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Ok in reference to this (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Network+Products/Wired/Power+Line+(HomePlug)+Equipment/Arianet+200Mbps+Home+plug+Ethernet+Adapter+Starter +Kit+?productId=39478) and this (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Network+Products/Wired/Power+Line+(HomePlug)+Equipment/200Mbps+Powerline+Ethernet+Adapter,+TP-Link+?productId=39112)
Questions
1. Am i right in thinking the power sockets must be on the same circuit to transmit to each other?
2. Is it possible to have 3 powerline adapters, 2 of them getting a connection from one connected to the router?
3. If not, how would one have 2 powerline adapters connected to two different computers, from one router.
InvaderGIR
13-06-10, 15:29
Questions & Answers
1. Am i right in thinking the power sockets must be on the same circuit to transmit to each other?
Shouldn't matter, I'm sure that I had mine on different rings, certainly on different trip switches (which would imply different rings, no?).
2. Is it possible to have 3 powerline adapters, 2 of them getting a connection from one connected to the router?
Yes, entirely possibly, although I'd have thought you'd get more packet loss/collisions than just using it to extend a network.
3. If not, how would one have 2 powerline adapters connected to two different computers, from one router.
If you wanted to only use the two, you'd have to have the second one plugged into a switch, and that supplying a cable to the other computers.
Personally I found them to be utter rubbish! I got massive packet loss on the connection. It may be ok if you're in a modern house with good wiring though. I think part of my issues were due to being in an older house (~50 years or so old) with extensions and rubbish wiring throughout.
Questions & Answers
1. Am i right in thinking the power sockets must be on the same circuit to transmit to each other?
Shouldn't matter, I'm sure that I had mine on different rings, certainly on different trip switches (which would imply different rings, no?).
2. Is it possible to have 3 powerline adapters, 2 of them getting a connection from one connected to the router?
Yes, entirely possibly, although I'd have thought you'd get more packet loss/collisions than just using it to extend a network.
3. If not, how would one have 2 powerline adapters connected to two different computers, from one router.
If you wanted to only use the two, you'd have to have the second one plugged into a switch, and that supplying a cable to the other computers.
Personally I found them to be utter rubbish! I got massive packet loss on the connection. It may be ok if you're in a modern house with good wiring though. I think part of my issues were due to being in an older house (~50 years or so old) with extensions and rubbish wiring throughout.
Im saying as in, the wires have to be connected, as in not on the same circuit,
So i could have one powerline transmitting, and two receiving?
What do you mean a second plugged into a switch?
So would it be better with more modern wiring.
InvaderGIR
13-06-10, 15:52
Im saying as in, the wires have to be connected, as in not on the same circuit, So long as it's in your house, should be fine. :)
So i could have one powerline transmitting, and two receiving? Should be able to yes, as all they are doing is basically making the power line in your home an ethernet switch. The more plugs you put on, the more 'ports' your 'switch' has.
What do you mean a second plugged into a switch? I mean if you buy a pair then one is in the router, the other on far side of the house with a cable coming out into a switch.
So would it be better with more modern wiring. As far as I'm aware yes. If you've got loads of old wiring, some house extensions with more modern wiring and stuff you may find you have issues.
As a way to browse the web etc. they were fine in my student place, but to download anything, stay connected to MSN etc. or play games, they were very poor.
As a way to browse the web etc. they were fine in my student place, but to download anything, stay connected to MSN etc. or play games, they were very poor.
Hmmmmm so it gets better with the quality of the wiring?
So long as it's in your house, should be fine.
Lovely
Should be able to yes, as all they are doing is basically making the power line in your home an ethernet switch. The more plugs you put on, the more 'ports' your 'switch' has.
Your saying one powerline adapter connected to a router, and one connected to a switch, with the switch running the two computers, i want one powerline connected to a router, then two others, one in one room one in another
InvaderGIR
13-06-10, 16:04
Hmmmmm so it gets better with the quality of the wiring?
Don't quote me on that...:p...as far as I can understand, yes. Rubbish wiring will leave you with rubbish signal. Same as if you have a rubbish ethernet cable, if it's a bit dodgy it will give you a dodgy signal. Distance is also likely to be a factor. If the rooms are massive lengths of cable apart then they could pick up interference from other electrical devices being plugged in and drawing power.
As for using a switch, that was more a case of if they PCs are in the same room and stuff. Separate rooms and the power line adapters should run how you want...effectively making your power lines a switch/network as I mentioned above with more adapters being added creating more 'ports' in the network.
Don't quote me on that...:p...as far as I can understand, yes. Rubbish wiring will leave you with rubbish signal. Same as if you have a rubbish ethernet cable, if it's a bit dodgy it will give you a dodgy signal. Distance is also likely to be a factor. If the rooms are massive lengths of cable apart then they could pick up interference from other electrical devices being plugged in and drawing power.
As for using a switch, that was more a case of if they PCs are in the same room and stuff. Separate rooms and the power line adapters should run how you want...effectively making your power lines a switch/network as I mentioned above with more adapters being added creating more 'ports' in the network.
Ok
so basically my quality of connection
will be based on
-quality of wiring,
-interference from other electrical equipment
but if it works even at a low quality then it will be better than the current situation
Lorem-Ipsum
13-06-10, 17:20
Ok, to put a few misconceptions away, I know they are called powerline adaptors but a lot of them are just wireless point to point transmitters. They don't show up on your wifi network as they are a t a different frequency. I use them In my house and they work very well for me.
You use a tool provided in windows to change the encryption they use. You can have say one adaptor transmitting from the router end and two others at different computers receiving from the same transmitter.
I have not had issues with packet loss and am very happy with them.
Ok, to put a few misconceptions away, I know they are called powerline adaptors but a lot of them are just wireless point to point transmitters. They don't show up on your wifi network as they are a t a different frequency. I use them In my house and they work very well for me.
You use a tool provided in windows to change the encryption they use. You can have say one adaptor transmitting from the router end and two others at different computers receiving from the same transmitter.
I have not had issues with packet loss and am very happy with them.
So they are just wireless transmitters?
then why does it say they use your houses wires to transmit it?
your confusing?
The device transforms your house's existing electrical wiring into a ubiquitous networking infrastructure;
transmission of broadband data service over power line and every power socket can become a networking connection,
InvaderGIR
13-06-10, 17:31
Ok, to put a few misconceptions away, I know they are called powerline adaptors but a lot of them are just wireless point to point transmitters. They don't show up on your wifi network as they are a t a different frequency. I use them In my house and they work very well for me.
You use a tool provided in windows to change the encryption they use. You can have say one adaptor transmitting from the router end and two others at different computers receiving from the same transmitter.
I have not had issues with packet loss and am very happy with them.
What? :confused:
That's not true, have a read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication#Home_networking_.28broadb and.29
What? :confused:
That's not true, have a read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication#Home_networking_.28broadb and.29
Thats what i thought
signals in electricity, not wireless transmission
Lorem-Ipsum
13-06-10, 17:44
I said most, not all. The more expensive ones do send data through our wired circuitry as the electricity in houses runs at 50Hz so a signal can be sent round with a different frequency and then picked up and distinguished by the other adaptor. You get "noise" or a bad signal with old wiring as the frequency can fluctuate.
However a lot of the ones on the market are called powerlines but are actually wireless transmitters.
Both kinds work just as well IMO. Other people say otherwise.
SAUCE:
Powerline adaptors (Homeplugs)
Q. What types of HomePlugs are available?
A. HomePlugs are available as Wired or Wireless devices. Generally speaking we recommend you only use a wired HomePlugs as the wireless standard will reduce data throughput. HomePlugs are available as 85Mbps devices.
http://www.im2web.co.uk/Homeplugs.htm
I said most, not all. The more expensive ones do send data through our wired circuitry as the electricity in houses runs at 50Hz so a signal can be sent round with a different frequency and then picked up and distinguished by the other adaptor. You get "noise" or a bad signal with old wiring as the frequency can fluctuate.
However a lot of the ones on the market are called powerlines but are actually wireless transmitters.
Both kinds work just as well.
The wireless signal in my house is the problem
so how to distinguish
if we are talking about powerline adapters, as in ones that do send through electric cables, as im assuming arias do because they say so in the description and if they didnt they could get sued for wrongful labeling
why bring up something completely different :)
Lorem-Ipsum
13-06-10, 17:54
Sorry about that. I just assumed you wanted to know about powerlines in general as you're getting them. Maybe my mind works differently lol. :rolleyes:
Anyway the ones sold by Aria are powerline ones yes. The problem is those can sometimes be picked up by your next door neighbor as you houses electricity is technically connected. This is why they are encrypted.
You can connect two powerlines to two different computers with only one transmitter connected to the router. BUT if you do this you should really make the adaptors all the same as they are not all inter-compatible.
Sorry about that. I just assumed you wanted to know about powerlines in general as you're getting them. Maybe my mind works differently lol. :rolleyes:
Anyway the ones sold by Aria are powerline ones yes. The problem is those can sometimes be picked up by your next door neighbor as you houses electricity is technically connected. This is why they are encrypted.
You can connect two powerlines to two different computers with only one transmitter connected to the router. BUT if you do this you should really make the adaptors all the same as they are not all inter-compatible.
was planning on it :)
To answer - yes, they should work on different power rings, and yes, more than two homeplugs should be able to work together, providing they are the same speed. 3x 85mb ones will talk to each other, but a 200mb one will not talk to an 85mb one. Also, the more you use, the slight hit in speed you may get, but I really doubt you would notice it with 3 or 4 :)
Ok, to put a few misconceptions away, I know they are called powerline adaptors but a lot of them are just wireless point to point transmitters. They don't show up on your wifi network as they are a t a different frequency. I use them In my house and they work very well for me.
I'm pretty sure thats not right. Taken from the same site you quoted from:
Q. What is HomePlug/Powerline technology?
A. HomePlugs are a simple but very effective way to transmit computer data around your home. In order to do this a minimum of two HomePlug adapters are required. HomePlugs work by converting the data signals from your computer into a carrier wave along your ring mains circuit. All you need to do is connect a HomePlug to your ring main and your broadband modem router, or if you have one - a network switch/hub. Then you plug another HomePlug into the ring main at the place where you want to use your computer
When they say homeplugs are available in wired or wireless flavours, they aren't talking about the medium they use to communicate with each other. They are talking about whether they act as a wireless access point, or whether you have to plug a cat5 cable from the computer to the homeplug to use it.
When it says they recommend using wired ones, that is because the wireless homeplugs will only generally work at Wireless G speed (54mb), whereas homeplugs are theoretically capable of reaching 200mb (or even 1Gb depending what marketing blurb you read ;))..
:)
To answer - yes, they should work on different power rings, and yes, more than two homeplugs should be able to work together, providing they are the same speed. 3x 85mb ones will talk to each other, but a 200mb one will not talk to an 85mb one. Also, the more you use, the slight hit in speed you may get, but I really doubt you would notice it with 3 or 4 :)
I'm pretty sure thats not right. Taken from the same site you quoted from:
Q. What is HomePlug/Powerline technology?
A. HomePlugs are a simple but very effective way to transmit computer data around your home. In order to do this a minimum of two HomePlug adapters are required. HomePlugs work by converting the data signals from your computer into a carrier wave along your ring mains circuit. All you need to do is connect a HomePlug to your ring main and your broadband modem router, or if you have one - a network switch/hub. Then you plug another HomePlug into the ring main at the place where you want to use your computer
When they say homeplugs are available in wired or wireless flavours, they aren't talking about the medium they use to communicate with each other. They are talking about whether they act as a wireless access point, or whether you have to plug a cat5 cable from the computer to the homeplug to use it.
When it says they recommend using wired ones, that is because the wireless homeplugs will only generally work at Wireless G speed (54mb), whereas homeplugs are theoretically capable of reaching 200mb (or even 1Gb depending what marketing blurb you read ;))..
:)
Thank you for the clarification :)
I use the bt-comtrend-powerline-hd-ethernet-female-kit. Got them when they were half price.
Bought them after getting fed up of wireless interference and they work just fine. I get a ping to router of between 2-5ms. One dodgy plug socket with a safety switch lowers the bandwidth if switched on but otherwise it's been pretty good. Absolutely no drop outs and the status page shows 134mbs although it uses 100mbs full duplex to connect from plug to pc.
Apologies if someone has already mentioned but when adding a second plug to the network you essentially share the bandwidth. The more plugs you add, the slower the speed.
If you can't install an ethernet cable then powerline plugs are a pretty good alternative but as mentioned the speed and reliability does depend on your house's wiring and ppl tend to have mixed results. I however installed mine with ease and have a pretty solid connection.
I use the bt-comtrend-powerline-hd-ethernet-female-kit. Got them when they were half price.
Bought them after getting fed up of wireless interference and they work just fine. I get a ping to router of between 2-5ms. One dodgy plug socket with a safety switch lowers the bandwidth if switched on but otherwise it's been pretty good. Absolutely no drop outs and the status page shows 134mbs although it uses 100mbs full duplex to connect from plug to pc.
Apologies if someone has already mentioned but when adding a second plug to the network you essentially share the bandwidth. The more plugs you add, the slower the speed.
If you can't install an ethernet cable then powerline plugs are a pretty good alternative but as mentioned the speed and reliability does depend on your house's wiring and ppl tend to have mixed results. I however installed mine with ease and have a pretty solid connection.
How old is your wiring?
Toonshorty
13-06-10, 21:10
My NETGEAR XE104 kit is great.
I maximise my possible download speed (5.5Mb) with them anyway.
Ping is poor, similar to Wireless though.
I think the house was built in the 1930's but the extension (in which the plugs are used) was built in the 1980's, so more recent.
Only way to for sure how'd they perform in your house is to take a little gamble I guess.
+1 on what Aaron is saying. The wireless one is just to add wireless to your network to communicate with a computer, not between the 2 homeplugs.
I've been looking at these lately as my linksys router is on it's way out.
I see d-link (or was it netgear?) have released some 500mbps ones!
The problem I see with them is, in my house 3 pc,s will be accessing at the same time.
So he homeplugs needs to be able to cope win possibly more connections and also all the data from the modem to the homeplug will be going through the same cable.
You should be ok with that.. Just go for the 200mb version, but I would imagine that even the 85mb version wouldnt really struggle. You should be good for around 90mb and 20mb transfer speed respectively on those :)
Sorry to bump an old thread.
I have BT Vision, which uses a homeplug set up to get from the router to the bedroom where the box is.
I then have 3 pcs around the house that all connect wirelessly, as I understand it, it is possible to buy 3 more homeplugs, and I would be able to go through the one that links to the router?
As long as they're the same speed as the one by the router they should all work together fine just using the existing one by the router.
However, the more you add, the speed will reduce, although you shouldnt notice it too much with another couple.. I currently use 4 in the house here, with one being by the router..
StuartyB33
14-01-11, 13:24
+1 to what andy said i have one for the ps3 in the living room. one with the computer in the study with a hub coming off it so i can add the printer in and another from the router which sends the signal out and the wiring is a issue if its not good you lose speed
We have wireless atm, and we seem to have periods where our wireless keeps dropping, I cant fathom a reason for it, so figured this could be the way to go.
Aaron, How do you find the TP link ones from Aira as i know you have tried them.
Need a couple for work
Whats the difference between:
https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Networking/Homeplug/TP-Link+200Mbps+Powerline+Adapter+Twin+Pack?productId =43449
https://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Networking/Homeplug/TP-Link+200Mbps+Powerline+Adapter+Twin+Pack?productId =41050
Looks like no difference apart from design. However, I have just done an order using item 41050 and they are great. They look smart and do the job well.
I've used other 200mb TP-Link ones in a number of situations, including providing a network link to a kitchen across a school when we weren't able to put any cabling in. They connected at full speed, even going through a fuse box and down wiring which is pushing 60-70 years old..
I'd happily use them again!
The only problem I had with a specific pair was with a much older design of homeplug.. They worked fine when it was just the 200mb ones being used on the network. But when we put a set of 85mb homeplugs on the network too, the 200mb ones slowed to a crawl (transfer rate of about 1-2k/s) and the 85mb ones got their full speed. As soon as the 85mb ones were removed, the 200mb ones went back to full speed.
As a result, I now just make sure I use the same speed Homeplugs in each building I use them in, and I've yet to have a problem. In my house, I currently have 2x Belkin Homeplugs and 2x Arianet Homeplugs, and they all communicate absolutely fine :)
Are they big? If i plugged them into a plug board would i still be able to get 2 plugs each side?
(I know your not meant to plug them in a plug board but needs must)
Yeah you should be able to.. The black ones you linked to are maybe 75mm wider than a standard plug on either side - thats a guess, but I reckon its about right.
The other thing is the older TP-Link ones and also the Belkin ones that I have, use a mechanism that means you can slide the fixed plug off, and connect a kind of fly lead instead..
And I don't have any problems using mine on a 4 gang extension. I even used it through a surge protector successfully before! :) But it did cause maybe a 15% speed drop..
I've ordered the Mini ones, Simply becuase the only difference looks like the size!
(It was my boss's choice:rolleyes:)
Fair enough. They should work fine :)
Your boss being your dad? :lol:
Yes:(
:lol:
Got a new office girl starting next week so ordering loads of stuff.
A nice reception desk next:surprised:
:lol:
Not the girl from the VW garage?! ;) :lol:
Themanhunt
19-01-11, 13:54
Some powerline adapters interfear with long range radios, and this has been proven. An example would be the older style white adapters supplied by BT.
Ive been using the 200mbps powerline adapters for a while they have been brilliant :)
:lol:
Not the girl from the VW garage?! ;) :lol:
OMG No! I want to get some work done!:chairfall:
:chairfall:
I was wondering when you'd notice that post.... :lol:
Polo is going in next week to have a bit of warranty work done (Interior light switch) and i nearly begged them for me to pick it up at the weekend:o
Alas they are collecting and delivering, Not bad i suppose!:lol:
Maybe you should request that she picks up and drops off? :D :lol:
Master3203
22-01-11, 20:47
I want to change my ps3 from accessing online content wireless and mae it into a wired connection. So I figured I would either need powerline or spend a couple hundred pounds to have a long ethernet wire installed from the downstairs to the upstairs.
So I'd like to what is the best powerline manufacturer that isn't wireless and uses 200mbps ethernet. Any ideas?
They're all pretty much the same thing. They all should be compatible with each other as long as they're the same speed, so basically, have a look and take your pick..
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Networking/Homeplug/
Maybe you should request that she picks up and drops off? :D :lol:
"Come into the house and i will get you the keys":idea:
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