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Hi All,
Kinda torn between the 5830 and the 5850...
The OC 5830 has a faster core but less processing cores, so is it worth the extra £65 to go for the 5850 ?...
Not sure !...
Any of you guys out there got any tips ?..
Cheers
Terbinator
01-06-10, 20:40
5850 - 5830 is a joke of a card, any good benchmark will show this in addition to the 5830 using more power than the 5850.
callumburns
01-06-10, 20:42
couldnt you just overclock the 5830 to 5850 specs somehow?
Terbinator
01-06-10, 20:45
couldnt you just overclock the 5830 to 5850 specs somehow?
Architecture differences are too great: 128bit vs 256bit(5850) , 1440 (5850) cores versus 1120. Not to mention, whats stopping you from overclocking the 5850.
callumburns
01-06-10, 20:52
Architecture differences are too great: 128bit vs 256bit(5850) , 1440 (5850) cores versus 1120. Not to mention, whats stopping you from overclocking the 5850.
me overclocking to 5850?
Terbinator
01-06-10, 20:55
You I.e. the user - Wasn't sure if it would be read correctly :P
Cheers for the responses guys, still not sure though !...will keep looking and see what I can come up with !...Got some time before I have the cash again after spending a huge amount on the other build stuff !...
Architecture differences are too great: 128bit vs 256bit(5850) , 1440 (5850) cores versus 1120. Not to mention, whats stopping you from overclocking the 5850.
Architecture differences are not so great, http://i.neoseeker.com/a/hd5830launch/hd56.png , the 128bit bus is on 57xx series, but I personally would go for 2x5770.
But then again, maybe that`s just me.
Having done quite a bit of digging, I am leaning toward the 5830 and then when they come down in price, putting another one in as well in crossfire...
callumburns
01-06-10, 21:50
yeah your better going with the cheaper option of the 5830 and maybe overclock it a tad, then later get a second one and crossfire it, and you will be looking at a set up thats probably a bit better than a single 5870
Terbinator
01-06-10, 21:51
My bad, its a 256 bus - but i still don't see why anyone would get the 5830 - It jsut doesn't make sense!? A 5850 can be had for circa £200, its definitely worth the £30 premium over the 5830.
Hi All,
Kinda torn between the 5830 and the 5850...
The OC 5830 has a faster core but less processing cores, so is it worth the extra £65 to go for the 5850 ?...
Not sure !...
Any of you guys out there got any tips ?..
Cheers
Hello marco, :)
what games do you want to use it for, and at what resolutions?
What is your max budget?
This info will be of much help.:D
5850, the factory overclocks can be done by hand, they are not worth paying for it.
Jedireaper
01-06-10, 22:46
yeah your better going with the cheaper option of the 5830 and maybe overclock it a tad, then later get a second one and crossfire it, and you will be looking at a set up thats probably a bit better than a single 5870
It's exactly what I am planning on doing (albeit with the XFX 5830, not the Powercolour, but who cares...) And Terbinator, mate... some of us don't have that extra thirty quid... me especially. However... that said; the first thing I am going to do is get a 5.1 speaker system for my PC; graphics card (s'long as it plays most games decently) will be tertiary. Secondary is probably getting my RAM upgraded. :P
Hello marco, :)
what games do you want to use it for, and at what resolutions?
What is your max budget?
This info will be of much help.:D
Hiya,
I play stuff like Saw, Bioshock, Mass Effect and have managed to play all those on a dual core e660 with 4 gigs of ram with a Sapphire Radeon x1950 Pro !...
Like to take a look at Crysis and Alien Vs Predator in DX 11...
I now have the following setup :
Asus P6x58d -e
Intel Core i7 920 DO ( OC @ 4.01 Ghz )
Corsair XMS 6GB DDR3 1600 Mhz ( OC @ 2000 Mhz )
Coolermaster V8
2 x 1.5 TB Samsung F2 ( Data & Storage )
2 x 500 Gig WD (Boot & Backup)
All in an Antec 1200 with Antec 850 W PSU
Monitor is a Hyundai 24' 1080p at 1920 * 1200
So looking to replace the Sapphire Radeon X1950 Pro with something a little better !.. ( I just moved it from my last build until I get the new card )
Budget is somewhere between £150 and £250 depending on if it's worth paying the extra for a few more fps..not a hardcore gamer but would like to do
better at video conversion / editing and photshop- stuff etc as well as some decent games too..
Not adverse to getting
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Graphics+Cards/ATI+5800+Series/PowerColor+ATI+Radeon+HD+5830+OC+1024MB+GDDR5+PCI-Express+Graphics+Card+?productId=40294
for £170 and then in a few months when they have gone down in price again, getting another and running in Crossfire mode...
I have managed for the last 3 years with the X1950 Pro !
What do you think ?...
I would like to say that I could get the very best card out, but funds won't allow that, need my car servicing for a start and just spent loads on the rest of the build !...
Cheers
All said, the 5830 is a nice little step up from the 5770... The 5830 is starting to go down to the 5770 price and will be the best price/performance card. But the 5850 is a steller card and for an extra 30 worth it.
Been doing faaaaaar too much research on this !...
Am now thinking about 2 x 5770 in CF or 1 x 5830 OR 1 x 5850, just can't make up my mind !...
A good thing about the 5770 is that it only requires 1 x 6 pin cable, so running 2 in CF only requires 2...
However, running 2 x 5830 or 5850 in CF requires a total of 4 x 6 pin cables...
The other thing that I am trying to assertain is whats the best setup for my case, which an Antec 1200 with the 850W PSU..as I have 4 HDDs installed and am concerned about the length of the cards...
Go on then guys....what do you think ??
I don't like the 5830. It's such a waste of a card!
It's as long as a 5870 and consumes more power than a 5850 :mad::mad::mad::mad:
Jedireaper
06-06-10, 19:31
The 5830 has a higher Overclock than a 5850 by the way, and is a great mid-to-high range card.
gotta be too 5770's they are awesome.
I think I'm right in saying a 5830 only has 16 ROPs? Less shaders...I'm sorry but I think the 5830 is actually the only graphics card I don't like :o
Jedireaper
06-06-10, 19:41
Ah but the 5830 is consistently better than the 5770, and is a great price right now.
Ah but the 5830 is consistently better than the 5770, and is a great price right now.
I should hope so....that's kinda self explanatory by the naming system. I was just having a go at the card, as it uses so much power and is so big.
Basically it's a defective 5870 and they couldn't be bothered to do anything with it except disable some of the ROPs, shaders and texture units.
A 5830 is only as good as a 4890 by the way :)
Jedireaper
06-06-10, 19:53
Its for people who are on a budget and want fully supported DirectX 11 cards. Also I can't see myself getting two 5770's I'd rather have two 5830's. Now that is win :) I'd love a 5870 but my budget doesn't allow for it I am afraid.
Thing is with the 5870, its so long !...I could fit it om Antec 1200 but would lose a drive bay in the process.
It's a similar thing with the 5850 I think, although thats apx 9.5 inches...and uses 2 x 6 pin connectors...
I am using the 2 bottom bays for my 4 drives, the middle for a fan and the top for my optical drive so I would lose some airflow around hdd's etc by using such a big card...
I am not what you call a hardcore gamer, and from the stats online about how 2 x 5770 in CF perform against a 5850 and a 5870, it's looking like an interesting propersition...
Marco
Its for people who are on a budget and want fully supported DirectX 11 cards. Also I can't see myself getting two 5770's I'd rather have two 5830's. Now that is win :) I'd love a 5870 but my budget doesn't allow for it I am afraid.
I see your point but the extra electricity (remember, it's not free) will cost you in the end more than the card is worth.
I see your point but the extra electricity (remember, it's not free) will cost you in the end more than the card is worth.
Are you talking about 2 x 5770's / 2 x 5830's in CF or 1 x 5870 ??
I am assuming you mean the 2 in CF
Cheers
5770's in crossfire will beat a 5850/5870 in tesselation.
The question is.....
Is it worth buying 2 x 5770's or 2 x 5830's as opposed to 1 x 5850 ?...
It is worth buying x2 5770s, but not x2 5830s :p
I can fit my 5870 in a tiny Coolermaster 335 case. Officially it won't fit, but it obviously does :rolleyes: I'm pretty sure a 5970 would fit in here tbh.
It is worth buying x2 5770s, but not x2 5830s :p
Whys that then ?...
If your in need for extreme performance on a budget you'd either buy x2 4890s or x2 5770s ;)
Really not keen on 5830s
If your in need for extreme performance on a budget you'd either buy x2 4890s or x2 5770s ;)
Really not keen on 5830s
So are your comments based on your preferance or based on fact / benchmarks ?..
the question is, does the 5830 perform better than a 5770 ?...given it's the next card up, I would have thought so....
And are the stats better for 2 x 5830 in CF than 2 x 5770 in CF ?
Cheers
Yes but you don't buy a card just on performance. There are other factors such as power consumption, price and size.
A 5830 consumes more power than a 5850 and is as big as a 5870 LOL! It performs the same as a 4890 and costs £50 more..
two 5830's are very good, especially overclocked, they'll destroy your 5870.
Your 5870 performs the same as a 4870x2 yet costs over 100 more
5770'S In eyefinity aren't very good, I know this as I tried it.
A 5870's good, but it's too expensive for what it is, I was a launch owner.
The 5850 is one of the better cards out this generation, but ONLY when it's 200 pound.
Considering you can get a 5830 Xfire at like 320 pound, it'd destroy the 5870, and even more so in tesselation, I'd get the 5830 crossfire and overclock.
Enjoy your leccy bill is all I can say :p and an expencive bill for your 5830s ;) £360 in fact or £320 for a 5870
My 5870 consumes less power than my old 4890 :thumb:
Will, neither you, or I pay for our electricity bill.
A 5830 CF will consume less power than a 4870x2. I don't remember my electricity spiking up with my old 4870x2.
EDIT : 5830's don't cost 180 each, they can be had for 160..
Will, neither you, or I pay for our electricity bill.
A 5830 CF will consume less power than a 4870x2. I don't remember my electricity spiking up with my old 4870x2.
EDIT : 5830's don't cost 180 each, they can be had for 160..
Just because I don't directly pay for it, it's still an important consideration. I like things to be efficient and a 5830 IS NOT EFFICIENT ;)
That is basically why I'm not a fan and others also aren't a fan by the sounds of it.
You're not a fan as you like to lord over the fact you won a 5870 at a cheap price and you bring it up alot.
You, like me, are just a child, and also, it's there money, not ours, don't push your preference on them.
Fact is, 2 5830's at 320 pound offers incredible price/performance ratio.
Two 5770's at like 260 pound will also beat the 5870 in tesselation.
To the OP, consider a 5850 IF you can get get one at 200-220. Consider a 5770 crossfire if that fails, at a total of 260, or, get a 5830 crossfire at 320.
Either way, you won't be disappointed.
Hey steady on now.
I would buy a 5850 over a 5870 ANY DAY!
As you've said it just so happened I won this one, but that's got nothing to do with anything :rolleyes:
I would buy a 5850 over a 5830 ANY DAY also. Tbh I'd recommend a 5850 to anybody wanting a gaming machine :knock: 5870's aren't worth the price over a 5850.
The 5850 was a purpose designed card, with it's specific PCB. Not an after thought like the 5830 was :p
The 5830 was used out of failed 5870's.. It's a good card.
Made AMD money instead of the loss that they would have had.
I can't will till late 2011 when they move to GF and move to 28nm, since 32nm has been scrapped.
The 5830 was used out of failed 5870's.. It's a good card.
Made AMD money instead of the loss that they would have had.
I can't will till late 2011 when they move to GF and move to 28nm, since 32nm has been scrapped.
I'll leave it here haha
How come 32nm was scrapped? Poor yield or performance or something?
Is 2011 when the 6xxx series is out?
They don't trust TM, thus why the 6XXX is a hybrid and not there new architecture, that will be saved for the 7XXX.
I.E, the 6XXX will be disappointing
6XXX will be out this year. The move to GF is 2011.
It would appear that the 5830 is as long as the 5870 which kinda rules it out for me as I will have issues with losing a drive bay if I install in my Antec 1200...
Looks like it's either a choice of the 2 x 5770 in CF OR 1 x 5850 again !....
with room to add another 5850 in the future when the 6***'s come out and prices drop...
6XXX won't drop 5XXX prices much at all.
And as above ^^, 5850 if at 200-220, 5770 XF if you can get it for 260.
My plan is to get a 5830 in the next week or so (nice step up from my current 8800GT), and then get anoter 5830 in a year or so. Bearing in mind, my monitor is a 16:9 ratio and only has a res of 1600x900, it should do nicely!
I see 5830's at 163.
If I was an idiot, I'd get two and sell my Asus reference 5850 XD.
My plan is to get a 5830 in the next week or so (nice step up from my current 8800GT), and then get anoter 5830 in a year or so. Bearing in mind, my monitor is a 16:9 ratio and only has a res of 1600x900, it should do nicely!
Could have had my 4890 for £100, saved you £70 for the same performance :o
6XXX won't drop 5XXX prices much at all.
And as above ^^, 5850 if at 200-220, 5770 XF if you can get it for 260.
So how are they planning on making the 6 series sell? Just throw in some more shaders etc?
It's called southern islands or something, it's a hybrid.
It won't be much better.
But the 5870 is just 1600 shader version of the 4870 on 40NM to be basic lol.
Could have had my 4890 for £100, saved you £70 for the same performance :o
I wouldnt pay £100 for a 4890 now.. But if you want to PM me your best price, then feel free :)
It's called southern islands or something, it's a hybrid.
It won't be much better.
But the 5870 is just 1600 shader version of the 4870 on 40NM to be basic lol.
Was the architecture changed between the 3 series and 4 series?
Was the architecture changed between the 3 series and 4 series?
Not that I know of.
I just had a look and the 4 series had a few new features, but it was classed as an 'extension' of the architecture from the 2xxx and again with the 3xxx. I guess the same thing happened between then 4xxx to the 5xxx aswell.
So is the 7xxx actually meant to be brand new architecture? Like Fermi was from the GT200..?
Oh decisions, decisions !...
Does anyone have the actual measurementrs for PowerColor ATI Radeon HD 5830 OC ?
The 6XXX was meant to be new, but since the 32nm has been scrapped, they're making a 40nm stop gap until the move to GF.
Some say it's a 5XXX refresh, I.E, 5860 etc, but that seems pointless, and will likely be 6XXX, and then 7XXX will be 28nm on the new architecture in 2011.
The 5830 reference is 5870 size.
SO it's around 11.5 inches long then !...
I will have to recheck my case clearance to see if this will fit or not !..
Without losing a drive bay if at all possible...
Otherwise it's going to be a 5850 or the 2 x 5770's in CF
I'd get a 5850 :)
I've heard...probably from Martin, that two 5770s are noisey.
My 5870 is (was before it broke) silent...I'd presume the 5850 is similar :)
Terbinator
07-06-10, 16:25
AFAIK, the 2 (maybe even the X1xxx) series onwards up until the 'Islands' GPU's were just extensions of the Xenos in the 360 as this was ATI's first Unified shader architecture.
The 5770's are silent.
Maybe it was somebody else then, i've heard that they were noisy though :o
Well have taken the Plunge and have ordered a 5770 which
is coming tomorrow. ! Soon to followed with another probably next week!
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