Build Suggestions for an Architecture Masters Student

[akbarirfan]

Hi All,

I am looking to build a computer with a maximum budget of £500 that will run the programs: Vray (rendering), Adobe Photoshop CS5, Adobe InDesign, AutoCad, Rhino 3d Modelling Program, 3d max, sketchup and flamingo rendering with no problems.

I know you guys are the experts, so can you check out my build please!

Looking to order on Tuesday 10th August in the evening.

Here is what I have come up with:

Processor
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 2.8GHz 9MB Cache Socket AM3 Retail Box Processor

Monitor
LG 21.5" W2246S-BF 16:9 Wide LCD Monitor 1920x1080 5ms 1000:1- Black

Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H 880G Socket AM3 8 Channel Audio MATX Motherboard

Memory
Patriot Viper 4GB (2x2GB) PC3-10666 1333MHz Dual Channel (PVS34G1333ELK)

Graphics Card
XFX GeForce 9800 GT 512MB GDDR3 PCI-Express Graphics Card

Power Supply Unit
Corsair 400W CX PSU - 12cm Fan 80Plus Certified Efficiency 6x SATA 1x PCI-E

Hard Drive
Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 16MB Cache - OEM

DVD-RW
Samsung TS-H653G DVD-RW SATA Optical Drive

Mouse and Keyboard
Black Wireless 2.4GHz Multimedia Keyboard and Optical Mouse with Nano USB Receiver

This all adds up to about £580!!

I am willing to buy these items second hand to get the price down to meet the budget.

Thanks!

[Terbinator]

For rendering your definitely best going the Core i7 route as the 8 threads and immense bandwidth would help you out a bunch.

[akbarirfan]

Hi Terbinator,

Thanks for the suggestion..

I can't get a decent i7 build within budget though.

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

HI

you need to increse your budget if you think you can do what you want no problem!

[DoubleTop]

HI

you need to increse your budget if you think you can do what you want no problem!

note the word student in the OP - and then stay on topic at helping with the requested budget :)

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

stay on topic at helping with the requested budget :)

what part of my post wasn't on topic? :confused:


Hi All,

I am looking to build a computer with a maximum budget of £500 that will run the programs: Vray (rendering), Adobe Photoshop CS5, Adobe InDesign, AutoCad, Rhino 3d Modelling Program, 3d max, sketchup and flamingo rendering with no problems.



HI

you need to increse your budget if you think you can do what you want no problem!

[michaelkenward]

A couple of points, if you are doing the degree somewhere with a reputation, they will have better advice on the kit you need than a place where gamers rule the roost. (Nothing wrong with that, it just limits the expertise on tap.)

Your university (?) may also offer you better deals than a retail outfit.

Also, check out the "learned society" that your qualification will get you into. Some of them have good discount offers. (I am in the IEEE, which, sadly, doesn't seem to haggle with suppliers outside the USA.)

People love students, especially Masters. Milk it for all it is worth.

[Zaim]

I think what you've chosen already looks good for your budget. maybe change the ram to this:

http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/OCZ+Gold+4GB+(2x2GB)+DDR3+PC3-10666C9+1333MHz+Dual+Channel+Kit+?productId=37540

maybe a sli board if you want to add another 9800gt later on?

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/AMD+Socket+AM3/Asus+M4N75TD+nForce+750a+(Socket+AM3)+DDR3+PCI-Express+Motherboard+?productId=40620

[marsey99]

what part of my post wasn't on topic? :confused:

dont be so paedantic, if you think you can rework his system to fit a i7 go on, im sure he has tried and is looking for another way to do it too.

@barirfan

tbh i think you have picked a pretty solid system, 6 cores should do you proud in most of the rendering stuff and the g92 core on the 9800gt will monster the adobe stuff if you get the cuda plug in. the only thing i can think is a second hdd in raid would give you massive boost onreading/writing times if your rendering huge files and you might find 4gb of ram fills up quickly too.

if you was to double up on these you would need to trim the build else where tho, you could save a few quid on a cheaper screen or mobo or maybe with some value ram but you might just be better adding them at a later date tbh.

[akbarirfan]

Thanks for the replies guys.

That RAM looks good, Aria prices seem to be working in my favour too, the RAM and GFX including pnp have totalled up to be cheaper than the competitor I was going to buy from!!

[Smifis]

dont be so paedantic, if you think you can rework his system to fit a i7 go on, im sure he has tried and is looking for another way to do it too.

@barirfan

tbh i think you have picked a pretty solid system, 6 cores should do you proud in most of the rendering stuff and the g92 core on the 9800gt will monster the adobe stuff if you get the cuda plug in. the only thing i can think is a second hdd in raid would give you massive boost onreading/writing times if your rendering huge files and you might find 4gb of ram fills up quickly too.

if you was to double up on these you would need to trim the build else where tho, you could save a few quid on a cheaper screen or mobo or maybe with some value ram but you might just be better adding them at a later date tbh.

Cuda has no effect on a 9800GT with the Adobe Software. A Quadro is most suited but Aria dont sell them :D

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

i would recommend buying a compatible phenom x6 mobo second hand

as well as buying as much cheap RAM second hand too! you will want at least 8gb

with graphics the 9800gt wont be too bad but i think you would be better served trying to get a gtx460.

also dont be shy of quad cores, the AMD phenom 2 line is pretty good and rendering on a quad isnt all that bad as long as you have enough memory. i use my 955 for rendering at it is leagues ahead of my uni's workstations

[Smifis]

BrokenFeet, You will not see any difference between a 9800GT and a GTX460 with this type of thing. A Quadro would benefit but it is ultimately all on the CPU

[AmdOverclocker]

Hi All,

I am looking to build a computer with a maximum budget of £500 that will run the programs: Vray (rendering), Adobe Photoshop CS5, Adobe InDesign, AutoCad, Rhino 3d Modelling Program, 3d max, sketchup and flamingo rendering with no problems.

I know you guys are the experts, so can you check out my build please!

Looking to order on Tuesday 10th August in the evening.

Here is what I have come up with:

Processor
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 2.8GHz 9MB Cache Socket AM3 Retail Box Processor

Monitor
LG 21.5" W2246S-BF 16:9 Wide LCD Monitor 1920x1080 5ms 1000:1- Black

Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H 880G Socket AM3 8 Channel Audio MATX Motherboard

Memory
Patriot Viper 4GB (2x2GB) PC3-10666 1333MHz Dual Channel (PVS34G1333ELK)

Graphics Card
XFX GeForce 9800 GT 512MB GDDR3 PCI-Express Graphics Card

Power Supply Unit
Corsair 400W CX PSU - 12cm Fan 80Plus Certified Efficiency 6x SATA 1x PCI-E

Hard Drive
Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 16MB Cache - OEM

DVD-RW
Samsung TS-H653G DVD-RW SATA Optical Drive

Mouse and Keyboard
Black Wireless 2.4GHz Multimedia Keyboard and Optical Mouse with Nano USB Receiver

This all adds up to about £580!!

I am willing to buy these items second hand to get the price down to meet the budget.

Thanks!


https://www.aria.co.uk/WishList/gIqG6QDqu67QXVPsmyu4Vg,,

better and cheaper :thumb:

[akbarirfan]

Wow I am getting lots of different views now..talk about confused!

I posted this thread up on 2 competitor forums about 2 weeks ago, I think my build is pretty solid and shall do the job.

I have not bought anything from Aria before, I always found it to be over-priced, oh my was I wrong...

[Pancake]

https://www.aria.co.uk/WishList/gIqG6QDqu67QXVPsmyu4Vg,,

better and cheaper :thumb:

you really want a 500w PSU with that

[AmdOverclocker]

you really want a 500w PSU with that


good point! :)

[akbarirfan]

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[I3R0K3N7FEET]

BrokenFeet, You will not see any difference between a 9800GT and a GTX460 with this type of thing. A Quadro would benefit but it is ultimately all on the CPU

i completely agree with you on the quadro.

which leads to why i made the statement

HI

you need to increase your budget if you think you can do what you want no problem!

firstly adobe products do do gpu acceleration on desktop products afaik.

secondly FERMI is amazing in a 3D environment and will be better than a 9800GT the likes of 3dMAX and auto cad will definately be better for it
i am making the assumption that he DOES do 3D work as I do 3D work.

and yes... i did say do do

[akbarirfan]

Ok can you recommend a 500w PSU?

I am going for the Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H 880G Socket AM3 8 Channel Audio MATX Motherboard which needs 1 x 24-pin ATX main power connector
1 x 8-pin ATX 12V power connector (http://www.******.com/product/218935)

[Pancake]

Corsair or OCZ for the PSU. any one thats over 500.

[akbarirfan]

Cannot seem to find a better PSU than the Corsair CX400, it is £30ish around the interwebs ;)

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

stick with the corsair CX400

BTW do you need a case?

[akbarirfan]

Ok will do.

Yes will need a case, looking at getting one for £18.99

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

personally i would suggest that it is worth buying some good quality things now so you can upgrade later. the chances are the workstations at your uni are capable enough and you can make do in the mean time.

[Ninjacat]

Cannot seem to find a better PSU than the Corsair CX400, it is £30ish around the interwebs ;)

if you contact the Sales Team at Aria im sure they might price match that PSU for you, or any products you might find on the interwebs :thumb:

I dont really have a clue when it comes to a good Set up for Rendering, but these guys know there stuff, as they have helped me build my machine :)

Some bits are now Discontinued lol

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Monitors/22+Inch+LCD/Samsung+Lavender+SM-P2250+22%22+True+HD+Widescreen+LCD+Monitor+-+Glossy+Black+?productId=39459

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/500w+%2B/OCZ+StealthXStream+700W+Silent+SLI/Crossfire+Ready+ATX2.2+Power+Supply+?productId=342 71

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR3+Dual+Channel+%E2%80%93+1333MHz+%2F+PC3-10666/Geil+Black+Dragon+Ultra+2GB+(2x1GB)+PC3-10666C7+1333MHz+Dual+Channel+Memory+Kit+?productId =40783&rqcType=r

https://www.aria.co.uk/WishList/FYgqjbvkPloKUs0F-y-eHQ,,

but everyone here was extremely helpful and suggested some parts that i didnt even know where cheaper than what i had looked at

[akbarirfan]

Ah ok will contact Aria peeps then bahamut!

I think 6 cores would perfom better than the i5 I think..is that correct?

Do Aria sell this mobo: Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H 880G Socket AM3 8 Channel Audio MATX Motherboard

I cannot find it on here, can somebody double check please? :)

Thanks

[Ninjacat]

Ah ok will contact Aria peeps then bahamut!

Do Aria sell this mobo: Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H 880G Socket AM3 8 Channel Audio MATX Motherboard

I cannot find it on here, can somebody double check please? :)

Thanks

i dont think they do maybe there is a compatable alternative to what your looking for ?

maybe someone here could suggest one :)

[akbarirfan]

It looks like there is no mobo that matches it spec wise!

[Zaim]

How about this psu?

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/650W+or+less/OCZ+StealthXStream+2+600W+Power+Supply?productId=4 0944

[Smifis]

firstly adobe products do do gpu acceleration on desktop products afaik.

secondly FERMI is amazing in a 3D environment and will be better than a 9800GT the likes of 3dMAX and auto cad will definately be better for it
i am making the assumption that he DOES do 3D work as I do 3D work.

and yes... i did say do do

I would like to know your source, I do know that Anything below a quadro will have no effect of premiere pro, after effects and photoshop so i would assume that it would apply across the board


Ah ok will contact Aria peeps then bahamut!

I think 6 cores would perfom better than the i5 I think..is that correct?

Do Aria sell this mobo: Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H 880G Socket AM3 8 Channel Audio MATX Motherboard

I cannot find it on here, can somebody double check please? :)

Thanks

Adobe like all of Intel's extra instuctions and generally runs faster. I'm not sure about the others although with the aMD having 2 extra cores, they should be able neck and neck


How about this psu?

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplies/650W+or+less/OCZ+StealthXStream+2+600W+Power+Supply?productId=4 0944
I think that would be ideal

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

I would like to know your source, I do know that Anything below a quadro will have no effect of premiere pro, after effects and photoshop so i would assume that it would apply across the board


http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/405/kb405445.html

all latest cards that run the latest open GL are supported. in most CS4-CS5 products.

again.. im not arguing on the fact that a quadro would be the best choice. my point is that a quadro is out of his budget. and peformance in adobe products is nothing compared to what one will need in a 3d environment.

but you are obviously an expert in workstation performance because i seem have no clue being an Architectural Technologist.

[Smifis]

You're a version behind mate :thumb:

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

AHHHHHHHHHH!

[akbarirfan]

PSU is nice Zaim, but way out the budget.

I think the Corsair CX400w should do the job (if it was a budget 400w PSU then I would say otherwise)

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/404/kb404898.html

lol the CX400w will be man enough for most single graphics cards

[Zaim]

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[I3R0K3N7FEET]

whats deleted? D: lol

ive lost track of things... i think i will go hang myself now xD



good luck with the build mate!

[akbarirfan]

I have been on the phone to the Aria sales team..do they ever give you a special deal? Due to a big order? (Big for my bank account anyway)

Thanks

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

I have been on the phone to the Aria sales team..do they ever give you a special deal? Due to a big order? (Big for my bank account anyway)

Thanks

does anywhere? a big order for a company like this is ordering quipment for over 20 machines. then you might get a small deal :P

[akbarirfan]

It's always worth a try though!!

Got a cheeky £15 discount :)

Can anybody advise me on a cheaper Full HD Monitor? basicallt the same spec but smaller screen thus cheaper pricetag.

Thanks

[akbarirfan]

Ok dudes,

ordering this lot tomorrow :)

Corsair CX Series 400W ATX2.2 Power Supply
DVI-D to DVI-D Cable 1.8 Meters
OCZ Gold 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-10666C9 1333MHz
Samsung HD502HJ F3 500GB 3.5" SATA II Hard Drive
Samsung SH-S223C 22x Internal DVD±R/RW SATA Dri
XFX GeForce 9800 GT 512MB GDDR3 PCI-Express Gr
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 2.80GHz Processor
Arianet Cream 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor
Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H 880G Socket AM3 8 Channel Audio MATX Motherboard
Black Wireless 2.4GHz Multimedia Keyboard and Optical Mouse with Nano USB Receiver
Casecom Shiny Piano Black Mini Tower Case with Blue LED Fan - No PSU

Can't wait to assemble it!

Haven't done a build this hi-tech for a long time!

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

photos in the show us yours thread when youre done ;D

[akbarirfan]

Will do..is this an upload to photobucket and copy links in job?

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

yeh paste the direct linkts into the 'insert image' on the quick reply
or manually add tags around the image url

[img <nospace> ] <nospace> direct link here <nospace> [/img <nospace>]

[Zaim]

whats deleted? D: lol

ive lost track of things... i think i will go hang myself now xD


lol, I wrote something then thought nvm. :ninja:

[NickCPC]

Looks good, I'm looking forward to photos too :) enjoy building it!

[akbarirfan]

Btw exactly what photo's should I take? Any item in particular?

Usually I just take a pic of all the components, then midway through assembly!

I am going to take this one slow though :)

[TheMadDutchDude]

Just show us as you go along and the finished product. Remember, we like neat cables (a certain few will hunt and gun you down if you don't do a good job:rolleyes:)!

To help out. Don't use [img] tags. When you copy in a link, use the [img] tags but put an m in there too to automatically thumbnail them. Do it like so:

[img NO SPACE m] URL OF THE IMAGE HERE [/img NO SPACE m]

[akbarirfan]

Ok thanks for the tip DutchDude...hmm I have never really done anything with regards to tidying up cable, any tips on what to use? Tiny cable ties?

Thanks

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

making cables tidy by making sure they dont track across the motherboard and they are neatly tied and or stashed/hidden when not in use.

TBF dont worry about it too much as you will be limited by your case and i am assuming that at £18 for the case and matx mobo that you will have a matx case. the corsair cx400 has pretty long cables so might be difficult to keep tidy.

forget about other peopels standards though and just takes your time and do your best :thumb:

[marsey99]

Cuda has no effect on a 9800GT with the Adobe Software. A Quadro is most suited but Aria dont sell them :D

i dont know where you have read that but i have had it working on my 8800gts and i have seen it working on a 8600gt so...erm...yea.

[akbarirfan]

When confirming the gfx I read this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/builtforadobepros.html

Cuda is supported by Adobe.

Ordering at 1pm based on confirmation of bank transfer :)

[michaelkenward]

Ordering at 1pm based on confirmation of bank transfer :)
Hope it does not get stuck in security checking. (See other messages around this place.)

This seems to happen for some new buyers and certain payment routes. It is there to protect customers as well as Aria

Not trying to scare you, or put you off.

Just keep an eye on progress to avoid disappointments.

[akbarirfan]

Ok Neil Barwick is my account manager, I will ask him about this stuff.

Thanks

[Ninjacat]

You should be proud of your build messey and all, no offence guys but who cares it its a mess cable wise if its your first build then that should be allowed as well you'll be more over joyed with your working pc than bothered about cabling and making sure its tidy lol

but definatly ensure theres no cabled running through fans lol or that will electrify ur case lol

[akbarirfan]

haha!
this is my third build but most complex so far and it has been a long time too!
neat cables could help with airflow within the case i think.

[Ninjacat]

well i did buy these https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Cables/Other+Cables/AKASA+Cable+Tidy+Kit+%28Velcro+Ties%29+?productId= 26033

and used one so far as my PSU had a Rather large one lol. still my build was my first some say it was a little over kill but what the heck ive had a Pentium 4 for the last 10 years lol

and now that i can build one i can easily upgrade or build a HTPC :) (Home Theatre PC)

[akbarirfan]

Hmm I will see what I can dig out of the shed, I am sure we have some cable ties in there.

[Smifis]

i dont know where you have read that but i have had it working on my 8800gts and i have seen it working on a 8600gt so...erm...yea.
It'll work but you'll see no acceleration.


When confirming the gfx I read this: http://www.nvidia.com/object/builtforadobepros.html

Cuda is supported by Adobe.

Ordering at 1pm based on confirmation of bank transfer :)
Yes, Cuda is supported, but you need a supported card.

> Quadro 5000 (http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-5000-us.html)*
> Quadro 4000 (http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-4000-us.html)*
> Quadro 5000M (http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-5000m-us.html)*
> Quadro FX 5800 (http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_fx_5800_us.html)

> Quadro FX 4800 (http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_fx_4800_us.html)
> Quadro FX 4800 Mac (http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_fx_4800_for_mac_us.html)
> Quadro FX 3800 (http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_quadro_fx_3800_us.html)
> GeForce GTX 285 (http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gtx_285_us.html)

[akbarirfan]

This is the information I based the card on:
http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/XFX+GeForce+9800+GT+512MB+GDDR3+PCI-Express+Graphics+Card+?productId=39583

and

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_9800gt_us.html

There are 112 Cuda cores

[akbarirfan]

How could I tell if my mobo is rev 1.0 or 1.3?

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3415#ov

or

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3475#ov

Thanks

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

it should say on the motherboard though usually the latest are shipped..

[michaelkenward]

How could I tell if my mobo is rev 1.0 or 1.3?

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3415#ov

or

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3475#ov

Thanks

Look at the manual. The link is on the page you listed:

http://download.gigabyte.eu/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_ga-880gm-ud2h_e.pdf

Page 3:

"Identifying Your Motherboard Revision"

[akbarirfan]

Thanks..the picture on the site where I bought it from says Rev 1.0, but then it could be an old picture..as long as the BIOS are the same then it should be cool!

[akbarirfan]

Just picked these up:
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg91/akbarirfan/SDC10237.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg91/akbarirfan/SDC10235.jpg

Just waiting till Wednesday for the Mobo, Case and keyboard :)

[akbarirfan]

Also just wanted to ask, is there a program or programs that I can use to test out all the parts of the build to ensure that everything is working and stable? (no overclocking)

The build is for my cousin who will be moving more than 3 hours away so I need to make sure all is well.

Thanks.

[Smifis]

Dont be sily! Ofcourse there are programs out there.

Prime95 for CPU stability
Memtest for checking the memory
HD tune to check teh hard drive
etc

[akbarirfan]

Thanks..what about the gpu?

Does anything else need to be tested?

So we have covered:
CPU
RAM
HDD

This looks like it does the lot:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download215.html

Thanks!

[theelusiveyoda]

futuremark 3d mark 06 and vantage tests the cpu,gpu and ram and can be downloaded for free.

[akbarirfan]

Ok thanks that's great guys.

[wonderlust]

for the GPU furmark is good tool too

[akbarirfan]

All is up and running..the HSF is soo loud! Cool and Quiet is enabled in the BIOS, but this is ridiculous!

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

hi what speed is the HSF at ? and what temps are you at?

for some reason your bios might have set the fan to full 12v there should be an option for it to be managed!

[akbarirfan]

I am at 5578 rpm @ 50 degrees..

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

it is noisy because you are overheating, you are pretty hot for some reason.

what is the inside of your case like? enough ventilation?

did you seat the heatsink correctly? try removing it and reseating with some fresh thermal paste.

[Zaim]

I am at 5578 rpm @ 50 degrees..

Wow that would be very loud, i think it would be best to get a better hsf

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans,+Heatsinks,+Coolers/CPU+Coolers/Titan+Fenrir+Special+Edition+CPU+Cooler+(AM2/LGA775/LGA1156/LGA1366)+?productId=40704

it is a big cooler so you would need to make sure it'll fit

first try what I3r0k3N7FEET said

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

@ zaim, the thuban chips are cooler than the deneb cores + he says he has cooll and quiet on.. there is definately something not right going on. the stock cooler shouldnt be revving like that and he should not be a 50 degrees he should be iding mid twenties to mid thirties.

i think its a case of heatsink not installed properly OR lack of case ventialtion.

[akbarirfan]

How else can a heatsink be installed though?

This is another thread which is now sorted.

http://forums.aria.co.uk/showthread.php?t=28649

Used a TIM kit

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

hmm maybe you should have taken a little more time while you were putting it together...

what you did could have caused an expensive chuff up...

if you are running that hot still then the only thing i can think of is.. you have infact caused unseen damage to one of the pins...

either that or you never reapplied the paste correctly?

when you installed the heatsink.. i am assuming

you cleaned the paste off?

installed the cpu? CORRECTLY!

reapplied some paste?

reinstalled the heatsink?

[akbarirfan]

I put a thin layer of paste on..it was running at 33 degrees with the side panel off from what I remember.. hmm hmm I will check the temps in the BIOS and not in Windows.

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

what case do you have?

it could possible be to do with what else i suggested.

not enough case ventilation.

photos? inside and outside of the case

a picture can say a thousand words

[akbarirfan]

System temp is 34 degrees
CPU Temp 47 degrees
CPU Fan Speed 5720 RPM

I don't get what's wrong...there is also a 12cm fan at the front.

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

do you have an exhaust fan?

if not the air will stagnate and not go anywhere...

ehaust is more important than intake as a fan that is blowing air out will naturally cause cool air to be sucked in.

also go into bios, and look for HWmonitor and see what the fans are doing...

that is full speed ie full 12v of the stock fan. that should only be happening if you are over 55degrees.

[akbarirfan]

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg91/akbarirfan/SDC10275.jpg

[theelusiveyoda]

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg91/akbarirfan/SDC10275.jpg

that hsf doesnt look like its up to the job, i would suggest replacing it also try adding a fan to the rear.

[akbarirfan]

Ok I will take the 12 cm fan from the front and use it as an exhaust fan

[akbarirfan]

But that is the stock HSF..

[akbarirfan]

This how I put the Akasa paste on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7rPqCvCt0g

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

that hsf doesnt look like its up to the job, i would suggest replacing it also try adding a fan to the rear.


the stock HSF is more than up to the task of cooling it.

http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv318/I3R0K3N7FEET/DSC02275.jpg


http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv318/I3R0K3N7FEET/DSC02329.jpg

http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv318/I3R0K3N7FEET/DSC02331.jpg

http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv318/I3R0K3N7FEET/DSC02327.jpg


this is a modded version i did to run cooler and quieter by adding an 80mm fan, but it turns out the stock 70mm fan is better.
http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv318/I3R0K3N7FEET/DSC02332.jpg
this heatsink is much better than the intel i7 stock cooler and amd chips are much cooler.

[Terbinator]

Is his fan upside down ?

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

lol @ terbinator.. he prolly took the amd sticker off because it wasnt in the middle ;D, maybe someone forgot to tell him that the AMD stickers are carefully placed to balance out the rotation of the fan.

ive discovered the problem i think
have you plugged the fan into a 3 pin header!!! ?? not the cpu 4pin header?
try unplugging and replacing it.


edit... nope im wrong.. this board only has 2x 4pin 1x3pin fan headers? then its definately a problem with the bios OR temps :/

http://www.cfd.co.jp/gigabyte/motherboard/ga-880gm-ud2h/dl_880gm-ud2h.jpg


the last thing i can suggest you trying before looking at other options if you are unsure is to take the mobo battery out for a minute then replace it then try starting up.


again none of this solves your high temps.

[akbarirfan]

Ok I have added an exhaust fan, 8cm Cool Master.

I have also tried resetting the BIOS by taking the battery out.

I am not sitting in the BIOS watching the CPU temp rising as well as the CPU Fan speed.

I have set the System fan to max speed all the time, so 2884 RPM, it is pushing quite a bit of air.

The CPU Fan speed continues to rise, now approaching 4000 RPM.. at 44 degrees

[akbarirfan]

Latest readings, with CnQ disabled, and both fans set to run at max speed, so approx 5000 and 2600 RPM.

Sys temp: 36 degrees
CPU Temp: 42 degrees

These readings are from the BIOS, HWmonitor said the CPU was about 38 degrees.

This still does not seem correct to me however..

I think I will remove the HSF and clean the paste off and try again.

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

cool and quiet has NO direct effect on fan speed it is called cool and quiet because it under clocks and undervolts the cpu resulting in cooler temps less power used and lower fan speed needed to keep it cool.

somewhere in your bios there should be an option that controls the cpu/pwm fan via volts -temps. on asus boards it is called Q fan, i dont have a clue on gigabyte boards...

this is what you want to find. beyond that i cant help as i dont know your bios.

[wonderlust]

Does CnQ work in the bios?

[akbarirfan]

CnQ is in the Bios, I will enable it again.

I think this is what you are referring to:
CPU Smart FAN Control
Enables or disables the CPU fan speed control function. Enabled allows the CPU fan to run at different speed according to the CPU temperature. You can adjust the fan speed with EasyTune based on system requirements. If disabled, the CPU fan runs at full speed. (Default: Enabled) CPU Smart FAN Mode
Specifies how to control CPU fan speed. This item is configurable only if CPU Smart FAN Control is set to Enabled.
Auto Lets the BIOS automatically detect the type of CPU fan installed and sets the optimal CPU fan control mode. (Default)
Voltage Sets Voltage mode for a 3-pin CPU fan.
PWM Sets PWM mode for a 4-pin CPU fan. System Smart FAN Control
Enables or disables the system fan speed control function. Enabled allows the system fan to run at different speed according to the system temperature. You can adjust the fan speed with EasyTune based on system requirements. If disabled, system fan runs at full speed. (Default: Enabled)

Taken from the online MOBO manual.

Thanks

[akbarirfan]

Here is a screen shot of the PC Health Status after the PC has been running for just over a minute or two..
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg91/akbarirfan/SDC10278.jpg

[akbarirfan]

Since taking that picture the fan speed has increased to 3600 rpm and rising..

[akbarirfan]

After doing a bit more googling I have found that the figures I am getting are quite common with the stock HSF..

I am looking to buy the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro rev 2 Socket 775, 1156, 1366, AM2, AM3 Heatpipe CPU Cooler providing it fits that is!

[akbarirfan]

I have been running Prime95 for about 10 minutes the max temp i have got is 57 degrees. This is at both fans at max speed!! The temperature seems fine, but the fan should not need to spin so fast by the looks of it...what do you guys think?

Thanks

[akbarirfan]

Immediately after exiting Prime95, the temperature droped to 39 degrees, with the fan speed slowly declining to 3770 rpm

[akbarirfan]

Hi All,

I have removed the HSF, here are pictures of how I applied the thermal paste:
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg91/akbarirfan/SDC10285.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg91/akbarirfan/SDC10284.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg91/akbarirfan/SDC10283.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg91/akbarirfan/SDC10282.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg91/akbarirfan/SDC10280.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg91/akbarirfan/SDC10279.jpg

I will clean the paste off with the Akasa Citrus cleaner (smells really nice)

Did I make a mistake here guys? Is there too much or too little?

Thanks

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

looks like a little too much, it is possible that your cpu is giving out the wrong readings and the HSF is going by this. 39-57degrees sounds closer to what i would call normal.

worryingly though.. what is the grey blob in the middle of the cpu and heatsink? and what paste are you using? it might need a cure timeas it looks like the middle has started to cure but the rest is still 'wet'

[akbarirfan]

Just letting the TIM do its work..have cleaned both fully, look nice and clean. Will wait till tonight when there are more active members to point me in the right direction.

Upon removing the paste, it seemed to me that there was too much..does anybody else agree from looking at the pictures?

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg91/akbarirfan/SDC10288.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg91/akbarirfan/SDC10287.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg91/akbarirfan/SDC10286.jpg

Thanks

[akbarirfan]

looks like a little too much, it is possible that your cpu is giving out the wrong readings and the HSF is going by this. 39-57degrees sounds closer to what i would call normal.

worryingly though.. what is the grey blob in the middle of the cpu and heatsink? and what paste are you using? it might need a cure timeas it looks like the middle has started to cure but the rest is still 'wet'

Akasa AK-455..that blob in the middle is rather tough to get rid of, it is still there even after cleaning it!

Curing? The rest was very easy to wipe off...do you think I should apply less (on a video it said that is should be almost see through) and then put it together? Or how do I 'cure' it?

Thanks

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

hi what has happened, by the looks of it you are not getting good contact between heatsink and cpu this is why that mark has been left as it has cured faster than the rest of the paste.

when applying paste you want to use as little as possible to cover the whole surface of the IHS on the cpu.

curing is when the paste is 'set' this can take from a few hours to several days depending on the paste.

regardless it seems your high temps are caused by poor contact to the heatsink. reapplying the paste may solve this but it might be something to do with the cpu itself. if your temps arent knocked down after reapplying your paste it might be worth getting into contact with aria and getting a replacement.

[akbarirfan]

Yeh that makes sense about the bad contact..but I don't get how it can be bad because they are both flat surfaces and all I did was pull the black locking lever and assumed that was it!!

Is there more to it than that?

Thanks

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

it is because of the shape of the integrated heatspreader on the cpu. it may appear flat, get a razor blade or a craft knife, with a straight edge and place it on the ihs, you will see it is not perfectly flat.

like this but on the cpu

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Origen_ae/C10/images/origenaec10-13.jpg

[akbarirfan]

Ah ok..so how can we over come this and get even contact?

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

haha thicker thermal paste?

the stuff you are using looks a little runny?

otherwise lapping?

personally i think your best bet is to return it for a replacement?

firstly try again with a smaller amount of paste just to see if you get it right!

[akbarirfan]

You're right, I think the initial paste was runny, and then it got thicker.

Hmm can you return things based on this?

[akbarirfan]

Sending it back tomorrow, all packed and ready to go..

Do you know the estimated turn around times?

They say they have to check that it works, then test it. I told the customer service guy what the problem is, I hope they get what I am saying!

[akbarirfan]

So Aria have found no fault, I will get them to send the CPU back, I hope they do not charge a bombshell.

[marsey99]

looking at your pictures im not shocked with your temps, from what i can see you will have quiet poor airflow thru your case which just mean the inside will get hotter and hotter the longer the system is on.

tidying cables so they are out the way helps, as does getting the air in/out set right as if you only have fans sucking air out you have no control over where the air comes in and as such it might not be going where you need to cool. as a rule of thumb you should have air in the front, bottom and side with it being pulled out the top and rear. if you can with more pushed in than out so any gaps in the case dont let dust and fluff into the case.

asking people on here about their temps can be misleading as most people have a case which is just a box full of holes to mount their fans to, mine for eg has 7 fans 4 of which are in and 3 outs (throw the psu and gpu in too as outs) but unless i have the ins faster than the outs i have less air in than out and get dust sticking to drive bays and that.

my 1st thought was a bad contact but that seems fine although it does look like you used too much tim, but if it was thin that shouldnt be an issue as the extra just gets squeezed out the side and doesnt block the heat in so to speak.

[akbarirfan]

Yeah I understand about comparing to others..I called up Aria and asked them to test it for a few hours, they just popped in on the MOBO for 10 minutes!

I have a 12 cm fan at the front which gets air in, but is blocked by empty bays!

[I3R0K3N7FEET]

as said before, its about exhaust. you need to get rid of hot air, not pump more air in.

[akbarirfan]

I also have a cool master 80mm fan at the rear blowing air out.

I think the circulation is fine, the case temp was 33 degrees from what I remember

[akbarirfan]

Replacement CPU should arrive today!

Also just thought I would let you in on a bit of information..Aria tested the processor for 10 minutes and said that no fault was found. I then called them up and said that after it had been idling for an hour the temperature rocketed to the high 50s, so then they retested it for a few hours and agreed that it was indeed faulty.

It's worth fighting your case if you genuinely believe that it is faulty, I am glad I stuck to my guns. Just hope the replacement processor is all good!

[akbarirfan]

All seems well with this new one :)

Btw what kinda temps do you think the xfx 9800GT can take?

Gotta get the pics up at some point!

Thanks

[NickCPC]

Excellent, glad to hear. Put them up in the "Show us yours" forum :thumb:

The 9800s do get very, very hot. I wouldn't run any component above 80 if I could help it, and when I briefly ran a 9800 I had a 120mm fan directly underneath it as it only had a single slot cooler. Putting one of these on (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans,+Heatsinks,+Coolers/Graphics+Card+Coolers/AKASA+Vortexx+NEO+VGA+cooler+with+two+HeatPipe+%26 +UV+reactive+BLUE+LED+fan+?productId=41276) dropped temps significantly. (Please don't buy that last one though, I need it for my 4870 which currently has no heatsink! :p)