View Full Version : Is Bioshock the best game ever made. edit:(thus far)?
Now i definately had to ask this one :)
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What would you say is the best then?
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id have resident evil (all of em) because i just love the story (even though the ai is awful and graphics questionable).
System Shock 2 was just awsome (i still like to play it occasionally)
Quake because it rocked
and silent hill 4 because was very weird!
BUT BIOSHOCK IS NUMERO UNO :)
half life
chuckie egg or bubble bobble :D
now they are all classic but are they really the best games of all time.
all classics and you could have a game of any and really enjoy it could you say the same about bioshock in 5 or 10 years time?
i dont think so :?
Super Puzzle Fighter 2 :D
id love to know who voted flibble
I love bubble bobble but you could never beat the new zealand story!
http://www.c64gg.com/Images/N/New_Zealand_Story_intro.gif
Edited by bouncyb:soz mate, you had an error bout remote linking so i put this classic c64 image up :)
Lovefist233
13-09-07, 15:59
I voted no, I love Bioshock, it's an amazing game with an immersive story line and it makes you think a lot too, plus theres the moral decision you have to make whether to harvest or save the little sisters.
That said, it's not the greatest game of all time, there will never be a greatest game of all time, but here are some of the best:
Perfect Dark (N64)
The GTA Series
Goldeneye 64
Sonic 1, 2 and 3
The Suffering (PS2 as XBOX controls were screwy)
The Half-Life series
Sorry but i feel for the most enjoyment you cant beat Wii sport or Wii play.
get a few peeps round with beer and the fun never stops lol
I love my Wii....
you love your wii sports too much dont you,lol
you dont get a body like mine with out playing wii ya know!
http://www.donpan.co.uk/images/2dwork/sk_match.jpg
i find your body rather disturbing, i have a better body!!
http://www.mrmuscleonline.co.uk/images/punny_body1.jpg
I finished BioShock in a mere 13 hours, and had beaten all three difficulty settings in well under a week. That rules it out from being the best game ever made, in my opinion.
Though the opening 30 minutes were a joy to play, and you know that part where Cohen thinks you're losing faith in his masterpiece and sets his Splicers on you while that classical music plays in the background? I felt priveleged to be able to play that sequence. Shooting them in time to the music was just such fun.
But no. My favourite game ever is probably Quake [DOS], or maybe Perfect Dark [Nintendo 64].
Oh, and if you liked BioShock, play System Shock 2. Much better game.
system shock 2 is awsome. same sort of game play with modifications and reasonable story. graphics are a little dated now, but i still play it every now and then.
I like Half-Life and BF2 (2142) etc but not bioshock. I prefer a bit of realism to my games :)
realism!! and i guess that half life and bf2142 has all the qualities of realism,lol.
lol 2142 is as real as it gets matey, heres a quote:
One's real life is often the life that one does not lead
I found this (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/1394-Zero-Punctuation-BioShock) bioshock video review highly amusing. And its basically what I have been saying about Bioshock from day one.
Its a good game, but its a shiney dumbed down version of Systemshock2.
i know, its the spiritual successor to system shock 2. after the ending is system shock 2, id been hoping to see shodan pop up again :( ill have you know i own both games, the first one (albiet sooo old and dated with its 2d/3d graphics) it was awsome at the time.
System Shock 2 is hardly \"dated\" in terms of graphics. It's 3D after all.
And I'd rather play it than most of the dump that gets published these days.
its graphics are dated in comparison to the rounded polished 3 graphics with their eye candy and textures and hdr etc etc :) but its still a good game. If you are a System Shock 2 Fanboy, i recommend this review,
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/1394-Zero-Punctuation-BioShock
being a bioshock fanboy i still found it very funny :)
I'm not a System Shock 2 fanboy, not by a long shot.
And that review had already been sent to me by a friend and it is spot-on, I must say.
hmm.. best game...
Goldeneye :D for N64 a no.1 classic :)
[quote:c2700a8802=\"mike0111\"]hmm.. best game...
Goldeneye :D for N64 a no.1 classic :)[/quote:c2700a8802]
Hell yeah, son.
Look everyone - this is a real person who grew up with the right games.
;D
bah... just a classic... still play every so often online play :P
[quote:ae035f3111=\"mike0111\"]bah... just a classic... still play every so often online play :P[/quote:ae035f3111]
The online play is far too slow to be worthwhile, I take it you mean over Kaillera or whatever it's called?
I do like to play GoldenEye: Source online though. It's not the same obviously, but it's a laugh.
yh kaieller thingy :p... not bad if u get ppl who are close :d...
[quote:eae534aedb=\"mike0111\"]yh kaieller thingy :p... not bad if u get ppl who are close :d...[/quote:eae534aedb]
I tried it with my mate up the road with Perfect Dark, but it was just awful. We both have crappy 1MiB ADSL connections though, and he connects to his router via WiFi because he sucks at life. I guess it would be good over LAN or something.
oh ok if your going to start saying \"classics\" are the best games, mariokart on the snes :)
[quote:19a3d5ef07=\"bouncyb\"]oh ok if your going to start saying \"classics\" are the best games, mariokart on the snes :)[/quote:19a3d5ef07]
Well they are. Everything released these days can be completed within a day or two and is easy as pie. Unless you count \"games\" such as World of Failcraft which are more akin to a second job.
warcraft ftl... mario ftw
also second that. people who play world of w**k*r* are not right in the head,lol. mario or bioshock though, bioshock ftw.
I don't know if you guys ever played id Software's \"Quake\" back in the day, but I've been playing it since day one. However it was only yesterday that I picked up the two official \"Mission Packs\" which continue the Quake single-player.
I'm currently playing through the second mission pack \"Dissolution of Eternity\" and it's great. If you're looking for a cheap classic, eBay for it - it's alot of fun.
[quote:28529e13d1=\"Hosser\"]I don't know if you guys ever played id Software's \"Quake\" back in the day, but I've been playing it since day one. However it was only yesterday that I picked up the two official \"Mission Packs\" which continue the Quake single-player.
I'm currently playing through the second mission pack \"Dissolution of Eternity\" and it's great. If you're looking for a cheap classic, eBay for it - it's alot of fun.[/quote:28529e13d1]
If only I could get GLQuake to run properly... Any hints?
I use DarkPlaces with dpmod and a 3GB texture pack that makes Quake really look the balls.
You could try DarkPlaces instead, it's a great client:
http://icculus.org/twilight/darkplaces/
Just download it and move all the files into your /Quake directory.
GLQuake is a bit outdated now, so it's no surprise that it doesn't work for you - it only had rudimentary support for graphics cards at the time. GLProQuake or standard ProQuake are the ones to use these days, if you're not interested in the advanced features of clients such as DarkPlaces and Qrack.
[quote:24bc020299=\"bouncyb\"]quake sucks ball![/quote:24bc020299]
I'm intrigued by just what level of wrongness you can reach...
Go on - say something you think is correct but is, in fact, complete and utter ********...
hey i only said one, not two,lol
[quote:a7cd78f16f=\"bouncyb\"]quake sucks ball![/quote:a7cd78f16f]
Yes dear. Now go back to playing Halo 2, would you? :roll:
I like head over heals on the Speccy 128!
ULTIMATE
http://www.duketastrophy.demon.co.uk/spectrum/specrevs/headheel/review.htm
eeeuwww, halo 2 is awful! im still saying bioshock and system shock 2
http://www.whatisthe2gs.apple2.org.za/the_fairway/game_pages/game_boxes_large/paperboy.jpg
I'm going with paperboy... awsome game. made me wanna become a paperboy to knock old dears plant pots over. i wonder why i never got paid though :roll:
http://retrospec.sgn.net/games/hoh/
ITS now freeware WOW!
[quote:25e7203cc7=\"bouncyb\"]eeeuwww, halo 2 is awful! im still saying bioshock and system shock 2[/quote:25e7203cc7]
Without Quake and its revolutionary 3D engine, I doubt either of those games would be quite the same.
Oh that reminds me, Sl4x0r; have you played a game called \"Painkiller\"? It's very similar to Quake in many ways - lots of people have claimed that it is Quake's spiritual successor. Give it a go if you see it in a shop, I got the special edition set and the Battle out of Hell expansion for a mere £10 (£5 each).
painkiller is an awful game. all it involves in masses and masses of baddies constantly attacking you from all angles!!!
[quote:130cd9d3a5=\"bouncyb\"]painkiller is an awful game. all it involves in masses and masses of baddies constantly attacking you from all angles!!![/quote:130cd9d3a5]
Serious Sam did that very well!
ive never played serious sam but ive had the unfortunate privelege of playing painkiller. i needed painkillers after playing it due to the sheer number of baddies that where thrown at you. when i say thrown, i litterally mean it. there was no tought, no ai, just carnage of a none enjoyable nature, and the weapons sucked.
Ah well, try serious sam! The fights were more like pitched battles between you and wave after wave of baddies.
It was utter endurance gaming, when you thought you had defeated the last wave, surely that must be it? No no, that was only the halfway breather...
The weapons in serious sam are really good though, and theres loads of Quake-esque hidden areas to find, I never did find em all :(
im not into endurance carnage, i like a game that thinks level and stabs you in the back when your not looking as apposed to mindless hordes of baddies. if i wanted mindless hordes of baddies id go stand outside man uniteds ground in a liverpool shirt shouting \"come on you reds\"
[quote:c2245311a4=\"bouncyb\"]im not into endurance carnage, i like a game that thinks level and stabs you in the back when your not looking as apposed to mindless hordes of baddies. if i wanted mindless hordes of baddies id go stand outside man uniteds ground in a liverpool shirt shouting \"come on you reds\"[/quote:c2245311a4]
See; Serious Sam is basically that but you have a chaingun...
I like thinking games too, but I just hate it when a game does something totally random that you could never have predicted and then you die. Then you reload, knowing whats coming and avoid the trick; that kind of thing is just pointless.
[quote:309833f767=\"bouncyb\"]im not into endurance carnage, i like a game that thinks level and stabs you in the back when your not looking as apposed to mindless hordes of baddies. if i wanted mindless hordes of baddies id go stand outside man uniteds ground in a liverpool shirt shouting \"come on you reds\"[/quote:309833f767] :lol:
you wouldnt be the first person to do that :)
lol, ye ever liverpool suporter who has gone to the ground, but im talkin on my own. thats the sort of carnage these games provide and its pointless
[quote:06c3dcdb04=\"Hosser\"]Oh that reminds me, Sl4x0r; have you played a game called \"Painkiller\"? It's very similar to Quake in many ways - lots of people have claimed that it is Quake's spiritual successor. Give it a go if you see it in a shop, I got the special edition set and the Battle out of Hell expansion for a mere £10 (£5 each).[/quote:06c3dcdb04]
Painkiller was no spiritual successor to Quake - just because it was dark - Ppphh...
I also remember painkiller had other colours than brown in it...
Was a reasonable game though - but I couldn't get passed fighting Satan at the end... Got bored and gave up.
Reasonable game though
it was just hacking and slashing. at least in bioshock and system shock 2 the baddies had an ai, and there was a little thinking involved. and yes, very brown.
[quote:1fc81f2224=\"bouncyb\"]it was just hacking and slashing. at least in bioshock and system shock 2 the baddies had an ai, and there was a little thinking involved. and yes, very brown.[/quote:1fc81f2224]
Oh yeaaaaaaah, BioShock had great AI. The way they ran straight at you down long corridors. Just fantastic. Remember all that crap about how BioShock was going to be the \"shooter 2.0\"? What a massive load of dingo's kidneys - all the FPS conventions were there; crates, invisible barriers, brainless enemies, expostion via diaries, the same old weapons, including a good old \"hitting stick\" in this case a Wrench (again). How orignal and revolutionary. Shooter 2.0 my ****. Give me the Shooter 1.0 back.
Painkiller was a welcome return for me, to a time where games didn't need hours of exposition that no-one cares about, and it had very simple gameplay: Get to the end of the level, kill things and find secrets. In this way it is very similar to Quake. Even the architecture and weapons are very similar.
Oh yeaaaaaaah, BioShock had great AI. The way they ran straight at you down long corridors. Just fantastic. Remember all that crap about how BioShock was going to be the \"shooter 2.0\"? What a massive load of dingo's kidneys - all the FPS conventions were there; crates, invisible barriers, brainless enemies, expostion via diaries, the same old weapons, including a good old \"hitting stick\" in this case a Wrench (again). How orignal and revolutionary. Shooter 2.0 my ****. Give me the Shooter 1.0 back.
Painkiller was a welcome return for me, to a time where games didn't need hours of exposition that no-one cares about, and it had very simple gameplay: Get to the end of the level, kill things and find secrets. In this way it is very similar to Quake. Even the architecture and weapons are very similar.
obviously you havent actually played the game so let me (that being someone who has played it twice so far) fill you in on a few points.
Those mindless idiots that just run at you down long corridors are in fact mindless idiots who have been mutated and are a bit mad.
They do run towards you with various implements (being that they dont really have much of a choice) and sometimes they have guns too!! they dont just run, they stop, they dodge, they even hide and run away if they are getting a little bit gunned down.
You set them on fire, and what do they do, run about and try to put themself out, which they skillfully do by jumping into any available water (and of course they just die if none is available).
If they are getting a little low on health, that awful ai goes and tries to find a health station, and by golly that awful ai then goes and uses it to replenish its health and then proceeds to lay down merry hell on ur rear end.
Im of course only focussing on a few aspects of the ai that ive experiences, and im of course foregetting the amazing graphics and artwork, the water effects, the great music score, the atmospheric sounds throughout the game, and the story with its twists.[/quote]
I did notice the AI in bioshock trying to flank me, which was cool.
And using health stations is good, but their almost constant use of the health stations made it all too easy.
They would always run off and use a hacked health station and of course die horribly. Even if there was a pile of bodies next to it. They practically queued up for a go on the death machine.
They also like to run over water when I have my electro plasmid equipped, and over oil when I have the flame equipped. I would have thought it obvious what I was about to do to them! But no they merrily go for a paddle and promptly get fried.
And they guys with pipes had loads of choice, they could choose not to commit suicide by charging the guy with a shotgun. They could even pick up a gun off the ground, I really wish they would have scrounged for weapons.
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I did notice the AI in bioshock trying to flank me, which was cool.
And using health stations is good, but their almost constant use of the health stations made it all too easy.
They would always run off and use a hacked health station and of course die horribly. Even if there was a pile of bodies next to it. They practically queued up for a go on the death machine.
They also like to run over water when I have my electro plasmid equipped, and over oil when I have the flame equipped. I would have thought it obvious what I was about to do to them! But no they merrily go for a paddle and promptly get fried.
And they guys with pipes had loads of choice, they could choose not to commit suicide by charging the guy with a shotgun. They could even pick up a gun off the ground, I really wish they would have scrounged for weapons.
im sorry, your right about the health stations. and of course you didnt use any health stations during your playing the game or health packs, or in fact drink any alchohol did you before completing the game. if you had done, that would have made it a little easy now wouldnt it.
in fact despite the amount of corpses around the machine as a result of your killing spree or the killing of others (which does happen), you ran away from the machine shouting for your mommy and a band aid!
i bet you never accidently touched fire at least once, and im quite sure that attacking a big daddy in itself was suicide!!
i do hear you about the inability to scrounge for weapons but its not unforgivable.
Oh yeaaaaaaah, BioShock had great AI. The way they ran straight at you down long corridors. Just fantastic. Remember all that crap about how BioShock was going to be the \"shooter 2.0\"? What a massive load of dingo's kidneys - all the FPS conventions were there; crates, invisible barriers, brainless enemies, expostion via diaries, the same old weapons, including a good old \"hitting stick\" in this case a Wrench (again). How orignal and revolutionary. Shooter 2.0 my ****. Give me the Shooter 1.0 back.
Painkiller was a welcome return for me, to a time where games didn't need hours of exposition that no-one cares about, and it had very simple gameplay: Get to the end of the level, kill things and find secrets. In this way it is very similar to Quake. Even the architecture and weapons are very similar.
obviously you havent actually played the game so let me (that being someone who has played it twice so far) fill you in on a few points.
Those mindless idiots that just run at you down long corridors are in fact mindless idiots who have been mutated and are a bit mad.
They do run towards you with various implements (being that they dont really have much of a choice) and sometimes they have guns too!! they dont just run, they stop, they dodge, they even hide and run away if they are getting a little bit gunned down.
You set them on fire, and what do they do, run about and try to put themself out, which they skillfully do by jumping into any available water (and of course they just die if none is available).
If they are getting a little low on health, that awful ai goes and tries to find a health station, and by golly that awful ai then goes and uses it to replenish its health and then proceeds to lay down merry hell on ur rear end.
Im of course only focussing on a few aspects of the ai that ive experiences, and im of course foregetting the amazing graphics and artwork, the water effects, the great music score, the atmospheric sounds throughout the game, and the story with its twists.[/quote:df74bae9a1]
I've played this game through a total of three times, once on each difficulty level. I have yet to be killed, and I finished the game in 13 hours on my first run through. Rest assured, I have seen everything this game has to offer, including all the Psi-Powe-- *ahem* Plasmids and Gene Tonics.
I'm not saying that BioShock was a bad game, nor was it the easiest I have ever played, I was merely irritated by the hype that surrounded it; you must admit this \"Shooter 2.0\" stuff is nonsense, it's not revolutionary in any way.
[quote:0680712117=\"bouncyb\"]
im sorry, your right about the health stations. and of course you didnt use any health stations during your playing the game or health packs, or in fact drink any alchohol did you before completing the game. if you had done, that would have made it a little easy now wouldnt it.
in fact despite the amount of corpses around the machine as a result of your killing spree or the killing of others (which does happen), you ran away from the machine shouting for your mommy and a band aid!
i bet you never accidently touched fire at least once, and im quite sure that attacking a big daddy in itself was suicide!!
i do hear you about the inability to scrounge for weapons but its not unforgivable.[/quote:0680712117]
Well I never needed any alchohol or health stations. The health packs every 10 paces were ample to keep me alive while killing big daddies with the wrench.
By the end of the game I was just running about using the electro plasmid and shotgun combination. Clever AI can't do anything if its stood there juddering like a moron while I run up to the guy and shoot him in the face.
Setting splicers on fire then electrocuting them when they went in the water was good for a laugh, but its far easier to shoot them with Anti-Personnell rounds. So I only did it once.
im sure if you ran round and round on bf2142 that all the other players would be shooting everywhere like morons having a hard time hitting you, and thats humans!!
after a private discussion with funlester, i agree with him that this thread is now tooo game like and as this is offtopic and lighthearted (and had got a little hardcore) im closing this thread.
Thanks for all the input though.
BouncyB
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