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http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/08/android-beats-iphone-in-smartphone-sales/
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I can't actually see anything wrong with this this time, it seems as though Android phones finally have outsold the iPhone. So what does this mean? Well a lot of budget Android phones have been released recently, and the previous top end models have dropped in price considerably making the smartphone market available to a much larger audience, while Apple still target the die hard fanatics with lots of money. Either Apple step up their game now or this continues and Android takes it's place at the top, soon outselling Blackberry's i imagine.
What do you think?
KarlHungus
02-08-10, 23:20
As popular as android is i think sales for apple iphones will still be at a high point. Everyone i know either has or wants an iphone.
There's no denying though that Android is the superior platform. The only reason for the iPhone's popularity is the same reason that Apple is still in business - Marketing.
mobile markets are an interest of mine :D
So many people with iphones have troubles, dropped calls lockups reboots when anyone mentions this to apple they lie and deny the problem. still to this day they deny that the iphone has an antenna problem they say all phones have this problem. they try fix it in the sly with ios updates and that breaks the 3gs and doesnt mend the iphone4. The styling of an iphone is the best. but they dont work they cant be relied upon and android phones beat them easy in most fields now.
this article says http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10839034 android has risen 880% this year. and blackberry are screwed as 50% of blackberry users say they are getting android or iphone next
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/02/blackberry-users-running-out-of-loyalty-50-percent-plan-to-defe/
android cannot suffer the same fate as the rest as there is no one manufacturer or version couple that with the fact it is brilliant and thats why in 3 years time android will be the top and who knows about the rest. iphone and blackberry with have die hard fans because the apple is stylish and the blackberry is very secure being totally encrypted in all communications. so secure a few countries are banning it as the state cannot snoop on a blackberry phone call.
Windows phone 7 is out in 2 months and i expect that will get a small share as will HP/palm webos phones but nokia and android will have massive shares and the rest are screwed, all this is because of apples bad attitude towards problems patches and control.
AaronWHUFC
02-08-10, 23:34
There's no denying though that Android is the superior platform. The only reason for the iPhone's popularity is the same reason that Apple is still in business - Marketing.
Lol :rolleyes:
So many people with iphones have troubles, dropped calls lockups reboots when anyone mentions this to apple they lie and deny the problem.
Most of my friends are such apple die hards, that even if there is a blatant issue with the the handset, such as dropped calls/lockups etc, even them as users will deny it happens! I had a friend of mine who had a 3GS which was constanty locking up - when I asked him about it, he told me that it wasnt the phone's fault, but the network who were providing the wrong type of mobile signal for the iPhone to work properly.. :rolleyes:
Kudos for whoever was the salesperson to him though!
NSFW (bit of swearing)
FL7yD-0pqZg
Made me lol.
Most of my friends are such apple die hards, that even if there is a blatant issue with the the handset, such as dropped calls/lockups etc, even them as users will deny it happens! I had a friend of mine who had a 3GS which was constanty locking up - when I asked him about it, he told me that it wasnt the phone's fault, but the network who were providing the wrong type of mobile signal for the iPhone to work properly.. :rolleyes:
Kudos for whoever was the salesperson to him though!
in the uk they are on 4 different networks and all of them have the problems, and every other network in the world so its not the network its a software fault. ALL apple devices have had or do still have networking problems.
Ive already watched the i want iphone movie loads of times its very funny and very true!
Everything the guy says about the EVO android phone before the printing money thing is true and the Evo is not the best android phone
in the uk they are on 4 different networks and all of them have the problems, and every other network in the world so its not the network its a software fault. ALL apple devices have had or do still have networking problems.
Ive already watched the i want iphone movie loads of times its very funny and very true!
Yeah thats exactly my point.. They are clearly faults with the phone, but due to the die hard appleness of these people, they believe that its an issue with the actual type of signal being provided - almost as if they expect the entire mobile network to switch frequencies or something to suit the iPhone..
Or tonnes of Iphone users are using a cracked operating system :L
Sniperdude
03-08-10, 01:24
NSFW (bit of swearing)
FL7yD-0pqZg
Made me lol.
I lol'd hard
Terbinator
03-08-10, 01:30
I need to chop off my diddly now - LOOOOOOOOOOL
...such as dropped calls/lockups etc, even them as users will deny it happens! I had a friend of mine who had a 3GS which was constanty locking up - when I asked him about it, he told me that it wasnt the phone's fault, but the network who were providing the wrong type of mobile signal for the iPhone to work properly.. :rolleyes:!
That seems par for the course, with Apple users. It's like they're brainwashed or something, they have a very blinkered view.
Mr. Grapes
03-08-10, 11:34
Most of my friends are such apple die hards, that even if there is a blatant issue with the the handset, such as dropped calls/lockups etc, even them as users will deny it happens! I had a friend of mine who had a 3GS which was constanty locking up - when I asked him about it, he told me that it wasnt the phone's fault, but the network who were providing the wrong type of mobile signal for the iPhone to work properly.. :rolleyes:
Kudos for whoever was the salesperson to him though!
I call them holocaust deniers. same affliction happens to high end German car owners (a few years ago when Merc had serious build quality issues, both the owners and merc were denying anything was wrong. the owners were in a denial loop where they had bought into the German reliability mantra, they just couldn't accept anything could ever go wrong with their 'investment')
That seems par for the course, with Apple users. It's like they're brainwashed or something, they have a very blinkered view.
Not all Apple users are the same. I only recently got rid of my iPhone and that was only coz i was bored and the Galaxy S was as good as if not better in most aspects. I would certainly have another iPhone if one came out that was better than my Galaxy S.
Most people who do slate the iPhone though have never used one or used one for a substantial period of time.
I choose to have a Android phone because I currently prefer it over the iPhone 4 as a phone.
The same can be said for all fanbois of different manufacturers though ie. Intel/AMD, ATI/Nvidia, Sony etc etc
These stats are for the US..I imagine probably not an indication for the rest of the world?
I have an Symbian N95 (long due for upgrade!) and have never been interested in the Iphone simply because when I used the 1st Gen iPhone I found it too simplistic, like OSX..I like to have the opportunity to configure and personalise things to the max and in my experience Apple products don't seem to offer this, maybe it's changed with 3GS/4? The same reason I prefer PCs to Macs.
My next phone will be Android, simply because Symbian seems to be dying (Nokia switching to Maemo) and Android seems more supported..if I could get the same power and functionality, I would get a non touchscreen phone (and not an ugly blackberry either!) as I am still not totally hooked on touchscreen since experiencing the awful Sony Ericsson P800 all those years ago. Also am not a fanboi of any brand and look at whether the device can support my needs rather than just because everyone and their uncle has got one and they are telling me it's 'really good' lol
However, I have a problem with Android being a Google thing especially with their track record and questionable shameless actions with privacy, gathering data etc (i.e google maps wifi) and overall nefarious plans for world domination. On the plus side Android appears more flexible, is open source and offers lots of exciting phones and features to choose from whilst Apple has only 1 product, total control over the hardware and pricing and exerts itself in a dictator like way over the iPhone apps & app developers.
These stats are for the US..I imagine probably not an indication for the rest of the world?
I have an Symbian N95 (long due for upgrade!) and have never been interested in the Iphone simply because when I used the 1st Gen iPhone I found it too simplistic, like OSX..I like to have the opportunity to configure and personalise things to the max and in my experience Apple products don't seem to offer this, maybe it's changed with 3GS/4? The same reason I prefer PCs to Macs.
My next phone will be Android, simply because Symbian seems to be dying (Nokia switching to Maemo) and Android seems more supported..if I could get the same power and functionality, I would get a non touchscreen phone (and not an ugly blackberry either!) as I am still not totally hooked on touchscreen since experiencing the awful Sony Ericsson P800 all those years ago. Also am not a fanboi of any brand and look at whether the device can support my needs rather than just because everyone and their uncle has got one and they are telling me it's 'really good' lol
However, I have a problem with Android being a Google thing especially with their track record and questionable shameless actions with privacy, gathering data etc (i.e google maps wifi) and overall nefarious plans for world domination. On the plus side Android appears more flexible, is open source and offers lots of exciting phones and features to choose from whilst Apple has only 1 product, total control over the hardware and pricing and exerts itself in a dictator like way over the iPhone apps & app developers.
Well my dad went from an N95 to a HTC Desire and he couldn't be happier. Not going touchscreen is rather limiting your options, and trust me - the technology has moved on since then.
I guessed lol I just like something substantial I can press (buttons) as opposed to a film of plastic..Besides, I'm sure it's not good for ur fingers in the longterm..like using a lazer keyboard on a flat surface isn't.
I started early and was into Apps from P800-3650-6630-N95 but recently got bored and now primarily I just want to use a phone as phone!
*I'm sure I'm not the only one 2 notice these Apps for the masses have made people REALLY antisocial and verging on rude!
wonderlust
03-08-10, 13:44
Although the OS might not be very good, I like the proper keys and tocuh screen on my HTC Tytn
Off topic..
On the contrary, I hear the HTC Sense is the best user interface for Android and was planning to get the HTC Desire but then saw the Super AMOLED Galaxy S
..Then saw it had NO FLASH?! WTF?! For such a high spec phone that's an Apple feature pre-iPhone 4?! lol
Camera Flash or Java Flash :confused:
Camera Flash..forgot about the 'other' flash lol
Seems u only get 1 flash on the iphone :chuckle:
KarlHungus
03-08-10, 15:41
If i were into phone geekery also i'd probably go with the android over the apple variant, even the android/irobot pads look more appealing price wise than the apple ipad.
Off topic..
On the contrary, I hear the HTC Sense is the best user interface for Android and was planning to get the HTC Desire but then saw the Super AMOLED Galaxy S
..Then saw it had NO FLASH?! WTF?! For such a high spec phone that's an Apple feature pre-iPhone 4?! lol
Its awkward right now as technically i guess the galaxy S is the best phone right now but it is ugly compared to a Nexus a desire or the Iphone. The next gen of phones are out in the US but not here so if you could be an EVO a Droid-X or an incredible off ebay from america then that would be best but getting a phone on contract in the UK. you would have to get either the galaxy-s the nexus or the Sony Experia.
Personally I dont like it when companies bodge a few buttons on pure android like Sense and droid so i Got the google Nexus One from vodafone UK and i love it you can always change your OS on an android phone too though so you can always add or take away any features you dont like. 3 months on and ive just got mine how i like it. the ability of android to add and take away widgets and customise the Gui is what makes it the best mobile OS and TBH ive borrowed a desire and a droid for a few days (swapping with a m8) and whilst i prefered my nexus there was VERY little difference between all the android phones.
if its an android its good the rest suck IMO
I have a 3GS, but my next phone will probably be an android of some sort.
Current android phones seem slightly jerky scrolling as they apparently don't use the GPU for the GUI yet, but will with gingerbread? ( 3.0 ) ?
Its awkward right now as technically i guess the galaxy S is the best phone right now but it is ugly compared to a Nexus a desire or the Iphone.
:eek: Ugly :eek: It has a similar design to the iPhone 3GS which was part of my reason for going for the Galaxy.
If it had a camera flash then it would be the ultimate phone but it can't have everything :D Even the iPhone doesnt have everything ;)
I have a 3GS, but my next phone will probably be an android of some sort.
Current android phones seem slightly jerky scrolling as they apparently don't use the GPU for the GUI yet, but will with gingerbread? ( 3.0 ) ?
Anything but jerky on the galaxy :popcorn:
Oi! the Galaxy is beautiful! And superb in everyway! (Well apart from flash but meh, its something i can live without)
I have a 3GS, but my next phone will probably be an android of some sort.
Current android phones seem slightly jerky scrolling as they apparently don't use the GPU for the GUI yet, but will with gingerbread? ( 3.0 ) ? yeah trying to be objective thats where the apple is better the gpu part of the processor is better on the apple A4 processor not sure if gingerbread can accomodate that is ii think its a physical difference between the qualcom snapdragon CPU's in most android phones and the A4 in the apple, the snapdragon beats it hands down in cpu power which is probably tooo much. but 2.2 being 300% faster than 2.1 shows how much more optimising is available in these things..
:eek: Ugly :eek: It has a similar design to the iPhone 3GS which was part of my reason for going for the Galaxy.
If it had a camera flash then it would be the ultimate phone but it can't have everything :D Even the iPhone doesnt have everything ;)
i dont like the bottom of the phone it looks like a nokia N96 or something, buttons are "so last year" for me a phone should have no buttons on the front of it.
http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/samsung_galaxy_s_review_sg_34-540x450.jpg
I guess beauty is in the eye n all that but i think the nexus is much better styled. with its single piece bronzed aluminium chassis and a trackball that light up different colours depending on status it all good ( white for text blue for missed call etc..) the galax has copied the Iphone 3g styling when the Iphone 3g is 3 years out of date
yeah trying to be objective thats where the apple is better the gpu part of the processor is better on the apple A4 processor not sure if gingerbread can accomodate that is ii think its a physical difference between the qualcom snapdragon CPU's in most android phones and the A4 in the apple, the snapdragon beats it hands down in cpu power which is probably tooo much. but 2.2 being 300% faster than 2.1 shows how much more optimising is available in these things..
Are you aware the Apple cpu is the same as the Galaxy's but as the cpu is designed by Samsung the galaxy makes better use of it and the gpu part is more powerful on the galaxy
Making the galaxy actually the more powerful phone.
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i dont like the bottom of the phone it looks like a nokia N96 or something, buttons are "so last year" for me a phone should have no buttons on the front of it.
if u had it, you'd realise it's a gd place for the buttons, and you need them
back to the op, the gen pub have now started to notice they was sucked in by the apple hype machine and now their contracts are ending they are switching to the new droid phones.
meh your all wrong, desire RAWKS!!!!eleven!!1!
It was kind of inevitable that a closed and proprietary OS on a single phone type, would eventually lose to an open OS that can be used by any phone manufacturer.
It really does smack of Windows v's MacOS in the early days. i.e. Apple had the lead in the OS stakes and in the hardware stakes, but would licence to anyone else, so as more and more people brought windows PC's, from IBM, HP and Compaq, MS cashed in.
I guess Google will now do the same.
lets be totally honest whether you love or hate apple they have done loads for the mobile market without the iphone all phones would be much worse than they are, having said that apples abilty to stab itself in the foot and lose the a lead like the 3g had is a replica of what they did in PC's
apple does this by being control freaks
Imagine if Itunes sold all software like office GAMES and other windows programs and all media not only for macs and you could rent movies watch internet TV etc.. on it.
Imagine for there was Ios for android devices. Apple would be bigger than google its down to steve jobs control freakisness that they dont do these things and his mismanagement of apple that wil be its demise.
Grrr, they're doing it again, killing support of 3G and ipod touches in gamecenter:
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/game-center-for-ios-bombshell-shows-apple-still-doesn-t-get-gaming-707893
the 3g is 2 years old now seems fair to me
I'm pretty sure the people who bought it on a 24month contract about 18months ago aren't thinking that :lol:
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