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How do you think they will do this season with Roy Hodgson in charge ?
well, with Mascherano leaving I'm really not sure, but with Luke Young joining who knows.
The key - getting Torres to stay and finding a deputy for him when injured :_
DT.
callumburns
28-07-10, 18:32
dont know why the hell joe cole left chelsea to play with liverpool
Terbinator
28-07-10, 18:33
Well he *is* staying, but losing Masch would be a hefty blow as the best of my knowledge, Alonso hasn't been replaced yet either.
Joe Cole didn't leave, he was sort of left out.
chelsea seem to be cutting their squad size alot this summer, but when you look at who they have you can understand it. i mean there reserve side would finish in the top 6 of the prem and really which world class players are happy not playing in the 1st team?
mascha wanted out last year but they wouldnt sell him when they couldnt get barry but imo lucas will fill his spot with out any trouble, if anything lucas is better facing goal so im not too concerned by that.
babble is the one for me, i hope hodge can get the best out of him every week as he is a game winner when his head is right.
young is just a replacement for insua going to italy.
callumburns
28-07-10, 18:44
i suppose he was left out but he was injured near enough constantly :|
cant get any worse - Benitez ruined a good squad
hodgson will hopefully reunite them
couldn't disagree more about Benitez, it was higher up in the finance chain that forced the sales :(
The only reason they havent cashed in on Gerrard and Torres yet is they havent got anyone else to score the goals, shame realy as there is a good 60/70m sitting there that could be used to buy a couple of decent left sided players, a centre half and maybe another striker.
Gerrard only has 2/3 effective seasons left in him the way he plays, he will lose his pace and edge quickly now, time to get shot of him while they can.
I think Benitez was unlucky that the squad deteriorated over a few seasons and last year what he had just didn't perform.
Torres can't score if he has to get the ball form the midfield.
Gerrard can't score if he's stuck in midfield all the time, shoring it up.
Kuyt just has trouble scoring.
I think they'll be better this season. 5th.
was i the only one who saw team morale wasn't there last season- they were not cohesive- surely down to manager
As long as we beat you twice this season it dont really matter who you have .
Luke young he's not a liverpool player is he??
As long as we beat you twice this season it dont really matter who you have .
Luke young he's not a liverpool player is he??
not yet but its looking like he will be by this time next week.
rafa is one of the best thinkers in the game right now, he can see how the other team is going to play and puts out his team to stop them working and beat them that way, where he went wrong was some of his choices during the game. we all recall stevie gs face when he brought torres off in the prem to rest him for the champ league game. thats when he lost the team, stevie g is the beating heart of the squad and he drives the team on and off the pitch, once he started to question rafa there was only one out come.
now dont get me wrong, i have no doubt at all that if the board had given raffa the funds he wanted the last 2 years that the squad today would of been much stronger and then taking torres or anybody off wouldnt of been an issue.
i said this 5 or 6 years ago and i just hope im not saying it again that soon but we aint giving the manager enough time, how long did it take fergie to get it right with man u? where would they be now if they had sacked him after 5 or 6 years?
Well myself personally I'm looking forward to the season I think Hodgson will do a good job of getting the best out of the squad.
I think Liverpool will do better this season under Roy. Rafa seemed to transform into an utter clown since his rant at SAF. It was obvious there was a lack of morale under him.
Pushing for 4th place might be too much though, with Spurs grabbing it last year and Man City strengthening their sqaud it's gonna be tough. Keeping Torres and Gerrard fit (and away from Chelsea and Real) will probarly determine how well Liverpool do
have you all heard about the chinese billionaire buying liverpool this week >> kerching
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8876510.stm
the sooner the yanks go the better, they are the reason we are where we are not rafa imo.
well i dont think rafa has been the same since his heart attack but yeah getting the yanks out is the number one priority
well i dont think rafa has been the same since his heart attack but yeah getting the yanks out is the number one priority
Sounds like there on there way out hopefully sooner than later http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8876510.stm
yeah its gone from one bid to several..
I just hope this goes through and RBS are willing to accept it.
He seems to know his stuff as far as Sports Promotion is concerned and any money from investors is going to be welcome considering there's nothing in the Yankee pot.
the other teams he owns do great he owns one baseball and one basketball team
I agree with DoubleTop. As you can see from my u/n, I liked Benitez.
But lets give Roy a chance. The cloud seems to be lifting, and maybe new ownership soon, which should further improve the mood at the club.
Torres staying possible new owners things are really looking up :clap
Torres staying possible new owners things are really looking up :clap
Very much so :weeee
they have confirmed torres staying which i think tells us more than just that. torres said he only wanted to stay if they bought new players which is only possible if the rich chinese guy buys it, they have announced he is staying couldnt you extract from that that means the rich Chinese guy i definatly buying the club.
I hope so.
Apparently there's a Syrian Business man who is now the most likely buyer - according to Sky Sports News anyway.
I have to say I'm disappointed as the Chinese bid looked much more attractive and would have made Liverpool the richest club in world football. I think Liverpool's Board should lean towards the Chinese bid as Kenny Huang seems to have much more know-how in terms of Financial backing, Marketing in Far-East and contacts in the sporting world.
Chinese/Kenny Huang buying the club would be much more benefical than the Syrian bid.
it doesn't matter who it is or where they are from, we dont need more pr in the far east or middle east as football fans all over the world know who liverpool fc are and what that means. what we need is somebody who is willing to sink the best part of 1b pounds into paying of the yanks debt, building the new ground and adding to the squad.
the syrian guy is in canada apparently and its more of a consortium :/
Good win last night, played well too !
Happy Days :D
Looks like Huang may have pipped them at the post as he's been asked to declare his backers.
Let's see how this one pans out, hopefully sooner rather than later so we can see some money going towards transfers before the window closes - albeit very unlikely.
I agree with DoubleTop. As you can see from my u/n, I liked Benitez.
But lets give Roy a chance. The cloud seems to be lifting, and maybe new ownership soon, which should further improve the mood at the club.
Rafa was a class act, a master tactician and much more savvy in the transfer market than many believe. The progression in the team until the arrival of the Yanks is undeniable. When he was unsupported in transfers and regularly undermined he lost his cool and eventually the team lost it's moral. Combined with injuries that led to last seasons shambles.
Rafa's main issue for me though was the bi-polar nature of his man management skills. When he got top talent willing to work he regularly showed his ability to take them to the next level. Reina, Masch, Alonso, Agger and Torres all became amongst the best in their positions under his tutoring. Once you were on his bad side due to attitude, mentality or simply not being the player he fancied you got a pretty rough time. Although you can argue that it was sometimes deserved with the likes of Pennant, Bellamy and Riera it was still a waste of good players. Others such as Alonso, Babel, Yossi, Crouch and Cisse had regular periods of being given the cold shoulder despite a decent attitude and often on the back of good performances.
To me this is where Roy may well get some real benefit with little outlay. In Aqua and Babel we still have two real talents that a change of face may get results. The other change I am hoping carries through into the season is a bit more willingness to try bring youth through. No offence to Lucas or Dossena (well maybe a little to Dossena cos he was rubbish), but their transfer fees could have got us the back up striker we need if we had stuck with Guthrie and Warnock rather than selling them for buttons. Then the likes of Degen and Voronin have filled the wage book and limited chances for the likes of Kelly, Nemeth, Pacheco and Darby. I am not saying that these players will definitely be as good or better, but without oppourtunities we will never find out and they will go elsewere.
Anyway, enough rambling, looking forward to this season YNWA!
Rafa was a class act, a master tactician and much more savvy in the transfer market than many believe. The progression in the team until the arrival of the Yanks is undeniable. When he was unsupported in transfers and regularly undermined he lost his cool and eventually the team lost it's moral. Combined with injuries that led to last seasons shambles.
Rafa's main issue for me though was the bi-polar nature of his man management skills. When he got top talent willing to work he regularly showed his ability to take them to the next level. Reina, Masch, Alonso, Agger and Torres all became amongst the best in their positions under his tutoring. Once you were on his bad side due to attitude, mentality or simply not being the player he fancied you got a pretty rough time. Although you can argue that it was sometimes deserved with the likes of Pennant, Bellamy and Riera it was still a waste of good players. Others such as Alonso, Babel, Yossi, Crouch and Cisse had regular periods of being given the cold shoulder despite a decent attitude and often on the back of good performances.
To me this is where Roy may well get some real benefit with little outlay. In Aqua and Babel we still have two real talents that a change of face may get results. The other change I am hoping carries through into the season is a bit more willingness to try bring youth through. No offence to Lucas or Dossena (well maybe a little to Dossena cos he was rubbish), but their transfer fees could have got us the back up striker we need if we had stuck with Guthrie and Warnock rather than selling them for buttons. Then the likes of Degen and Voronin have filled the wage book and limited chances for the likes of Kelly, Nemeth, Pacheco and Darby. I am not saying that these players will definitely be as good or better, but without oppourtunities we will never find out and they will go elsewere.
Anyway, enough rambling, looking forward to this season YNWA!
Good post and wise words, Sibeer.
I think the Americans can be thanked for putting Liverpool in the limbo that they currently sit in, I just hope Roy has the ability to get the best out of whatever money he has available to him. I have to say I wouldn't mind having Bellamy or Crouch back either.
I'm just hoping for a quick, solid resolution to all this that sets Liverpool on good foundations for the future.
i heard a rumor last night that the canadian/syrian guy has said he doesnt want roy and is after oneil :\
not sure what i think of that tbh.
bellamy or crouch would both be good additions to the squad as would robbie keane, 3 players i still dont understand why we sold :confused:
Rafa was a class act, a master tactician and much more savvy in the transfer market than many believe. The progression in the team until the arrival of the Yanks is undeniable. When he was unsupported in transfers and regularly undermined he lost his cool and eventually the team lost it's moral. Combined with injuries that led to last seasons shambles.
Rafa's main issue for me though was the bi-polar nature of his man management skills. When he got top talent willing to work he regularly showed his ability to take them to the next level. Reina, Masch, Alonso, Agger and Torres all became amongst the best in their positions under his tutoring. Once you were on his bad side due to attitude, mentality or simply not being the player he fancied you got a pretty rough time. Although you can argue that it was sometimes deserved with the likes of Pennant, Bellamy and Riera it was still a waste of good players. Others such as Alonso, Babel, Yossi, Crouch and Cisse had regular periods of being given the cold shoulder despite a decent attitude and often on the back of good performances.
To me this is where Roy may well get some real benefit with little outlay. In Aqua and Babel we still have two real talents that a change of face may get results. The other change I am hoping carries through into the season is a bit more willingness to try bring youth through. No offence to Lucas or Dossena (well maybe a little to Dossena cos he was rubbish), but their transfer fees could have got us the back up striker we need if we had stuck with Guthrie and Warnock rather than selling them for buttons. Then the likes of Degen and Voronin have filled the wage book and limited chances for the likes of Kelly, Nemeth, Pacheco and Darby. I am not saying that these players will definitely be as good or better, but without oppourtunities we will never find out and they will go elsewere.
Anyway, enough rambling, looking forward to this season YNWA!
Avery good post I agree totally with you.
Let's get the party started :D
Andy
Robbie Keane hasn't been any good at football for a long time now, the premiership is too fast for him.
I would go for Bellamy as he has pace as well and is clearly unhappy at Man City.
Oh well it was nearly an excellent start, but I suppose a draw isn't the end of the world yet.........
Ye i guess i am, not really into football so, not really bothered :)
A Ginger Sheep
15-08-10, 22:56
I don't believe people still blame last season performance on the yanks only and declare Benitez a "class act". How can you be a world class manager if believe Gareth barry to be a better player than xabi alonso? Rafa was a good manager for us until last season when he lost the plot. The confidence the squad was playing with last season was there for all to see and when that happens the manager will take the fall. Anyway looking to the future I believe we have the right man in Roy who based on today's performance clearly has the players working for the team. Unfortunate result in the end up but the signs are ther that it'll be a better season.
bye bye zonal marking WOOP
DT.
Im pretty happy with liverpool so far this season , they could of won today easily despite the sending off. I though the ref was a gunners fan jees. Cole should of been on and others should of been off earlier. torres should of had a penalty. all the usual ref not on your side stuff. and despite all this we didnt lose, Ngog finally looks sharp the new manager seems to know his stuff all is good. all we need now is the chinese owners and 200m shopping spree on players.
Been a while since i was a happy liverpool fan..
Its not easy being a liverpool fan in blackpool right now.. everyone is on the blackpool bandwagon! how are rubbish team is top of the premiership is beyond me I might of been born in blackpool in a family full of season ticket holders but i really dont like them LOL
If they beat liverpool when they play i would just Die. Its weird that my little town is going to host Manu liverpool and chelsea etc.
have Man U fans even seen an 8000 seater stadium?
8000 seater? shouldnt be in the premier league if the ground holds less than 20,000!!
Yes some Man utd fans have seen small grounds :)
Liverpool priorty once they get new owners would have to be the new ground i would imagine the ground at the moment sells out and the extra revenue a 60,000+ ground would bring in would help pay the wages and allow them to buy more players. Watched the game yesterday and thought Liverpool would hang on and win same old Arsenal keeping the ball but no real attacking intent crossing into the box yet no one capable of winning it until the Sun lends a helping hand!
the blackpool ground is a joke and that 8000 is after they spent the last year building a new stand with the premiership money, blackpool tickets are impossible to get now even for a Blackpool resident who knows the owner 8000 tickets just doesnt cut it between 150k blackpool residents and 1 million liverpool fans.
On that score i agree ther eshould be a minimum requirement and 20k seems right..
anfield is only 42k again too small.
A Ginger Sheep
17-08-10, 13:20
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/8919457.stm
boro keeper signed for liverpool as he counts as another home grown player, wonder if this means cavalieri is on his way maybe? shame if so as i thought he was a pretty good keeper but he was wasting his time warming the subs bench as he was never going to be first choice.
Ive supported liverpool all my life but live near Middlesbrough so i get to watch a few of there games and believe me Brad Jones is only going to warm the bench or maybe get a run in the little cup games as he is totally garbage ! I cannot believe they went for him, the only reason must be the home grown player rule.
I would love to see Liverpool progress this season under Hodgson but i really dont think he has enough in the way of squad depth and money to replace some of the terrible buys that Benitez brought in.Watch insua quite a few times in reserve's and in proper matches and looked a decent prospect but they let him go and bring back fabio aurelio i just don't get that decision.
watercooled
20-08-10, 09:20
we need the new buyers quick, we need a few more players
Mr. Pineapple
21-08-10, 15:48
Im a part time supporter.
I support liverpool just hate watching football.
A Ginger Sheep
21-08-10, 19:05
Im a part time supporter.
I support liverpool just hate watching football.
You dont support liverpool fc then!
how can you be a supporter of a football club if you dont like football?
Mr. Pineapple
21-08-10, 21:07
You dont support liverpool fc then!
how can you be a supporter of a football club if you dont like football?
My mommy tells me that im special :p
I dunno I just don't like watching it as it bores me silly
some cheery news for Liverpool fans? new buyer, and potentially and end to the debts? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/9067977.stm
Used to be a fan, but got tired of watching half a league of millionaires chasing big contracts rather than learning to play decent football.
Grass roots, thats where the heart of the game lies, not these overpaid wannabes.
As for LFC, they lived too long in the past and should never have sold out to johnny foreigners who didnt have the clubs best interest at heart. Bootroom ethic is well n truly gone, despite having King Kenny still at the club. Crying shame, now they are just another club ruined by big money.
Or lack there off ;)
Anyway, hopefully things are now looking up, let's see what the future brings .
im a life long liverpool fan and its been hard recently even my home town team blackpool are beating us now..
after listening to the chairman of the board yesterday i have total confidence this guy and his RBS backers who effectively own the club now, can prise the hands of the two yanks off our club and let someone who actually
1 can afford it and
2 knows what they are doing, buy the club..
I cant help thinking though that this isnt as good as the saudi's offer the gillet guy managed to rebuff..
anyway there is only one way for liverpool from this and thats UP where we belong..
btw it would only take two seasons not winning for ManU to be in the exact same predicament .
you shouldnt be able to buy a football club on credit.. thats the heart of the problem someone who couldnt afford the club bought in with borrowed money he couldnt pay back..
I think its a bit late already for them to turn the season around.
Unfortunate as its never a good thing to see such an legend of football struggling, a few more losses though and i reckon Torres will walk.
A Ginger Sheep
07-10-10, 13:00
imo torres is already gone in the january window. think these new owners are the right ones this time, listening to the chairman's interview yesterday i know firmly believe in us going in the right direction. also i think his bid will long term be better for us than the saudi bid, maybe not in bringing instant success through having a blank cheque book, but at least they appear to be the kind of owners that can understand thier is more to a club than just winning, ie keeping the clubs ethics and not sacking roy after a month which is what i fear the dubai owners would have done instead of giving him a chance. if the arabs bid was successful then we would have been just another man city, ie losing their identity.
the way i read the situation is this,,
RBS when they extended the loan period effectively took control of the club by appointing Martin Broughton and made the owners sign forms that gave him control of the board members and gave him controlling authority in board votes. and gave him till the 15 october to come forward with a plan for selling the club all of which he has done. Gillete and hicks claim despite signing and agreeing at the time that the agreement with broughton and RBS is illegal and they still have the right to sack board members..
they are grasping at straws RBS owns the club now in all but name and from the 15th will own it lock stock..
i imagine the high court will throw out gillette and hicks's arguments and the sale will go through..
IS that how the rest of you see it?
EDIT: ginger i totally agree i think any manager needs 3 years to get things how he likes it and that should be a minimum length of contract for any new manager..
Thing is, the PR machine was making all the right noises when G&H turned up. We have no real way of knowing whether these are any better till minimum 12 months down the line. Lets see if we improve the team come January and whether the change in owners can result in a more positive attitude filtering down into the club.
Past couple of matches the atmosphere in the Kop has been tense to hostile. Seen loads of fights over the ownership issues and even about people being to harsh or too kind to the team or the situation. Hopefully Broughton has chosen the right crowd for the right reasons. For all we know he may have chosen a bad deal to make sure he got a bonus for finding a solution before the deadline date, or even because he is a Chealsea fan. Given the number of anti Broughton / Purslow chants I have heard there are some serious trust issues that may get in the way of supporting the new regime.
IS that how the rest of you see it?
Definitely, RBS threw G&H a lifeline last time and extended the loan rather than revoking it. Chances are that them doing this was as much to do with what the business was as whether they thought G&H were going to sort it. They used this as an opportunity to take control of the board by installing Broughton as part of the extension agreement. This gave them the ability to force through a sale if required before allowing the club to go bust. Clearly this is just protecting their investment as a company in administration is worth far less, particularly a football club as the point deduction and mess has been hand in hand with relegation previously.
Would be shocked if they hadn't tied this all up properly so fully expect the courts to see this as fair.
the one entity showing good leadership in all this is RBS! lets not sell the club keep the RBS boss and keep them as owners ill settle for that.. but id be happy with the NESV guys too at least they are buying it with real money.
I hope all this happens to utd too :)
G&H bought it with real money, then got a loan against the value of the club. Realistically it is common with homeowners and businesses. It is just sad to see when it is a public interest and the debt is crippling it.
It is a shame.
Need to sell Torres for £30 million in January and try and get something else, doesn't look like he's too bothered when he plays really.
new stadium is so desperately needed to keep the club afloat, more bums on seats = more cash - but the capital required is all gone, Torres will go, and possibly a few others as well to release the capital to build the business by getting a bigger stadium. Whether the players will stay and put the bums on seats is a tough balance, whoever is at the helm.
DT.
Could face a 9 point (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1318822/Liverpool-face-point-deduction-parent-company-goes-administration.html?ito=feeds-newsxml) deduction if parent company Kop Holdings goes into administration.
I don't think they would get a 9 point reduction even if they were to go into administration.
That would effectively relegate them as they only have 7 now.
even with a 9 point deduction, I doubt they'd drop. Unless the administrator of the parent company forced the sale of a large proportion of the assets of the FC, the players.
DT.
saw this coming all year since it didnt get sold in the summer.
on the up side look what happened to new castle , they came back up as a much better team :lol:
even better everton will be with us in the championship :rofl:
saw this coming all year since it didnt get sold in the summer.
on the up side look what happened to new castle , they came back up as a much better team :lol:
even better everton will be with us in the championship :rofl:
Newcastle went down with Middlesbrough so it would be a nice repetition of a massive football area fluffing it. So long as the small club stays down it might even be worth it :thumb:
so, Hicks and Gillet have lost in the High Court, cue appeals and dragging this out for a bit longer... What a total shambles
At least they lost. Would be nice if I had any confidence in the replacements but the fact they openly stated they would drop out if we got a 9 point deduction is a sign they are only about the money (again).
ThunderFlash
14-10-10, 13:40
I don't think they would get a 9 point reduction even if they were to go into administration.
That would effectively relegate them as they only have 7 now.
We can only dream :D
Seen the article at the daily mash:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3165&Itemid=26
:)
So have Gillette and Hicks now walked?
The last Iheard they had taken some injuction out in Dallas
They've accepted they can't block the sale, but they are still calling it a swindle and are pursuing $1.6BN in damages.
AaronWHUFC
15-10-10, 16:11
Deal has gone through according to SSN souces. Good news for you boys, not sure what's happening on the debt front.
ThunderFlash
15-10-10, 17:30
Shame.
I'm waiting for Hicks to try and buy back
Deal has gone through according to SSN souces. Good news for you boys, not sure what's happening on the debt front.
The debt is paid as part of the deal, that is where most of the fee is going :thumb:
Supposedly we will then be run on a debt free basis (other than Overdraft / Working Capital). This should free up about £30m / season to spend on improvements :thumb:
ThunderFlash
17-10-10, 13:10
Next season is their season tbf....
ThunderFlash
17-10-10, 14:22
:clapTim
Pretty poor perfomance against Everton today. Another game with zero points for them.
Pretty poor perfomance against Everton today. Another game with zero points for them.
More than pretty poor it was diabolical (again).
Growing up with the Liverpool of the 80s seeing how they are now is so sad :(
ThunderFlash
17-10-10, 15:52
Thing is, one win can catapult you up to mid table and it's not like you're miles off a Euro spot.
You've had a tricky start so far. City, United, Gunners and Everton aren't exactly easy games
But its the way we have played that has been the problem. Roy looks out of his depth and the whole team seem to have lost any belief in themselves.
ThunderFlash
17-10-10, 20:06
Plenty of time to turn it around, don't worry.
This year was always going to be dodgy for you.
On the plus side it will be easy to modify an old Champions League top into a Championship top :)
ThunderFlash
18-10-10, 10:47
Haha, you're getting me excited about these prospects!
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