AMD 6000 series chat

[Mr Moose]

The new 6850 is the replacement for the 5750
The new 6870 is the replacement for the 5770/5830
The upcoming 6950 is the replacement for the 5850
The upcoming 6970 is the replacement for the 5870
The upcoming duel 6990 the replacement for the 5970




Edit (26/10/2010):
6850/6870 Released 22nd October 2010.

AMD 6850
http://www.aria.co.uk/dynres/cHJvZHVjdF9pbWFnZS53aWR0aD0yNTA=/bWFpbmltYWdlcy82ODUwc2FwcGhpcmUuanBn.jpg

Buy Now (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/ATI+6000+Series/ATI+Radeon+6850/Sapphire+HD6850+1GB+GDDR5+Graphics+Card+?productId =42289)


AMD 6870
http://www.aria.co.uk/dynres/cHJvZHVjdF9pbWFnZS53aWR0aD0yNTA=/bWFpbmltYWdlcy82ODcwc2FwcGhpcmUuanBn.jpg

Buy Now (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/ATI+6000+Series/ATI+Radeon+6870/Sapphire+HD6870+1GB+GDDR5+Graphics+Card+?productId =42288)

6850/6870 Reviews:

[OC3D] Sapphire 6850 TOXIC Review (http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/sapphire_hd6850_toxic_edition_review/1)

[OC3D] HIS 6850/6870 Review (http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/his_radeon_6850_6870_review/1)

[OC3D] Asus 6870 Crossfire Review (http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/asus_hd6870_crossfire_exclusive_review/1)

[AndandTech] Asus, XFX & MSI 6850 Review (http://www.anandtech.com/show/4002/amd-radeon-hd-6850-overclocking-roundup-asus-xfx-msi)

Radeon HD 6870 Review (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/10/22/ati-radeon-hd-6870-review/1)

[Guru of 3D] 6850 & 6870 Review (http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-review/)

[Guru of 3D] 6850 & 6870 CrossfireX Review (http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-crossfirex-review/)

[Tech Power Up] 6850 Review (http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6850/)

[Tech Power Up] 6850 CrossfireX Review (http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_6850_CrossFire/)

(http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6870/)[Tech Power Up] 6870 Review (http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6870/)

[Tech Power Up] 6870 CrossfireX Review (http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_6870_CrossFire/)

[Vortez] ASUS EAH6850 Direct CU Review (http://www.vortez.co.uk/articles_pages/asus_eah6850_directcu_review,1.html)

[Vortez] MSI 6870 Review (http://www.vortez.co.uk/contentteller/articles_pages/msi_r6870_review.html)

[B]6950/6970 Reviews

[OC3D] HIS 6950/70 Review (http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/his_hd6970_hd6950_review/1)

[OC3D] ASUS 6970 Review (http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/asus_eah6970_review/1)

[OC3D] 6970 CF Review (http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/powercolor_hd6970_crossfire_review/1)

[Vortez] HIS 6950 Review (http://www.vortez.co.uk/articles_pages/his_amd_radeon_hd_6950_2gb_review,1.html)

[Vortez] ASUS 6970 Review (http://www.vortez.co.uk/articles_pages/asus_eah6970_2gb_review,1.html)

[Mr. Strawberry]

SA tend to be AMD bias and tend to make quite a lot of things up
AMD's road map placed the 6870 for a Q1 2011 launch though
(cant find link atm but will continue to look)

[Mr Moose]

Meh doesnt matter, news is news :D

[Mr. Strawberry]

got it
http://www.2dayblog.com/images/2010/august/550x-amd-roadmap-2.jpg

true
i am looking forward to what these cards bring to the table as they are basicly 5000 series cards but with a little tweaking done in a couple of places

[Mr Moose]

Another link to suggest pre 2011 release.
http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components/graphics-cards/amd-to-release-next-gen-graphics-pre-christmas-717388?src=rss&attr=newsall

[Mr. Strawberry]

indeed i wouldnt put it past AMD to launch it sooner tbh
have seen a couple saying the 6770/50 is expected to launch in the last couple of days of this month :/

[PeterStoba]

got it
http://www.2dayblog.com/images/2010/august/550x-amd-roadmap-2.jpg

true
i am looking forward to what these cards bring to the table as they are basicly 5000 series cards but with a little tweaking done in a couple of places

Even that shows they will launch before Q1...

[Mr Moose]

Even that shows they will launch before Q1...
Yea but that one shows the lower end cards launching first.

[Terbinator]

Aye, all the 'leaked' info has been about 960SP cards which is crap in real terms ocnsidering the 5770 has 800.

[marsey99]

they need to launch a new mid range card to combat the 460 not high or low end as they do ok there.

[Terbinator]

I imagine thats what the first cards will be, i would expect the extra shaders to pull the 5770 replacement within the GTX 460 while at 5770 pricing.

[Joey Propane]

Isn't the 6770 rumoured to have a 256bit memory bus? If so with 960SP's, architecture tweaks and new shader arrangement it should be a pretty awesome GPU for the mid-range market (providing it takes the 5830's ~£150-160 slot).

[ZodiarK]

wonders if i can crossfire a 5970 with a 6970 hmm..

[marsey99]

xfire x id imagine yes :thumb:

[Mr. Strawberry]

Even that shows they will launch before Q1...
WRONG!
the 6870 is cayman which that table shows as 2011
the lower end 6400/6500 is what is meant to launch this year according to the table
i mean look at the table something would have gone horribly wrong if the 6870 the 5870s replacement was more than half the speed

[Mr. Strawberry]

lol wonder how true this is :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units#Northe rn_Islands_.28HD_6xxx.29_series

[El Wayneo]

My contacts at AMD told me last week in October/first week in November.

[Mr. Strawberry]

i must say looking at the wiki table :D
the HD6970 eyefinity card with 8 display ports is looking tasty :P lol

[Zaim]

cool, wonder what Nvidia's 500 series will be like.

[redrooster303]

i don't know but if these 6xxx cards are any good it looks like there'll be two 460's up for sale. more saving, and i thought that was it for upgrades till next year. how wrong i was.:)

[Terbinator]

Although the question is posed, is it worth selling off your GTX 460's now considering the first batch at least are only meant to compete not supersede.

[Guest]

Just in time for chrimbo.

[Joey Propane]

cool, wonder what Nvidia's 500 series will be like.

Based on the pattern they seem stuck in i'd guess 6 months late, size of a battleship, hotter than the sun and more power hungry than Genghis Khan.

[Terbinator]

And 4x faster than Fermi.

[Joey Propane]

GF100 is 4x faster than G200 now? news to me.

[Terbinator]

GF100 is 4x faster than G200 now? news to me.

No, read it in context. The follow up too Fermi is expected to be 4x as fast according to Nvidias conference earlier this week.

[ChrisJB]

So when the new 6000 series cards get released what will the equivalent of the 5870. The 6770?

[Mr. Strawberry]

looking at the specs i would have to say yes but could be wrong

[Terbinator]

Lookin at the specs the 6770 has less SP's than the 5850 (960 vs 1440) - the card is there purely to compete with the GTX 460 and perhaps the full fat GF104.

[M17CH]

I was gonna get a gpu next week but i think il hold back for a while until these beautys come out.

[Mr Moose]

Updated the first post with a link for possible 6770 spec's

http://vr-zone.com/articles/-rumour-amd-radeon-hd-6700-specification-chart-leaked/9936.html

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

No, read it in context. The follow up too Fermi is expected to be 4x as fast according to Nvidias conference earlier this week.

wrong, nvidia are aiming at reducing power consumption and are increasing performance per watt by x4.

http://img.hexus.net/v2/pmason/nvidia/roadmap-1.jpg

@ strombalites

if thats true they have decreased the amount of shaders per complex shader and increased ROPS, this will see a huge performance boost. which if true then it wont surprise me if the 6750 is on par with a 5850.

[Mr. Strawberry]

very interesting times indeed

[iGoD ReLeNtLeS]

im just waiting to see if AMD/ATi's Graphics keep thier ATi power or have gone down the under powered route. Although im probably not going to be getting one for a while, i want to see what all the rage is with nvidia atm.

[Will]

Nvidia cards consumes far too much power!

[Mr Banana]

Well i've only just got a 5770 and it powers anything i need right now, so i guess i will wait until AMD 7 series?

[HecklerUK]

I got a 5770 last month and will probably add another one for xfire in about another month or so... and I reckon that will be enough for my gaming requirements for a couple of years.

By the time I look at building another PC in 2012 (most likely after I finish this new one) I'll probably be looking at the 7 or 8 series. :)

[Martin]

Could have sworn that it's the 6770 coming first.

[Terbinator]

Could have sworn that it's the 6770 coming first.

It is isn't it ?

[Mr Moose]

Could have sworn that it's the 6770 coming first.


It is isn't it ?

Second (full) week of October release is it not?

[Terbinator]

wrong, nvidia are aiming at reducing power consumption and are increasing performance per watt by x4.
.

So by 4x, then...

[Mr. Strawberry]

could it really be the 6770 is really the 6870?
http://www.nordichardware.com/news/71-graphics/41251-amd-radeon-hd-6870-and-6850-launches-on-october-18th.html

[k3vst3r]

could it really be the 6770 is really the 6870?
http://www.nordichardware.com/news/71-graphics/41251-amd-radeon-hd-6870-and-6850-launches-on-october-18th.html

would explain price hike

[Mr Moose]

could it really be the 6770 is really the 6870?
http://www.nordichardware.com/news/71-graphics/41251-amd-radeon-hd-6870-and-6850-launches-on-october-18th.html

Yea I read that earlier....AMD set to confuse people slightly with this naming of the cards.

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

renaming their cards?
currently
x7xx mid
x8xx perf
x8xx x2 (now x9xx) high end

i found that their latest number /naming to be fine and understandable tbh, changing it now is confusing, at least for the most part, and not really understandable,

UNLESS theyre trying to allow space for naming and spread of more graphics cards but imo there is enough spread already and i think that more than 20 graphics cards is a bit too much :/

i guess this might lead to a ggraphics naming debate again soon

im sure there was one a while ago about nvidia cards getting confusing or something becoming things like 3dFX EXTREME TURBO GX2 DOOM 16mb VIDEO FX YEH YEH YEAHHH!

[Terbinator]

I love the fact you fit 'DOOM' into the graphics card title :D

[callumburns]

could it really be the 6770 is really the 6870?
http://www.nordichardware.com/news/71-graphics/41251-amd-radeon-hd-6870-and-6850-launches-on-october-18th.html

wonder why it says that the 6850 and 6870 have less stream processors than a 5850 :|? must be the 6750 and 6770?

[Terbinator]

wonder why it says that the 6850 and 6870 have less stream processors than a 5850 :|? must be the 6750 and 6770?

This.

It says the 6770 > 5850.

Without getting caught up on names, I cant be expected to believe that with significantly lower shaders (even at a faster speed) and 200MHz faster RAM that the 6770 performs better than a 5850, I can't see the computability of these going up that much surely ?

Everything points to this card being a GF104 competitor, the specs and price point in addition to the current market as it is, the £150 segment (for sake of argument) is the only place they don't offer competition.

[callumburns]

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[Zaim]

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Thanks for the link mate, those specs look promising :)

[callumburns]

no problem my man :) thought i would share :D they look alot realistic than other ones that i have seen, 1280 stream processors for the 6770? not bad at all considering the 5850 has 1440.

[Terbinator]

See 1280 SP seems more reasonable for competitive performance, i guess well find out which was lying, the video or the picture.

[callumburns]

lol obviously the pictures not the actual thing itself :p, cant wait to see what they look like!

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

This.

It says the 6770 > 5850.

Without getting caught up on names, I cant be expected to believe that with significantly lower shaders (even at a faster speed) and 200MHz faster RAM that the 6770 performs better than a 5850, I can't see the computability of these going up that much surely ?

Everything points to this card being a GF104 competitor, the specs and price point in addition to the current market as it is, the £150 segment (for sake of argument) is the only place they don't offer competition.

hi just to talk a little able AMD gpu architecture and WHY if the leakd specs are true

this



It says the 6770 > 5850.



might be true

up until now this has held true




(as a current rule of thumb for an ATI to NVidia core translation

(thanks to k3vst3r)
divide ati core count by 5 as ati use 5 way scalar architecture, meaning each complex shader has 4 simple shaders per, nvidia ONLY has complex shaders
..

EG.

5870 has 1600/5 = 320 complex shaders + 1280 simple shaders
GTX480 has 480 complex shaders

nvidia call this cuda, ati call it stream. the function and architecture is pretty much the same, except for the coding language.. which is why open CL is being pushed.

open gl = open graphics library (standardised graphics)
open CL= open coding library (standardised coding)


but in those latest leaks

they have MORE ROPS in fact DOUBLE (16 vs 32)
they have 256bit mem bus vs 128bit

they have instead of 5way scalar but 4 way scalar this INCREASES the number of complex shaders

originally 800 shaders in 5770= 160 complex +640 simple
leaked? 800 shaders in 6xxx= 200 complex +600 simple

so if we did this for 5870 say 1600 which as we know currently has 320 will have 400!!

so what does all this mean?

look at these comparisons of a gtx260 and a 4890
http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv318/I3R0K3N7FEET/Untitled2-1-Copy.jpg
http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv318/I3R0K3N7FEET/Untitled2-1-1.jpg

which is the better performing? well IRL its the 4890 but the gtx260 is Vclose.. but why?

we will go from the OC shown as the stats displayed arent from stock

bandwidth

4890 is higher at 134.4gb/s but obviously the DDR5 is capped with a mere 256bit bus compared to the gtx260s DDR3 running on a 448bit bus

(so the 5770 is capped with just a 128bit bus?)

ROPS
Raster Operations Pipeline (render output unit)

each ROP has a number of shaders allocated to it so more ROPs the faster it can get the information out this is shown as texture fill rate and pixel fill rate.

4890 -16 (5770 also has 16)
gtx260 - 28

which is why the 4890 lacks in pixels and texels


so why does the 4890 perform better? my guess is the bandwidth, core frequency and the mass number of simple shaders.

IF AMD are adding more ROPs and more COMPLEX shaders = faster pixels and texels and performance as well as doubling the memory bus.


if i cant convince you that




It says the 6770 > 5850.

I cant be expected to believe that with significantly lower shaders (even at a faster speed) and 200MHz faster RAM that the 6770 performs better than a 5850, I can't see the computability of these going up that much surely ?

might acutally be true

then i must be mistaken somehwere

[Terbinator]

Indepth analysis greatly appreciated, but I'm still skeptical.

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

im skeptical too tbh its best to be as nothing is confirmed.

things never scale 100% and there are loads of other factors, but if the leaks are true then performance increases might be more substantial than what was originally let on... which then might beg the question was that original 6xxx performance leak a while back fake after all ??

still its interesting to talk about these things :D

[Terbinator]

Quite. The way i was thinking about it was that if 5770 CF gives ~5870+ performance which in all respects is 'double' of everything, then cut it down too 1280 SP theres still quite a big gap between the 5870, obviously less of a gap too the 5850 but considering how closely they perform i can't envisage performance being better than the 5850.

Be great fi it was though, of course.

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

i wonder what they will do with the 68xx/69xx cards tooonly a month or so away. though considering theyre still on the 40nm node increasing complex shaders, rops and mem bus and of course maybe improving the tessellation unit, is the most obvious and fastest way they can increase performance substantially.. which again may be enough for them to get the green ******** in a twist and was a simple enough venture for amd to do saving them R&D time for the 7xxx series or whatever.

i cants say nickers but i can say panties? :/ they say ******** in preschool!

[Zaim]

http://hothardware.com/News/AMDs-HD-6000-Series-Reportedly-Delayed/

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

from NVIDIA's aggressive pricing

Times sure have changed ^_^

[callumburns]

hope the price drops are soon i would love another 5850 if im totally honest.

[Terbinator]

Times sure have changed ^_^

Seems the article agrees my own views on AMD not wanting to cannibalise the 5850's sales (which are surely still strong even though it is sandwiched by the 460 & 470).

I tell 'ya, its going to be an interesting year in the GPU market, 6000 series and I would imagine, fully fat Fermi's if Nvidia's next cards or at least architecture, aren't going to be around for another 18 months.

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

DX11 is becoming a pretty major thing and ati cards take an unfortunate major hit in DX11 compared to fermi.

6xxx series im sure will solve this.

Nvidia are definately making back ground lost and im sure are going to come out looking good.

the graphics market imo has never been so intense. it has always been bang for buck vs best performance

today nvidia and ati are sandwiched at each price point.

also ive heard that 5870 and 5850 are already EOL unless i made that up in a dream :/ (i do that sometimes)

[callumburns]

i guess you could maybe say that 5850 and 5870 are kinda EOL because on the aria site theres pretty bad stock shortages :| or is that just me :lol:?

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

i was going to draw some simple pictures of gpu architecture then found that while what i was doing from the top of my head (was completely wrong IRL would still be feasible lol. i should get a job as a microchip designer, efficiency, space saving, and problems solving are some of my greatest strengths..)

instead i thought i would just share this article and admit i wasted my time

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/09/30/ati-radeon-hd-5870-architecture-analysis/1

of course nvidia have different architecture but visibly similar as ultimately with so much tweaking there is a 'best' design for efficient flow of data.

5870'cypress architecture.

just some of my own speculation about the leaks..

juding from this image. AMDs current (wont use the name ati anymore :P) 5 way scalar archtecture (btw SIMDs = shaders. SIMD= single input multiple data in other words massively parrallel proccessing engines) from this imageVV

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2009/09/ati-radeon-hd-5870-architecture-analysis/flow.jpg

looks like this up close? (20 x 4 = 80 x 20 =1600)

http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv318/I3R0K3N7FEET/ati5wayscalar.jpg

so if they have refreshed the architecture to a 4way scalar yet keeping similar number of shaders how would it be implemented? and what benefits would it have?
just a guess?
http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv318/I3R0K3N7FEET/ati4wayscalar.jpg

well for one it onle has 1 bank of simple shaders per complex shader, im not sure on this at all so i could be completely wrong, but if the complex shaders actually control the simpleshaders so to speak or communicate with them in anyway, having just one bank as opposed to two like in the current 5way, then surely, as all things physical go, it will give faster throughput?

[Zaim]

http://hothardware.com/News/AMD-to-Launch-Radeon-HD-6000-Series-October-19/

17 more days to go

[marsey99]

hi just to talk a little able AMD gpu architecture and WHY if the leakd specs are true

...snip...

mem bandwidth, if you look at the res where this matters less you can see its where they trade blows (pix heavy games the 260 wins)


Times sure have changed ^_^

they needed too, nv have been making hay since the 88gtx untill these last 12 months, im so looking forward to these next 6 months as it just scream price wars to me and i aint buying a gpu now till ones holding the white flag :D


...admit i wasted my time...snip

yea 5 way would but would it create a bottleneck on the bus to the cache?

anyway study fermi, its much more interesting imo as its segmented in a much more ergonomic design ;)

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

anyway study fermi, its much more interesting imo as its segmented in a much more ergonomic design ;)

im sure, could find the flaws too i bet ;D really into cpu/gpu architectureand ive been increasingly studing them. its times like now when i realise that i should have done this at uni :/

[marsey99]

fermi is just a monster mate when you look at it, its alot like what amd are claiming bd is going to be for the cpu but its in the wild already now (after some time xD).

i want sun to buy nv now and go after intel :thumb: but i have a feeling amd/ati might be the cheaper option for them :|

[k3vst3r]

i was going to draw some simple pictures of gpu architecture then found that while what i was doing from the top of my head (was completely wrong IRL would still be feasible lol. i should get a job as a microchip designer, efficiency, space saving, and problems solving are some of my greatest strengths..)

instead i thought i would just share this article and admit i wasted my time

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/09/30/ati-radeon-hd-5870-architecture-analysis/1

of course nvidia have different architecture but visibly similar as ultimately with so much tweaking there is a 'best' design for efficient flow of data.

5870'cypress architecture.

just some of my own speculation about the leaks..

juding from this image. AMDs current (wont use the name ati anymore :P) 5 way scalar archtecture (btw SIMDs = shaders. SIMD= single input multiple data in other words massively parrallel proccessing engines) from this imageVV

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2009/09/ati-radeon-hd-5870-architecture-analysis/flow.jpg

looks like this up close? (20 x 4 = 80 x 20 =1600)

http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv318/I3R0K3N7FEET/ati5wayscalar.jpg

so if they have refreshed the architecture to a 4way scalar yet keeping similar number of shaders how would it be implemented? and what benefits would it have?
just a guess?
http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv318/I3R0K3N7FEET/ati4wayscalar.jpg

well for one it onle has 1 bank of simple shaders per complex shader, im not sure on this at all so i could be completely wrong, but if the complex shaders actually control the simpleshaders so to speak or communicate with them in anyway, having just one bank as opposed to two like in the current 5way, then surely, as all things physical go, it will give faster throughput?

Hearing they have dumped the simple shaders an complex for 4 way medium complex shader array. See main problem with old architecture was it's great for gaming, but not so hot for science like FAH due to only having 1 complex shader to 4 simple shaders, now Nvidia every single shader for them is complex an shader speed runs twice that of 5000 series an below. FAH shows the weakness in design for ATI cards, now with 6000 series they have addressed this i expect FAH perform alot better under 6000 series.
Nvidia aren't sitting either they have Keplar planned for 2011 done on 28nm :thumb:

[Will]

Just so you guys know ROPs have no effect on the texture fill rate :)

I saw I3r0k3N7FEET said that they did before..
(http://forums.aria.co.uk/member.php?u=8634)

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

Just so you guys know ROPs have no effect on the texture fill rate :)

I saw I3r0k3N7FEET said that they did before..
(http://forums.aria.co.uk/member.php?u=8634)

i never said they did i simpified the process. though i also never said i was 100% accurate. rather than making a bland statement, please contribute. it helps the conversation. though are you sure they do nothing?


Raster Operations Pipeline, is one of the final steps in the rendering process of modern 3D accelerator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_accelerator) boards. The pixel pipelines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_pipeline) take pixel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel) and texel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texel_%28graphics%29) information and process it, via specific matrix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_operation) and vector operations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_%28geometric%29), into a final pixel or depth value. The ROPs perform the transactions between the relevant buffers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_%28computer_science%29) in the local memory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAM) - this includes writing or reading values, as well as blending them together.

because we all know wiki is right all the time. lol

[Zaim]

more info

http://hardocp.com/news/2010/10/05/amd_radeon_hd_6000_series_in_trouble63/

[Mr. Strawberry]

i wanna start seeing some leaked photos of the cooler :D

[Mr Moose]

Seems like one week they are on time and the next they are running late. Too much staff taking holidays I think!

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

if TSMC are still having yield issues i forsee TSMC losing customers very quick. their relationship with AMD for the past year has been shaky at best

[callumburns]

few updates on the new 6850 and 6870's guys, benchmarks with very surprising results!


The AMD Radeon HD 6850, the mid-range replacement for the Radeon HD 5850, scored a reasonable 14,872 3DMarks in the Vantage suite and 18,750 in the 3DMark06 benchmark tests. That doesn't compare particularly well to its last-generation predecessor, which managed 15,593 and 19,480 3DMarks respectively - meaning that the new card has an almost 5 percent drop in performance on the Vantage benchmark.

The story isn't any better at the higher end, with the Radeon HD 6870 scoring 16,270 and 19,480 in the two benchmark suites, compared to its direct predecessor's 17,924 and 19,433 - this time almost a 10 percent drop in performance in Vantage, although a better showing in 3DMark06.

read more here: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2010/10/12/amd-radeon-hd-6800-benchmark/1

[Martin]

They've got it wrong.
The 5770 is being replaced with the 6870, the 5750 is getting replaced by the 6850.
The 5870 is getting replaced with the 6970, the 5850 getting replaced with the 6950. The 5970 is getting replaced by the 6990.

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

yeh there is a new naming scheme in the air. so dont compare previous gen to next gen by names.

[callumburns]

i dunno i just posted what i read on bit-tech and see what you guys thought about it as well. didnt know there was gonna be new names etc

[Zaim]

They've got it wrong.
The 5770 is being replaced with the 6870, the 5750 is getting replaced by the 6850.
The 5870 is getting replaced with the 6970, the 5850 getting replaced with the 6950. The 5970 is getting replaced by the 6990.

If that is true then those benchmarks are good.

[marsey99]

They've got it wrong.
The 5770 is being renamed as the 6870, the 5750 is getting renamed as the 6850.
The 5870 is getting replaced with the 6970, the 5850 getting replaced with the 6950. The 5970 is getting replaced by the 6990.


fixed that for you :thumb:

[Martin]

fixed that for you :thumb:

Erm, no..
The 5770 is getting rebranded as the 6770. :rolleyes: (Rumoured to be).

The 6870/6850 are replacements for. The touted performance figures are evident of this..... By your "logic" a 5750 performs close to the 5850/5870

Biased ideals are flawed fyi.

[marsey99]

ah, yes, i missed the 8s, as you was saying the 5770 was being replaced by, when the truth is its not being replaced at all, just renamed.

its the high and low ends they are replacing, not the mid which really shocks me tbh as they do ok in those sections while the 460 is king in the middle.

unless they are going to give some wild price slashes to the 5800s, which would make no sense while they give better none dx11 performance than these new cards, i cant get my head around it. i cant see them cheapening the 800 range, even if the 900s are out at the same time as that make no sense at all.


edit

bias lol coming from a self admitted fanboy thats rich, even more so given the fact that i use both ati and nv gpu, i am using an ati gpu as i type this fyi :thumb:

[Martin]

ah, yes, i missed the 8s, as you was saying the 5770 was being replaced by, when the truth is its not being replaced at all, just renamed.

its the high and low ends they are replacing, not the mid which really shocks me tbh as they do ok in those sections while the 460 is king in the middle.

unless they are going to give some wild price slashes to the 5800s, which would make no sense while they give better none dx11 performance than these new cards, i cant get my head around it. i cant see them cheapening the 800 range, even if the 900s are out at the same time as that make no sense at all.

Speculation.
I'd expect the 6870 to be around 200, the 6850 to be 150 (That then crushes the 1GB GTX460)

The 5770 is being replaced price/performance wise.
But the 67XX is just a rebrand of the former.



bias lol coming from a self admitted fanboy thats rich, even more so given the fact that i use both ati and nv gpu, i am using an ati gpu as i type this fyi :thumb:


I favour them myself, for others? I'll tell them to do the logical option, at the right price point..
I'm building a mate for a mate, what flavour GPU am I thinking? The GTX460. I'm no blind fanboy.

[AmdOverclocker]

Speculation.
I'd expect the 6870 to be around 200, the 6850 to be 150 (That then crushes the 1GB GTX460)

The 5770 is being replaced price/performance wise.
But the 67XX is just a rebrand of the former.



I favour them myself, for others? I'll tell them to do the logical option, at the right price point..
I'm building a mate for a mate, what flavour GPU am I thinking? The GTX460. I'm no blind fanboy.



ahhhh AMD's new naming scheme sucks and is too confusing...

[Martin]

ahhhh AMD's new naming scheme sucks and is too confusing...

I see no reason for it.
They could just keep the naming they've got. Rebrand the 5770 to a 6670, so we've got "Performance progression".

[marsey99]

everything about the 6000 series is speculation untill amd send out the final product to reviewers/partners, so pointing that out is a mute point really dont you think?

as for the performance, well seeing as how the numbers doing the rounds atm show the old cards out performing the new im not quite sure how it will crush anything.

tbh i hope your right about the numbers as i wouldnt mind a 6870 for £200 just after xmas ;)

[Martin]

We'll see.
You heard my predictions first ;)

[marsey99]

btw i didnt say blind, just insinuated you was rose tinted :D

[Mr. Strawberry]

We'll see.
You heard my predictions first ;)
oh god
its fermi and 5000 series all over again :D lol

[Martin]

btw i didnt say blind, just insinuated you was rose tinted :D

Crimson tinted is the way I float.



oh god
its fermi and 5000 series all over again :D lol

IIRC they performed as suggested?
GTX 480 beating the 5870, the 470 trading blows. But the GTX480 wouldn't beat the 5970, I said that... And was right.... Because it's logical.

[callumburns]

well all i care about is mega price drops :D, hopefully by the end of the month?

[HecklerUK]

If the 5770 drops a decent amount... I'll add a second one to my new build.

[marsey99]

If the 5770 drops a decent amount... I'll add a second one to my new build.

if they do rename it the prices will go like the 88gt did, they wont really drop that much as the demand will be high from people wanting to add them for xfire.

you could of course get the rebranded version and flash the bios ;)

[ZodiarK]

6990 for £500 please!!

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

6990 for £500 please!!

i have a 9990 if you are interested?

though it is actually just an uber ice cream with loads of flakes

[k3vst3r]

Erm, no..
The 5770 is getting rebranded as the 6770. :rolleyes: (Rumoured to be).

The 6870/6850 are replacements for. The touted performance figures are evident of this..... By your "logic" a 5750 performs close to the 5850/5870

Biased ideals are flawed fyi.

Dunno bro rumours i've heard say marsey99 is right, only few more days till we find out.

[Martin]

Dunno bro rumours i've heard say marsey99 is right, only few more days till we find out.

I've already said the 5770 is being rebranded as a 6770, which is a rumour, and could very well be right.

But in the price/performance bracket it's being replaced for the 6870/6850 as the mid/high, with the 69XX being high/extreme (With the 6990 being extreme). At least, this is the way I've understood it.

EDIT : Although, I have a theory (As do others) that the 6770 won't be a rebrand of the 5770, while it will have the same performance as a 5770, it'll be a cheaper card to make, while consuming less power. It's logical and fits in with the name change, and means they'll probably charge 100 for it possibly?
That's my own little speculative thought anyways.

[unreel2002]

Just saw this, somewhat dissapointing performance if true !.

http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=9351

[watercooled]

yeh whats going on there ...

who cares about less power consumption i dont.
bringing out new cards which are less powerful!

just give me more performance

[Martin]

:rolleyes:.
1.) Wait till launch.
2.) They've changed the naming structure.... 68XX isn't a replacement for 58XX

[Martin]

5770 is indeed being rebranded to 67XX

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3365/30926972.jpg

Assuming these slides are fact, not fiction.

[andyn]

As Martin said, seems that they are pulling a bit of an nVidia and messing around with the naming structure.

From reports I've read so far (just discussions in the public domain, no insider info) it seems like the 6870 is basically the new version of the 5770, in terms of the rough performance / price point.

[Martin]

As Martin said, seems that they are pulling a bit of an nVidia and messing around with the naming structure.

From reports I've read so far (just discussions in the public domain, no insider info) it seems like the 6870 is basically the new version of the 5770, in terms of the rough performance / price point.
Which is not a bad point at all.
By recent reports (Assuming they're true) show the 6870 performing around near the 5870, if they can get it out for around 200 pound, and if it's got overclocking headroom, it could be one hell of a card for the money.

Though, and I've said this before, I expect Fermi 2 to lead this generation, assuming they bring it out next year, as we've heard NOTHING.

I'm more looking forward to AMD's 28nm stuff.

[NickCPC]

I came across another site with benchmarks - firstly, it sounds like the hardware which has been tested is still an ES, and secondly the drivers certainly won't be finalised/optimised for 6 series cards.

+1 on Martin's looking forward to 28nm cards.

[marsey99]

i was on about this in the other 6000 series thread, and to really muddy the water i will continue a convo from there :D

how can the 6870 be the "replacement" of the 5770 if its going to retail a almost twice the current cost?

nv have said since fermis late launch that the 500s was still on track regardless of the 400 being late, going off past release dates that would mean its q1 11 for those. i expect news to "leak" on these around the time the 6000s are ready to ship to see if it can make anybody hold up their upgrades.

personally i think they're keeping quiet about it while amd/ati make all the noise over cards that seem (up to now) to offer very little in terms of performance progression and are only there to catch up the dx11 performance they lose out on atm. then when they (amd) show their hand nv will go BOOM! heres how you do it and we get a fermi card that works without dimming the lights in the rest of the house when you start gaming.

[Martin]

i was on about this in the other 6000 series thread, and to really muddy the water i will continue a convo from there :D

how can the 6870 be the "replacement" of the 5770 if its going to retail a almost twice the current cost?

nv have said since fermis late launch that the 500s was still on track regardless of the 400 being late, going off past release dates that would mean its q1 11 for those. i expect news to "leak" on these around the time the 6000s are ready to ship to see if it can make anybody hold up their upgrades.

personally i think they're keeping quiet about it while amd/ati make all the noise over cards that seem (up to now) to offer very little in terms of performance progression and are only there to catch up the dx11 performance they lose out on atm. then when they (amd) show their hand nv will go BOOM! heres how you do it and we get a fermi card that works without dimming the lights in the rest of the house when you start gaming.
Your words, not mine.
I don't see it.
I think it'll be about 200 for the 6870.

But we'll wait and see.

But, speculation is pointless, leads to stupid arguements from both sides. Then in reality the product is generally much different to the speculation.

If they've worked on the eyefinity algorithm for VRAM usage, that's enough for me.

[k3vst3r]

Which is not a bad point at all.
By recent reports (Assuming they're true) show the 6870 performing around near the 5870, if they can get it out for around 200 pound, and if it's got overclocking headroom, it could be one hell of a card for the money.

Though, and I've said this before, I expect Fermi 2 to lead this generation, assuming they bring it out next year, as we've heard NOTHING.

I'm more looking forward to AMD's 28nm stuff.

They have slides mate showing Keplar replacement for Fermi done on 28nm for 2011, they also say Keplar 4 times more performance per watt or something like that over Fermi architecture.

[marsey99]

Your words, not mine.
I don't see it.
I think it'll be about 200 for the 6870.

But we'll wait and see.

But, speculation is pointless, leads to stupid arguements from both sides. Then in reality the product is generally much different to the speculation.

If they've worked on the eyefinity algorithm for VRAM usage, that's enough for me.


They've got it wrong.
The 5770 is being replaced with the 6870, the 5750 is getting replaced by the 6850.
The 5870 is getting replaced with the 6970, the 5850 getting replaced with the 6950. The 5970 is getting replaced by the 6990.

my words?

i said they was renaming the 5770(50)s and that the 6800s didnt offer any performance gains over the 5800s from what i was reading. which more and more sources are now also saying.

as for the drivers debate im not sure thats a valid point with amd's refine not redesign approach, as they dont need any major driver tweaks to get the most out of the new hardware. while nv on the other hand do a major overhaul every other release the performance can be held back until they get the new driver family out. the new 260 drivers being a good case in point as they have shown an increase of over 10% on lots of games vs the older, fermi release, 190 family drivers for the 400 series cards.

you are right, and most debates base on speculation do turn into mini flame fest but as im sure you have seen in the past we are adult enough to agree to disagree once we have all said our part.

[Martin]

I never said the 6870 would be twice the price of the 5770, given a 5770 launched around 130-140.. Which was more my point.

[Will]

Which is not a bad point at all.
By recent reports (Assuming they're true) show the 6870 performing around near the 5870, if they can get it out for around 200 pound, and if it's got overclocking headroom, it could be one hell of a card for the money.

Though, and I've said this before, I expect Fermi 2 to lead this generation, assuming they bring it out next year, as we've heard NOTHING.

I'm more looking forward to AMD's 28nm stuff.

Do you think that's likely?! Nvidia has alot of wound licking to do, after what I see Fermi being a failure. They'll spend this year (2011) revising they're current cards as they've not actually bought out their full 512 shader card yet! The GF104 designed is being bought in for the GTX470, so they're down sizing that to under 400 shaders and probably calling it the GTX475. I don't know if something didn't go as planned...maybe it was cause of the initial poor yields ~1% of Fermi which meant they rushed getting them to the market to avoid going bust which has lead to their MASSIVE power consumption and head output..

[coiler]

usually the second digit being an 8 denotes one of ATI's more powerful cards, be a shame if they mix up the naming convention - to gain what?

[Will]

usually the second digit being an 8 denotes one of ATI's more powerful cards, be a shame if they mix up the naming convention - to gain what?

more room at the bottom for lower end cards?

[marsey99]

unreel i have merged your thread into this as they are basically the same topic :)

martin your back tracking now mate, but ok i will leave it there ;)

coiler i agree, i see no reason for it other than to try and confuse the end user into buying a new card which isnt as good as the one they are replacing. on the upside for amd i imagine the same people who were so vocal about nv doing this and slammed them at every chance they got will no doubt see this as a good thing as it makes more room for lower end cards :lol:

they also seem to scim over the fact ati did this first years ago with the 1600/1650 but nevermind.

[k3vst3r]

This the link to the slide for keplar an maxell for 2013 which they state maxell will be 16 times better at parallel computing than fermi :thumb:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/21/nvidia-reveals-fermis-successor-kepler-at-28nm-in-2011-maxwel/

[ThunderFlash]

:) They're optimists....

[Zaim]

usually the second digit being an 8 denotes one of ATI's more powerful cards, be a shame if they mix up the naming convention - to gain what?

Maybe they liked how Nvidia did it :D

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

This the link to the slide for keplar an maxell for 2013 which they state maxell will be 16 times better at parallel computing than fermi :thumb:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/21/nvidia-reveals-fermis-successor-kepler-at-28nm-in-2011-maxwel/



i said this earlier...

Nvidia are aiming at reducing power consumption. those figures are for relative performance per watt...

when you consider die shrinks... they are not promising anything that isnt to be expected.

[ThunderFlash]

So we'll be buying 300 watt psus in the not too distant future....

[Martin]

So we'll be buying 300 watt psus in the not too distant future....
I doubt that.
I can't see me needing to change from my 1KW for a while though, I'd love it to die and use OCZ's RMA

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

lol

who has the loudest rig ?

[Martin]

http://www.techpowerup.com/132790/XFX-Radeon-HD-6870-Smiles-for-the-Camera.html

Follows what I've been saying ;)?

[ThunderFlash]

Looks nice doesn't it :)

[Martin]

Looks nice doesn't it :)

Yes it does.
I'd actually considering getting two 6870 for the "new factor" if I sold my 5970 lol.

[ZodiarK]

im with you on that martin but id still get the 5970 replacement for the LARGE MONSTER factor...:D

[ThunderFlash]

Look at you lot flashing your cash :(

[Martin]

Look at you lot flashing your cash :(

I must do some flashing to get the cash I'm afraid.

[Dunny774]

I want one :D (and another)

martin No just No

[Mr. Strawberry]

only 2 way crossfire?

[callumburns]

wow that does look nice man! i want one :D or two :rolleyes:

[Terbinator]

Launches next week:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3976/amd-quietly-reveals-next-radeon-series-launches-next-week

[Martin]

6870 Crossfire for the new factor, I think so. Even though it'll probably be as good as my 5970.
But it's NEW.

[Dunny774]

i hope to have a 6870 at xmas now :P

[El Wayneo]

6870 Crossfire for the new factor, I think so. Even though it'll probably be as good as my 5970.
But it's NEW.

Or you can wait until the end of november and get a 6950 or 6970 what ever the cypress high end cards are?

[Martin]

Or you can wait until the end of november and get a 6950 or 6970 what ever the cypress high end cards are?

I've never had a second hand GPU before, this 5970 is my first and I'm paranoid about it dying on me.
I never realised I'd be so touchy.

6870 is made of fail - http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://news.ati-forum.de/index.php/news/34-amdati-grafikkarten/1548-exklusiv-endgueltige-spezifikationen-der-hd6850-und-hd6870 =/

[{SAS}TB]

So prices have been "confirmed" on a competitor's forum and:

6870 replaces 5830, expect 5830-5850 performance levels. - £180 + VAT (£211.50)
6850 is new and designed to compete with GTX 460 768MB and will perform between 5770-5830 levels. - £135 + VAT (£158.62)

5770 No replacement now, its replacement comes in Q1 next year.
5850 and 5870 replacements/speed bumps are coming November

[ThunderFlash]

So i need to take into consideration the 6850 as that sits right in my budget if those figures are accurate.
Bring on the tests....

[Mr. Strawberry]

sounds to go to be true :/
if these do not rise in price then i would be suprised

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

the old price rises were caused by TSCM

cant wait to see new benches really.. performance isnt an issue.. but i want to see if they HAVE increase tessellation performance

[ThunderFlash]

Is it me or am I getting the impression that there are murmurings that this series is going to be a let down?

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

a let down in what way? :/

personally i think that they are more expensive than expected but EVERYTHING in the UK is more expensive than expected.

[ThunderFlash]

Sorry, i meant it in a performance context :)

[Lynx]

but these are the midrange chips. stonking value!

[Martin]

Utter and complete let down.
Mid range card at 211 pound with less performance than the cheaper 5850? Get real.



but these are the midrange chips. stonking value!

I'm sorry what? How on Earth can these be considered "stonking value". They're a backwards step price/performance wise.

[Mr Moose]

I would have to agree. The price of the cards is quite high for something thats replacing something of equal performance but costs less..

Nathan

[Martin]

I would have to agree. The price of the cards is quite high for something thats replacing something of equal performance but costs less..

Nathan

The 6870 isn't even replacing the 5850 it may perform worse. The 6870 has a clock speed of 900MHZ, how much headroom do you say it's got? upto 1000MHZ maybe?

The 5850 can raise from 725 to 1000, I'd expect that to beat the 6870, run a 6870 at 1000, the 5850 at 1000 would still beat it.

[sibeer]

Don't they normally do this sort of thing with the new mid range pricing, it is just the release before the high end that is making it look worse. When the 5770 and 5750 came out the 4870 & 4850 gave similar performance for similar money. The difference was that the prices of the older cards had gone from around £200 to around £130 since the 5850 and 5870 had come out.

Surely the same will happen with these once the pricing pressure from better models comes into play. Just looks to me like AMD is trying to make money from the old stock and new midrange before they knock their own prices down with the 69xx series. As Nvidia are still a way from offering a new range they have time to do so.

[Martin]

No, they've never done this.
The 5770 launched at like 140, that was mid range.
The 6870 is mid range. In my eyes, the 6870 is the 5770 replacement, as it's only just better than a 5830 and between 5850 performance, that would be "progression"

But the price makes no sense, as it's worse than the previous higher end card and more expensive..

Logic, it has none.

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

i agree with martin... im sure the prices will come down shortly after but still.. these crds do seem like a backwards step atm

[HecklerUK]

Do we have any real world benchmarks comparing the 5 series alongside the 6 series yet?

Until we do, it's a lot of speculation and maybes.

[k3vst3r]

No, they've never done this.
The 5770 launched at like 140, that was mid range.
The 6870 is mid range. In my eyes, the 6870 is the 5770 replacement, as it's only just better than a 5830 and between 5850 performance, that would be "progression"

But the price makes no sense, as it's worse than the previous higher end card and more expensive..

Logic, it has none.

Its meant to trick the average joe not the enthusiast, how they look at it 5870 when released was £300+...now 6870 at £210 sounds like a steal...remember they just look at the card numbers not the actual performance figures :knock:

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

Its meant to trick the average joe not the enthusiast, how they look at it 5870 when released was £300+...now 6870 at £210 sounds like a steal...remember they just look at the card numbers not the actual performance figures :knock:

i know i did this!

[k3vst3r]

i know i did this!

Reminds me of Nvidia when they name changed 8800 series to 9800 series or geforce 4 mx which was worst than geforce 3 :p

[ThunderFlash]

Do we have any real world benchmarks comparing the 5 series alongside the 6 series yet?

Until we do, it's a lot of speculation and maybes.


You're far too sensible :p

[HecklerUK]

You're far too sensible :p


I know... I'd make a lousy fanboi. :D

[EzyRyder]

a lot of speculation and people already getting wounded up... these are not here yet but I think we are going to be surprised in a nice way! :)

[Martin]

a lot of speculation and people already getting wounded up... these are not here yet but I think we are going to be surprised in a nice way! :)

We really won't.
The 68XX is now mid range, bringing it out at 210+ seems pointless, much like the 5830 was.

The 6870 is touted to be 5830-5850 performance, a shade off me saying it was about 5850 performance.

[ThunderFlash]

Haha so when these are released the only quality new range GPU out will be NVIDIA's 460?

[Will]

The 5850/70 are quality GPUs

[ThunderFlash]

I mean like new ranges i.e. 6000 series, sorry my bad

[Martin]

Haha so when these are released the only quality new range GPU out will be NVIDIA's 460?

They'll beat the 460.
Not the point though.


I mean like new ranges i.e. 6000 series, sorry my bad

I'm sorry, what'd you mean?
The 4XX isn't really new.

[ThunderFlash]

Well what is a newer mid range card around 150 that NVIDIA have?
That's kinda what I mean.

Maybe I should have said most recent....

[Dunny774]

Well what is a newer mid range card around 150 that NVIDIA have?
That's kinda what I mean.

Maybe I should have said most recent....

460 is the nvidia's mid range card :P

[ThunderFlash]

460 is the nvidia's mid range card :P


I know! Arggghh this is frustrating.

[Dunny774]

I know! Arggghh this is frustrating.

why? :P

[ThunderFlash]

Because I was just saying that the if the 6000 series flops, the 460 seems to be the only latest card from either NVIDIA or AMD to have been successfull when the 6000 hits the shelves replacing 5000s...

I really need to put my cross across better...

[Boomstick777]

Looking forward to the new cards, not long now.. Does anybody have any ideas on the price of the HD 6870? I want a new card but if its going to be over £200 I may just get a HD 5770 for now and add another later. Do you think the HD 5770 will drop in price as the new series is available?

[AmdOverclocker]

why? :P


What do you mean why? the 460 may be thier mid-range card (actually the 450 is mid-range, the 460 is a bit higher IMO) but, it is one of ther NEWER cards, thats why hes finding it frustrating, because you don't get what he's trying to say.

When the 6850 + 6870 are out (which IMO are going to fail miserably looking at prices and they changed the numbers... failure for AMD) they are gonna compete with the GTX 460... and the 470 in a way.. but thats GF100 so it consumes so much power and heat it will kind of fail by itself in that regard despite how good the peformance is LOL.

And Dunny, the 6850/6870 is going to be mid to kind-of-high-end range for AMD, the 6970 and 6990 (i think) will be there high-end cards.

The GTX 460 1GB will compete well against the 6850, and with its awesome value it will completely destroy it im guessing. the 6870 will be better but a complete rip-off looking at prices, and noobs will buy because they think it will have the same/better performance than a 5870.. lol.

the reason why ATI/AMD are changing the naming scheme is because its no longer "ATI".. its "AMD".. so they feel they have an excuse to do so i guess.

[ThunderFlash]

What do you mean why? the 460 may be thier mid-range card (actually the 450 is mid-range, the 460 is a bit higher IMO) but, it is one of ther NEWER cards, thats why hes finding it frustrating, because you don't get what he's trying to say.

When the 6850 + 6870 are out (which IMO are going to fail miserably looking at prices and they changed the numbers... failure for AMD) they are gonna compete with the GTX 460... and the 470 in a way.. but thats GF100 so it consumes so much power and heat it will kind of fail by itself in that regard despite how good the peformance is LOL.

And Dunny, the 6850/6870 is going to be mid to kind-of-high-end range for AMD, the 6970 and 6990 (i think) will be there high-end cards.

The GTX 460 1GB will compete well against the 6850, and with its awesome value it will completely destroy it im guessing. the 6870 will be better but a complete rip-off looking at prices, and noobs will buy because they think it will have the same/better performance than a 5870.. lol.

the reason why ATI/AMD are changing the naming scheme is because its no longer "ATI".. its "AMD".. so they feel they have an excuse to do so i guess.

Pretty much what how I should have worded a lot of what i was saying :thumb:

[AmdOverclocker]

Pretty much what how I should have worded a lot of what i was saying :thumb:

:) ;)

[ThunderFlash]

Bloody hell, my grammar there was awful too!

[AmdOverclocker]

Bloody hell, my grammar there was awful too!

"pretty much what how i should"

lol :D

[ThunderFlash]

Sounds about right :)

[AmdOverclocker]

Sounds about right :)


yup... :)

[theelusiveyoda]

so whats the expected release date for the replacement for the 5970?

[callumburns]

so whats the expected release date for the replacement for the 5970?

probably next year? is it not meant to be called the 6990 or something? i just want to know when the bloody 6750 & 6770's are getting released :( should be sometime this week surely!

[Helios1234]

We really won't.
The 68XX is now mid range, bringing it out at 210+ seems pointless, much like the 5830 was.

The 6870 is touted to be 5830-5850 performance, a shade off me saying it was about 5850 performance.

From what I can see, it will be between the 5850-5870 and be priced under £200 (more skewed towards the HD5850). That's not too bad at all. And tessellation performance should be on par with similarly priced Nvidia cards.

[ThunderFlash]

They best come out soon, i'm holding off purchasing a new rig because of them. :mad:

Hopefully they will drive the 460 prices down to about, ooooh, lets say 50 quid each.....:weeee

[Mr. Strawberry]

They best come out soon, i'm holding off purchasing a new rig because of them. :mad:

Hopefully they will drive the 460 prices down to about, ooooh, lets say 50 quid each.....:weeee
hope not just spent £240 on 2 of them :(

[ThunderFlash]

hope not just spent £240 on 2 of them :(


Well I think your hope is more likely than mine!

You in SLI? How is it?

[Guest]

Even that shows they will launch before Q1...

Could be launched today!
http://www.insidehw.com/News/Hardware/AMD-Radeon-HD-6000-and-NVIDIA-GT-430-scheduled-for-October-19.html

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

that article is too old... though you never know

[Mr. Strawberry]

Well I think your hope is more likely than mine!

You in SLI? How is it?
yep it is awesome

[Mr Moose]

Well they are coming this week. Probably the 22nd.

[ThunderFlash]

Does anything ever release when it's supposed to?!
I reckon next week...

[callumburns]

i think it was delayed by one week as to when they were actually meant to be released but hopefully they will be here on the 22nd i just cant wait to see what these things look like more than anything!

[Martin]

]Does anything ever release when it's supposed to?![/B]
I reckon next week...

Yes..............

[AmdOverclocker]

probably next year? is it not meant to be called the 6990 or something? i just want to know when the bloody 6750 & 6770's are getting released :( should be sometime this week surely!

Are you an idiot ? :)

[Martin]

Are you an idiot ? :)

He isn't.
Calling the 68XX the 67XX makes sense (At least, in the old naming scheme) the "true" 67XX is set to be a rebrand of Juniper.

[callumburns]

hence why im not an idiot thanks :)

[Mr Moose]

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1444/1/

Something else for you all to look at/read.

[Martin]

I love the OEM art.

[Helios1234]

Ok well, if other sites are doing a preview, I may as well mention I have both a 6850 and 6870 here with me.

[Martin]

Ok well, if other sites are doing a preview, I may as well mention I have both a 6850 and 6870 here with me.

It's cool.
I hate you :p

[Mr Moose]

Ok well, if other sites are doing a preview, I may as well mention I have both a 6850 and 6870 here with me.

I think you have to one up them now!

[Helios1234]

It's cool.
I hate you :p

:D, I won't reveal too much just yet. Plenty of benchmarking to be done and overclocking etc...


I think you have to one up them now!

I'll get some pics later on I hope.

[Martin]

When is the NDA up?
I'd only consider a 6870 if it can be had for 150 in about a months time, I'd get two to replace my 5970 as I like new.

[callumburns]

there very snazzy looking!

and Helios you jammy bugger :(!

[ZodiarK]

so whats the expected release date for the replacement for the 5970?

this!!!

[wuyanxu]

me want 6970........

can it be had for £300? can it drive 27inch high resolution monitor? can it play Crysis at 2560x1440? (5870 cannot :( )

[callumburns]

6970 or 6990 whatever the hell its gonna be called i doubt it will be any less than £400 and probably wont be out until early next year :(

[Martin]

6970 is out November ? God knows on price. It's AMD's new flagship single GPU

[redrooster303]

i'll be selling my 2 460's and getting either 2x6970's or a 6990, whichever is best/cheaper. feels like i'm upgrading every couple of month now lol. gonna have to start saving again.:(

[Helios1234]

When is the NDA up?
I'd only consider a 6870 if it can be had for 150 in about a months time, I'd get two to replace my 5970 as I like new.

Friday 5am here. I'll get some 6850/6870 CrossfireX numbers. Price is expected to be less than the £200 RRP for the HD6870 in retail.

[wuyanxu]

don't forget tessellation performance of 6870's. 5870's performance is embarrasing.

6970 is AMD's next top single GPU card, same as 5870 back in the days, so should be less than £350 going by 5870's pricing strategy.

[Martin]

Friday 5am here. I'll get some 6850/6870 CrossfireX numbers. Price is expected to be less than the £200 RRP for the HD6870 in retail.

Gibbo has been stating to expect it at like 210 for the 6870?
If it's 180, I'd get two on Launch. If not, I'll wait till the 6970 launches.

If two 6870's in Crossfire can match my 5970, I'll get them.

[El Wayneo]

**** is known for being steep though.

You pay extra for the awful service.

[Martin]

**** is known for being steep though.

You pay extra for the awful service.

We'll see.

I like the new factor and love clocking new cards.
I have a guide stickied on **** on flashing the 5870's lol, although I need to update the links as they died :p

[Helios1234]

Gibbo has been stating to expect it at like 210 for the 6870?
If it's 180, I'd get two on Launch. If not, I'll wait till the 6970 launches.

If two 6870's in Crossfire can match my 5970, I'll get them.

That's based on what MSI said but it will depend on stock level I bet.

[Martin]

That's based on what MSI said but it will depend on stock level I bet.

Intriguing.
Do I sell my 5970 now and order Friday for Saturday delivery or what lol :p?

[callumburns]

think i will sell my 5850 and get a 6870 :) i know its kinda similar if not a tad bit better but its updated hardware at the end of the day. probably get another to crossfire around christmas or something!

[El Wayneo]

think i will sell my 5850 and get a 6870 :) i know its kinda similar if not a tad bit better but its updated hardware at the end of the day. probably get another to crossfire around christmas or something!

I would hurry it up then if these are out on friday.

[Helios1234]

Intriguing.
Do I sell my 5970 now and order Friday for Saturday delivery or what lol :p?

I have no 5970 to compare to but I have some 5870+5850 numbers for comparison :thumb:. I'll let you know.

[callumburns]

I would hurry it up then if these are out on friday.

ha i would if i could get access to the trading section but im banned till after christmas according to Coiler.

[Martin]

ha i would if i could get access to the trading section but im banned till after christmas according to Coiler.

Kind of deserve that though imo.

[AmdOverclocker]

He isn't.
Calling the 68XX the 67XX makes sense (At least, in the old naming scheme) the "true" 67XX is set to be a rebrand of Juniper.

But there going to be low-end

[callumburns]

Kind of deserve that though imo.

right lets not get into what happened. jeez :|

[k3vst3r]

ha i would if i could get access to the trading section but im banned till after christmas according to Coiler.

What ya do lol

[Martin]

right lets not get into what happened. jeez :|

I wasn't getting into it.

[Mr. Strawberry]

that 6850 looks to big for 1 6pin connector :D

[AmdOverclocker]

that 6850 looks to big for 1 6pin connector :D
yeah lol but performance wise if its like a 5830 then it shouldn't need 2x 6-pin :)

[callumburns]

that 6850 looks to big for 1 6pin connector :D

might be because there more energy efficient :)

[Mr Moose]

It's making me tempted to go for a 6xxx card with all these leaks/info and pending releases. But I have to remember that I don't really need one....

[theelusiveyoda]

dunno if you guys have seen this but i want a q4 launch for dual gpu 6990

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/20545-cayman-xt-and-pro-are-radeon-hd-6970-and-hd-6950

[callumburns]

i knew the dual gpu card was gonna be called the 6990 :lol: and i wouldnt count on a q4 release there will no doubt be a delay of somesort, but then again hopefully not :p

[theelusiveyoda]

I intend to get one on launch day,
and i am not going to get a xfx card not after my 5870 has died.

[ThunderFlash]

Gagging for a review now....

[Mr Moose]

Would be nice to have the 6990 but I dout it will fit in a 690II

[wuyanxu]

oh well, i'll help you destroy your case :) it'd be worth it

can't wait for 6970.....

[Zaim]

TDP for 6870

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/20547-radeon-hd-6870-has-151w-tdp

[Mishima]

GONEZ0R!

[Terbinator]

Boo, tease.

[Mishima]

Hehehe :P

[Mr. Strawberry]

worst cooler for SLi or crossfire

[Terbinator]

worst cooler for SLi or crossfire

I was going to suggest that. Why are Asus using this shat cooler.

[Helios1234]

Because the cooler is actually quite good...

[Mr. Strawberry]

not when using crossfire or SLi
it is pants and louder than the referance one
or atleast on my ones it is

[Mishima]

Can you hear a mouse fart?

[Mr. Strawberry]

i can indeed

[Terbinator]

Because the cooler is actually quite good...

Granted, I'm thinking more of the 460's version so it isn't really a fair comparison but surely there are better designed coolers that will be in the same price range as this card?

[Mishima]

you are too fussy!! :D

[Mr. Strawberry]

i will bet these GTX460s that the 5850 directCU cooler will fit on the gtx460 versions PCB
i know they will because both are non-ref PCBS so it would make sense for ASUS to keep all the mounting points the same to cut down on costs ;)

[Mr Moose]

Little comparison slide from AMD's conference:

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/6130/capturefcr.jpg

[redrooster303]

so the 6970 is knocking at the door of a 5970 power wise and will be out more or less the same time as the 6850. or am i looking at that chart all wrong??:)

[Mr Moose]

No the horizontal axis is time and the vertical is performance. So yes the 6970(single gpu) will be around the 5970 (Dual gpu)
6850 will be just shy of 5850.

[Dunny774]

If that diagram is correct I'll defo get a 6870 :)

[callumburns]

ahh i dont know what card to go for :( get a 6870 which is only a little better than a 5850 then another one around christmas or wait till the end of november or whatever to get 6970 which is nearly as good as a 5970 :| decisions decisions..

[ZodiarK]

looks like a 6990 for me then

[callumburns]

looks like a 6990 for me then

you better start saving then mate :lol: