyone else has this trouble ?
Anyone recommend a good third party freebie or shareware search util for Win7 ?
You need to tell Windows to index your drives. Either that or tell Windows to search non-indexed locations when searching :P
Yeah, I don't like the search either..
I needed to find the Korg Triton Refills for Reason4 the other day.
Korg = No results
Triton = No results
Refills = Hundred of results, including the folder and the files called "Korg Triton Refills".
Oh well...
funny you should say that as all my bench results showed vista was just better than 7 so by your logic win 7 is as good as me?
i wasnt the only one, quite a few of us on oc.net tested a whole bunch of drivers and gaming benchmarks and for a good 95% of us vista won. it also used less ram once the os was loaded with a few apps at start up too. these benchmarks have only just with the 260 driver gotten better scores now than i was getting on vista over a year ago, so its taken a year of updated and improved drivers to get back what 7 lost to vista.
i use 7 but i think that vista was a better os, just a shame that it got the bad rep it did and people who have never even ran it were so vocal about how bad it was, funny that these same poeple love 7 yet dont notice its still vista lol
for those of you here saying how good it is, can you tell me the 3 things that are new in 7 that wasnt in vista?
yea, the driver and compat issues that it resolved had nothing to do with the fact they had been working on them for vista and what a shocker, after 2 years they had them right. its funny how these drivers also work in vista isnt it.
i love this debate as you can tell who used vista and those who didnt.
I used Vista for almost a year, and i use it all the time on peoples laptops and see all the stupid little problems it causes, and how slow it was compared to 7.
Win 7 just equals vista on steroids :thumb:
Windows 7, THE BEST OS YET.
2012 most likely.
2012 :ninja:
Sniperdude
27-09-10, 12:50
was on windows xp myself I avoided Vista totally but windows 7 destroys both
windows 7 is the best OS microsoft have built so far!
fullfatmilk
27-09-10, 13:49
windows ME FTW :woot:
I actually quite liked ME although it did need tweaking quite regularly*, indeed I actually only just binned my copy of it yesterday after deciding it was unlikely it would be needed again, although I decided to keep win95 and 98se :p
* tweaking in this case refers to a complete format and reload :D
Never done any benching, never used Vista, but used all the rest. Win7 is my fave so far just for usability and shiny's
GentleGiant
27-09-10, 14:02
I likes ME, I had no issues with it on the childrens PC's; I only removed the last copy of it and replaced it with XP last year.
I use XP on my old dual-core AMD, the wife has Vista on a Quad-Core Intel... and my XP install feels soo much quicker. I've used her machine a couple of times, and the hard disk noise is near constant so I'm assuming Vista needs >2Gig of ram to run properly.
Will be buying a Windows 7 family pack next month and we'll both upgrade then :D
Lorem-Ipsum
27-09-10, 15:00
I agree, windows 7 sucks!!!!!!!
Linux will rule all!!!!!!
(TBH I think win7 is quite good)
TBH the only thing stopping me from using Linux fulltime is games support.
TBH the only thing stopping me from using Linux fulltime is games support.
+1 THIS :thumb:
Trying to game in linux with dual monitors was a complete nightmare last time I tried (Ubuntu 8 ish) - not that I have the time to game much these days... as the playtime goes down so the urge to move solely to Linux goes up :D
For quick Windows search try http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/09/25/find-anything-on-your-windows-desktop-with-everything/
When Vista came out it was almost a mass beta, especially if you took on the 64 bit version like I did. Tonnes of applications and drivers didn't work for the first 12 months or so and the power required to run it seemed an absolute killer when we had all got used to our machines beasting XP. By the time 7 came out most of what had caused people to have such resentment of Vista was well sorted, 7 just offers a better degree of polish and some nice touches.
Yeah, to be honest, with the lack of good PC exclusives recently, it's ever so tempting to just switch to Linux fulltime, and use my PS3/360 for gaming. In fact, I might just do that tonight :P
TBH the only thing stopping me from using Linux fulltime is games support.
Careful Gav or you'll have to take "MICROSOFT GOLD CERTIFIED PARTNER" out your signature
Careful Gav or you'll have to take "MICROSOFT GOLD CERTIFIED PARTNER" out your signature
Haha, I keep meaning to make a different signature anyway :p
When Vista came out it was almost a mass beta, especially if you took on the 64 bit version like I did. Tonnes of applications and drivers didn't work for the first 12 months or so and the power required to run it seemed an absolute killer when we had all got used to our machines beasting XP. By the time 7 came out most of what had caused people to have such resentment of Vista was well sorted, 7 just offers a better degree of polish and some nice touches.
Well put, I totally agree.
Anybody remember the fuss when XP first came out?! :lol:
doctorfonz
27-09-10, 16:18
Things I like aboot 7 :-
7 doesn't thrash my hard drive like Vista
7 uses less memory than Vista (have actually installed it on elderly Dell with 1GB)
7 has better software support
7 has better software support
7 has a better firewall
Yeah i wouldn't say its rubbish at all really.
A shiny Vista yes, but easily the most stable OS ever.
You shouldn't have held to XP for so long.
Sniperdude
27-09-10, 16:33
TBH the only thing stopping me from using Linux fulltime is games support.
haha tell tha to my laptop that can't so much as get a wireless connection
in Linux
will be installing xp over the linux install as i give up
its far far far from user friendly IMHO
You shouldn't have held to XP for so long.
XP does me just fine for now, does what I need it to and plays the games I play for now. Also I'm not sure how well my aged system would handle 7 :D
haha tell tha to my laptop that can't so much as get a wireless connection in Linux
will be installing xp over the linux install as i give up
What version? Latest Ubuntu has drivers for practically everything.
Sniperdude
27-09-10, 16:59
9.7 (i think ) is the only version that can get passed the ubuntu logo
to install from usb
and yeah is does have a driver for my network card but it just don't work...connects @ 1mb 5 foot away from router it should be 54mb
michaelkenward
27-09-10, 17:02
I actually quite liked ME although it did need tweaking quite regularly*, indeed I actually only just binned my copy of it yesterday after deciding it was unlikely it would be needed again, although I decided to keep win95 and 98se
Talk of ME raises a point that I have seen no mention so far, hardware left stranded when Microsoft put out a new release of Windows.
XP killed a perfectly adequate scanner that worked in ME. No support for LPT scanners, and the maker, Logitech, decided not to write drivers.
Vista killed a decent DAB radio on a PCI card. Maker went bust, and no one wrote drivers for it in Vista.
One of the many things that Win 7 managed was to leave all of my hardware functioning.
GentleGiant
27-09-10, 20:30
I manage to keep a win95 scisi scanner working under XP; not tried to get it working on Win7 yet!!!
Anybody remember the fuss when XP first came out?! :lol:
Yep, it was a half way house between the mass issues of Vista and the fairly smooth intro of 7. Not really a great surprise as it was a halfway house in how they approached introducing the new architecture. XP was based largely on Windows 2000 so had the benefits of an architecture people had already got to grips with just as 7 does being based on Vista. The difference was that the architecture had only really been used at commercial level in areas with IT support and an acceptance that not all software and hardware would work. When they released XP it was the first time the architecture was put out to Home users whilst Vista took both on in one big hit (crazy fools).
Talk of ME raises a point that I have seen no mention so far, hardware left stranded when Microsoft put out a new release of Windows.
XP killed a perfectly adequate scanner that worked in ME. No support for LPT scanners, and the maker, Logitech, decided not to write drivers.
Vista killed a decent DAB radio on a PCI card. Maker went bust, and no one wrote drivers for it in Vista.
One of the many things that Win 7 managed was to leave all of my hardware functioning.
95-ME = One Architecture
2000-XP = One Architecture
Vista - 7 = One Architecture
Drivers generally work fine across varieties of the same architecture, but don't work otherwise. I don't really think MS can be held responsible for ensuring every single piece of hardware available receives an updated driver given the size of the task. Why they can't introduce a compatibility layer is beyond me though and I can only guess at potential security or performance issues.
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