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Received the parts this morning and going to start building the computer this evening. My initial plan is get the system up first and make sure it's stable before going for moderate overclocking.
What're the software that I need to test the stability of the system and memories?
Thanks.
prime95 will stress the cpu and mem, then furmark for the gpu, those are my stress tests of choice, definately get it set up and use it for a bit first (to make sure it runs stable at stock) then in a few days-a week overclock it (it'll also give time for teh TIM to cure if it needs it, ie. AS5)
callumburns
11-05-10, 17:09
oh what parts did you get :D? make sure to take some pictures and stuff too, i love following peoples builds :), and just google realtemp or cpu-z for all that kind of software
oh what parts did you get :D? make sure to take some pictures and stuff too, i love following peoples builds :), and just google realtemp or cpu-z for all that kind of software
The parts are for a normal computer build and not for gaming because I don't have much talent in playing computer games, such as:
Intel Core i7 920
Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R
GSkill 2x2GB ECO series - C8 - 1.35V
Benq G2222HDL 21.5" LCD monitor
XFX GeForce 8600GT 256MB
WD Cavier Black SATAIII 64MB 640GB
Gigabyte GZ-X4 case
Titan Fenrir v2
Artic Silver 5
OCZ StealthXStream 600W
prime95 will stress the cpu and mem, then furmark for the gpu, those are my stress tests of choice, definately get it set up and use it for a bit first (to make sure it runs stable at stock) then in a few days-a week overclock it (it'll also give time for teh TIM to cure if it needs it, ie. AS5)
Ok... I will get the Prime95 and the Furmark.
The thing I that I'm worried the most is the memory settings as I read a lot of issues online. I don't think I'm going to overclock the memory, probably will let it runs at stock rating or at lower 1333GHz. Not sure I'm good luck enough or not.
wonderlust
11-05-10, 17:41
Have you had a look at the case yet?
If so what are your thoughts?
Have you had a look at the case yet?
If so what are your thoughts?
Not yet... all parts are still in boxes. The case I bought is a low end one. I only hope that the Titan Fenrir can go into it without any problem.
wonderlust
11-05-10, 17:47
I know the case lol I did a review of it on here a couple of weeks ago ;)
The case is a good size so I sould guess it will fit, but you will have to remove the CAG duct from the side panel.
Oh and on your build... DON'T forget to use the STAND OFFS ;)
Good luck with the build :smile
I know the case lol I did a review of it on here a couple of weeks ago ;)
The case is a good size so I sould guess it will fit, but you will have to remove the CAG duct from the side panel.
Oh and on your build... DON'T forget to use the STAND OFFS ;)
Now I recalled the review you wrote. Thanks for your review which helped me to decide to get the case instead of Asus cases with similar price.
By the way, what's the "STAND OFFS"? Thanks.
wonderlust
11-05-10, 18:27
Brass feet that screw into the case to isolate the motherboard from the case.
see the 10th picture in my review
How should I apply the Artic Silver 5? Onto the heatsink or the CPU? How much should I apply? Thanks.
callumburns
11-05-10, 19:10
tiny pea sized amount and spread it over the processor thinly and evenly
wonderlust
11-05-10, 19:17
Make sure there is none preapplied already on the heatsink!
I can't stop laughing (at me) when watching the following video because I also went through the similar experience when installing the processor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXTP3OZFSWw
wonderlust
14-05-10, 12:12
So how is the build?
Lol would still like to know your opinion of the case :)
So how is the build?
Lol would still like to know your opinion of the case :)
Still building... PSU, m/board, processor, heatsink, and RAM have been installed into the case. The in-completed system was powered up and so far so good. Going to install HDD, mouse, keyboard and monitor. Hopefully everything will be OK...
I think the case looks good for me considering my existing case is quite ugly. Luckily the Titan Fenrir can fit into it. It's not very spacious though in my opinion. It took me quite some time to figure out how to put the motherboard (with installed heatsink) into the case.
I'm not sure about other m/boards but I think Gigabyte should alter the design of the "screw pad" around the screw holes (see figure below) on its X58A board. When I tightened the screw, I found out some "solder debris" coming out from the pad around the screw holes. I think these debris are conductive. I'm not sure if these debris, touch other electronic parts, will cause problem to the motherboard. Probably I should use vacuum cleaner to suck all the debris but unfortunately I don't have a vacuum cleaner at home.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/zhaopian/ga-x58a-ud3r-screw-holes.jpg
tiny pea sized amount and spread it over the processor thinly and evenly
Thanks. I followed the instruction given at Artic Silver website. I applied the thermal compound on the processor only. I didn't apply the thermal compound on the heatsink copper base, is it correct?
I'm not sure about other m/boards but I think Gigabyte should alter the design of the "screw pad" around the screw holes (see figure below) on its X58A board. When I tightened the screw, I found out some "solder debris" coming out from the pad around the screw holes. I think these debris are conductive. I'm not sure if these debris, touch other electronic parts, will cause problem to the motherboard. Probably I should use vacuum cleaner to suck all the debris but unfortunately I don't have a vacuum cleaner at home.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/zhaopian/ga-x58a-ud3r-screw-holes.jpg
It won't mess anything up mate, last thing you want is to just run a vacuum over the mobo lol.
It won't mess anything up mate, last thing you want is to just run a vacuum over the mobo lol.
Unfortunately I don't have a vacuum cleaner at home... :(
What I did was to turn over the case/motherboard and "shake" it and hope that "unseen" debris would fall off.
wonderlust
14-05-10, 16:14
No he meant a hoover is a bad idea
No he meant a hoover is a bad idea
Ooopss... Thanks.
wonderlust
14-05-10, 17:15
the screws that hold the motherboard in should only be screwed down just over loose.
They DON'T (DON@T) need to be screwed tight!
Fibre washers also stop the damage you are seeing happening!
http://www.cwc-group.com/inwa40.html
the screws that hold the motherboard in should only be screwed down just over loose.
They DON'T (DON@T) need to be screwed tight!
Fibre washers also stop the damage you are seeing happening!
http://www.cwc-group.com/inwa40.html
I unscrewed all of them and cleaned the debris surrounding the holes with alcohol pad. Then, I used washers, like those shown in the link in your last post, to prevent the solder being "scratched" by screw thread. It looks good so far...
Now... all the parts (e.g. graphic card, keyboard, mouse, monitor, HDD, and CD/DVD drive), are connected to the system.
It's been powered up but the outcome is not so good because my system just detected 256MB of RAM instead of 4GB. Any advices?
Thanks.
Thanks. I followed the instruction given at Artic Silver website. I applied the thermal compound on the processor only. I didn't apply the thermal compound on the heatsink copper base, is it correct?
Yes, following the manufacturers instructions for thermal paste is always the best idea.
Lol would still like to know your opinion of the case :)
I would like to add a negative comment about the case, i.e. the system fans which come with the case are quite noisy. I'm not sure if they're still noisy when the side panels are installed back to the case. If not, then I would expect it will be quite noisy especially at mid-night when the surrounding is quiet.
Now... all the parts (e.g. graphic card, keyboard, mouse, monitor, HDD, and CD/DVD drive), are connected to the system.
It's been powered up but the outcome is not so good because my system just detected 256MB of RAM instead of 4GB. Any advices?
Thanks.
Reseat the memory. Consult the manual as to what slots to use, generally you put them in slots of the same colour.
Is this detecting them in BIOS or Windows?
I would like to add a negative comment about the case, i.e. the system fans which come with the case are quite noisy. I'm not sure if they're still noisy when the side panels are installed back to the case. If not, then I would expect it will be quite noisy especially at mid-night when the surrounding is quiet.
Stock fans are rarely quiet, get yourself some replacements or a fan controller.
Reseat the memory. Consult the manual as to what slots to use, generally you put them in slots of the same colour.
Is this detecting them in BIOS or Windows?
Stock fans are rarely quiet, get yourself some replacements or a fan controller.
I'm going to Tesco soon and will "reseat" the memory once I come back later.
I think the memories (2x2GB) are installed in the right slots.
I've not installed Windows yet. When we power up the computer, the first few lines displayed on the monitor show that the memory is 256MB. I could not find the amount of memory in the BIOS (enter by pressing "DEL"). I will check again when I come back from Tesco later.
That's true... will consider to get some quiet fans in future.
Thanks.
Thats your graphics that it is showing as 256mb.
Hit delete when it starts up and that'll take you into the BIOS, look for System Information, that will show 4GB.
that's the graphics card memory mate (just checked the specs) :)
Edit: beaten to it :p
that's the graphics card memory mate (just checked the specs) :)
Edit: beaten to it :p
Oh no... I'm really out-of-date... Ha Ha... In my previous computer, it shows the the system memory...
That's true... It's graphic card memory. I've checked the BIOS and it's stated Total memory: 4096MB. So, it's correct, I think.
I can't stop laughing at myself for doing such stupid mistake... :rofl: :o
My new computer is up now... Writing this post with the new computer... However, still need some time to tune the memory as it's running at 1066MHz at the moment.
Good to hear you got it up and running.
As for the memory, that should be easy to do. Go into BIOS, then the top left option: MB Intelligent Tweaker (M.I.T.), about half way down the page go to Xtreme Memory Profile (XMP) and select the first profile, if it is the correct one it will state 1600MHz two options down.
Shown in this picture here: http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2009/03/gigabyte-ga-ex58-ud3r/bios1.jpg
At the moment the system is quite noisy (see http://forums.aria.co.uk/showthread.php?t=20583). I must find a way to reduce the noise by few dBA, or it will be very irritating working with the computer especially at mid-night. Quite disappointed... Hopefully I miss some settings. Kindly advise.
The Titan Fenrir heatsink is tightened to the m/board with four thumb screws. I wonder how hard you guys tighten the "thumb" screws. I'm not sure my thumb is powerful enough to tighten the screws so that the contact between the heatsink and processor is good. Should I use a plier to tighten them?
At the moment the system is quite noisy (see http://forums.aria.co.uk/showthread.php?t=20583). I must find a way to reduce the noise by few dBA, or it will be very irritating working with the computer especially at mid-night. Quite disappointed... Hopefully I miss some settings. Kindly advise.
Get a fan controller. Also, after reading the thread, have you unplugged all fans at the same time to check it isn't the PSU fan?
The Titan Fenrir heatsink is tightened to the m/board with four thumb screws. I wonder how hard you guys tighten the "thumb" screws. I'm not sure my thumb is powerful enough to tighten the screws so that the contact between the heatsink and processor is good. Should I use a plier to tighten them?
What sort of temps are you getting? Best to check the instructions, my guess is if they are thumbscrews without slots for screw drivers, you just do them as tight as you can by hand.
The Titan Fenrir heatsink is tightened to the m/board with four thumb screws. I wonder how hard you guys tighten the "thumb" screws. I'm not sure my thumb is powerful enough to tighten the screws so that the contact between the heatsink and processor is good. Should I use a plier to tighten them?
You don't want to over tighten them, which could cause the board to crack, thus I would imagine Titan put on the thumb screws so you could turn them by your fingers rather than pliers.
To check a tight contact, install as recommended then see if you can move the HSF combo by moving it side to side, if it slides off the CPU then it's not tight enough.
You don't want to over tighten them, which could cause the board to crack, thus I would imagine Titan put on the thumb screws so you could turn them by your fingers rather than pliers.
To check a tight contact, install as recommended then see if you can move the HSF combo by moving it side to side, if it slides off the CPU then it's not tight enough.
You're right. I'm worried if the force I applied (by hand) would have "bent" the board and hence caused the board to crack. After carefully inspecting the design of the Titan HSF, I think the board will not be "bent" but the back-plate provided by Titan will be "bent" slightly if the applied force is too high. I think this is a good design. What do you reckon?
Sounds like a good design to me. To be honest, a "fresh" circut board has more "give" to it than an older one that's dried out, so it can flex a little more. But, Titan provided that back plate for good reason and from the sounds of it (I will be buying a Titan HSF myself) it's a good design.
Sounds like a good design to me. To be honest, a "fresh" circut board has more "give" to it than an older one that's dried out, so it can flex a little more. But, Titan provided that back plate for good reason and from the sounds of it (I will be buying a Titan HSF myself) it's a good design.
But noise produced by the stock fan of the Titan Fenrir is very high at its rated 2200RPM. :)
TTIWWP
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/mac124/smilies/worthless.gif
But noise produced by the stock fan of the Titan Fenrir is very high at its rated 2200RPM. :)
Really? Humm, how "loud is loud" can you hear it over your HDD?
I've read some people replacing the stock Titan fan, maybe this is why?
Really? Humm, how "loud is loud" can you hear it over your HDD?
I've read some people replacing the stock Titan fan, maybe this is why?
When it operates at its rated speed, the noise it produces, to me, is very loud. It's definitely much louder than that emitted by HDD. For example, the noise is still significant if you stand 4~5 meters away from the enclosed casing!
I read those reviews too and that's why I bought it. Don't trust those reviews. Avatar (another forumer) and I got the same problem when the Titan Fenrir stock fan operates near to its rated speed (2000~2400RPM). Like an Aria forumer pointed out in one of my threads, the performance of Titan Fenrir is good not because its excellent heatsink design but because of its fan, which gives high airflow (approx. 78CFM) at 2200RPM (which is very noisy especially at quiet midnight). Thus, Avatar and I are discussing lately to find a suitable fan to replace the stock fan.
wonderlust
19-05-10, 21:46
i can see why Thermalright didn't used to supply fans with the TRUE.
I run a nexus 120mm PWM fan on mine with the bios contolling the fan speed. most of the time its running about 530RPM
Keeps my Q6600 @ 3Ghz around 30c
i can see why Thermalright didn't used to supply fans with the TRUE.
I run a nexus 120mm PWM fan on mine with the bios contolling the fan speed. most of the time its running about 530RPM
Keeps my Q6600 @ 3Ghz around 30c
I just don't understand why my Titan Fenrir fan doesn't response accordingly to what I set (and wish) via EasyTune 6 of the Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R. Is the Titan fan has problem? Or, my mobo? Hope someone can share if he/she has the same mobo.
Terbinator
19-05-10, 22:29
Easytune is Windows software isn't it? Try setting it in the BIOS.
wonderlust
19-05-10, 22:30
mines set to 12.5% in the bios ant it speeds up at 50c
Really? Humm, how "loud is loud" can you hear it over your HDD?
Yes it is louder than the HD.:)
To give you an idea of the noise level, when my Titan Fenrir spins at the top speed the noise I hear from it is 6 to 8 times louder than the Samsung spinpoint F3.:eek:
Luckily the fans of the Lian Li pc7 are fairly quiet, but despite the good case I can hear the Titan fan noise coming out of the back (where the expelling case fan is).:(
I tried opening the side door of the case and the noise becomes a fracass, it does definitely comes from the Titan fan.:p
I just don't understand why my Titan Fenrir fan doesn't response accordingly to what I set (and wish) via EasyTune 6 of the Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R. Is the Titan fan has problem? Or, my mobo? Hope someone can share if he/she has the same mobo.
I had mine set to AUTO and the BIOS seemed to control it OK. See post #28 in my thread HERE (http://forums.aria.co.uk/showthread.php?t=20657&page=3). Also in the same post I mention that the Titan fan is fairly quiet (almost) at low speed, which makes me think that maybe you have an unusually noisy one.:(
However anything above 1200-1300 RPM starts to get annoying (a loud whoosh).:cop:
The titan also comes with a 4pins to 3pins adapter (not used on mine) and in a review (don't remember which ATM) someone said that by using the adapter the fan runs at a lower fixed speed of 1300 RPM. You could try that.:thumb:
EDIT: Sorry, ignore my last sentence, I noticed that you already mention testing the 3pin connection (an I correct?).
Easytune is Windows software isn't it? Try setting it in the BIOS.
There are not many options available in BIOS, i.e. AUTO, VOLTAGE, or PWM.
mines set to 12.5% in the bios ant it speeds up at 50c
Which motherboard that you're using? Thanks.
The titan also comes with a 4pins to 3pins adapter (not used on mine) and in a review (don't remember which ATM) someone said that by using the adapter the fan runs at a lower fixed speed of 1300 RPM. You could try that.:thumb:
EDIT: Sorry, ignore my last sentence, I noticed that you already mention testing the 3pin connection (an I correct?).
It's ok, no problem. But I note a point (underlined) made in your comment, which make me think that there must be something in the adapter. I will check it and let you know.
It's ok, no problem. But I note a point (underlined) made in your comment, which make me think that there must be something in the adapter. I will check it and let you know.
Thanks I'm also curious to see what happens. :thumb:
By the way, my system is all boxed up ready for collection tomorrow otherwise I would test it myself.:(
I also do not think our Gigabyte motherboard has the setting mentioned by wonderlust he probably has a different motherboard.
On our motherboard (from what it says in the manual) when setting the fan to AUTO it will look for the connector type and if it finds a PWM type then it works in PWM mode.
I tried both AUTO and PWM and the speed of the fan did not change (probably because the AUTO defaulted to working in PWM mode as it found a PWM connector).
Confused yet?:confused:
I tried both AUTO and PWM and the speed of the fan did not change (probably because the AUTO defaulted to working in PWM mode as it found a PWM connector).
Confused yet?:confused:
I've the similar problem, when it's set at AUTO or PWM. I guess you may have requested to get a 3rd party fan to replace the Titan stock fan. If it is, then you may try again to set it as AUTO or PWM when you get your m/board back and see if the speed of the fan varies accordingly to the setting. If it has the same problem, then our m/board PWM control mode has a flaw or otherwise the Titan fan is not designed properly to operate in PWM mode.
I've the similar problem, when it's set at AUTO or PWM. I guess you may have requested to get a 3rd party fan to replace the Titan stock fan. If it is, then you may try again to set it as AUTO or PWM when you get your m/board back and see if the speed of the fan varies accordingly to the setting. If it has the same problem, then our m/board PWM control mode has a flaw or otherwise the Titan fan is not designed properly to operate in PWM mode.
I actually might replace the Titan altogether if the current one has a fault.:lol:
If not then I'll look for a quieter fan for the Titan.:thumb:
It just occurred to me that we never checked if we have the same rev. no. and same Bios ver.
I have three other computers all with Gigabyte P35C-DS3R motherboards but two are rev.1 and one is rev.2 all with the same Bios version.
The rev.1 can set the memory voltage starting at 1.6v while the rev.2 starts at 1.8v, basically they are the same model and bios but have some differences.
It just occurred to me that we never checked if we have the same rev. no. and same Bios ver.
I have three other computers all with Gigabyte P35C-DS3R motherboards but two are rev.1 and one is rev.2 all with the same Bios version.
The rev.1 can set the memory voltage starting at 1.6v while the rev.2 starts at 1.8v, basically they are the same model and bios but have some differences.
It looks to me that you're still awake at this very very very early in the morning. If you may wait for few more minutes before going to bed, I will upload the information of the 4-pin to 3-pin adapter provided by Titan.
My Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R is Rev. 1.0 and its BIOS version is F5, which according to the Gigabyte website is the latest BIOS.
The following is the 4-pin to 3-pin adapter came with the Titan Fenrir V2. I found out there is a resistor (or few resistors connected in parallel) at the middle of the "sleeve". The effective resistance is approx. 42 ohm. Due to finite voltage drop across the resistor, the effective voltage appears across the fan terminals is less than 12V and hence the speed is lower, I guess.
http://www.upload3r.com/serve/190510/1274316701.png
If you wanted a RPM variable alternative then I'd recommend a Zalman Fanmate.
But to be honest, if you have more than one fan to control you might as well invest in a decent rheostat fan controller.
At idle, the core temperature is around 36~40 deg C. Here is the first Prime5 test results of my newly built system. It's not been overclocked yet. I guess the temperature is quite high. Please kindly comment. The fan is running at about 1700RPM.
http://www.upload3r.com/serve/190510/1274322469.png
Your temps are fine.
Try using speedfan instead of a resistor.
How interesting. So would you still recommend the Titan then if it's that loud? Sure it's a great HSF but if it's that loud is it worth it?
I'm on the track to order one very shortly here so I'm courious if I should still get the Titan and order a 3rd party fan for it or go with something else??
humm...
Your temps are fine.
Try using speedfan instead of a resistor.
I've used Speedfan on my system, it works great for my CPU fan and even case fan too!
wonderlust
20-05-10, 09:07
Which motherboard that you're using? Thanks.
An MSI P45 Platinum with a Q6600 @ 3Ghz core voltage set at 1.26v
If you wanted a RPM variable alternative then I'd recommend a Zalman Fanmate.
But to be honest, if you have more than one fan to control you might as well invest in a decent rheostat fan controller.
I second the fanmate, I have one I use on a Freezer 64 non PWM
It looks to me that you're still awake at this very very very early in the morning. If you may wait for few more minutes before going to bed, I will upload the information of the 4-pin to 3-pin adapter provided by Titan.
My Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R is Rev. 1.0 and its BIOS version is F5, which according to the Gigabyte website is the latest BIOS.
Sorry I was in bed by the time you wrote this, but i saw your adapter's photo.:thumb::p
Your temps are fine.
Try using speedfan instead of a resistor.
Thanks. I will try the software...
At idle, the core temperature is around 36~40 deg C. Here is the first Prime5 test results of my newly built system. It's not been overclocked yet. I guess the temperature is quite high. Please kindly comment. The fan is running at about 1700RPM.
Your temp at stock speed (full load) are similar to my OC 4GHZ (idle) see here (http://forums.aria.co.uk/showthread.php?t=20657&page=4).
However at those temps my Titan fan was going at full speed. Why is your fan not going full speed?:confused:
I'm sure your temps would be lower if the fan was going at full speed.
How interesting. So would you still recommend the Titan then if it's that loud? Sure it's a great HSF but if it's that loud is it worth it?
I'm on the track to order one very shortly here so I'm courious if I should still get the Titan and order a 3rd party fan for it or go with something else??
humm...
Here is my opinion, which might be wrong to others :).
I think there is no magic in the Titan Fenrir V2. As claimed by another forumer in one of my earlier threads (I can't remember which one, I'm sorry), Titan Fenrir performs well simply because the company attaches a powerful fan (approx. 78CFM @ 2200RPM) to the heatsink, and not entirely due to the unique design of the heatsink. I believe if the same fan is used with other heatsink, e.g. Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans,+Heatsinks,+Coolers/CPU+Coolers/Coolermaster+Hyper+212+Plus+(Socket+AM2/AM2%2B/AM3/775/1156/1366)+CPU+Cooler+?productId=39577), similar performance will be otained. For example, we buy the Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus and replace the stock fan with a decent one (e.g. Akasa, Silenx, etc.), it should give similar performance at much lower acoustic noise, with more or less similar cost to that of Titan Fenrir V2.
Titan Fenrir V2 is the second 3rd party HSF I bought so far. The first one is from Arctic Cooling and I would say it's very good and quiet to cool the Intel P4 3.0GHz Prescot processor, which is well known for its high heat. To be honest I'm quite disappointed with the Titan Fenrir V2. I'm not good in these stuffs but if I'm given a chance to choose again, I will be looking for a HSF with rated speed not more than 1500RPM, or buy a decent fan to replace the stock fan of the Titan Fenrir V2. In my opinion, when we choose a fan, it's better to believe the rated speed (the error in rated speed is predictable) than the advertised dBA (with many uncertainties).
How interesting. So would you still recommend the Titan then if it's that loud? Sure it's a great HSF but if it's that loud is it worth it?
I'm on the track to order one very shortly here so I'm courious if I should still get the Titan and order a 3rd party fan for it or go with something else??
humm...
RDRUNR, if you can wait I'll let you know about the outcome of my Titan Fenrir, the system is being collected today and hopefully by next week I'll know if the problem was the Titan.
If there is a problem I decided to pay the difference and replace it with a Megahalems + Gentle typhoon (I might get away with one).
Otherwise I still intend to replace the Titan fan with a quieter one.
Your temp at stock speed (full load) are similar to my OC 4GHZ (idle) see here (http://forums.aria.co.uk/showthread.php?t=20657&page=4).
However at those temps my Titan fan was going at full speed. Why is your fan not going full speed?:confused:
I'm sure your temps would be lower if the fan was going at full speed.
Have you checked the setting at EasyTune6->SMART->AUTO/ADVANCE as shown in figure below? However, I configured it to AUTO mode when I did the test. In this AUTO mode, I believe the PWM fan worked according to the default settings shown under the ADVANCE tab.
http://www.upload3r.com/serve/200510/1274347051.png
Have you checked the setting at EasyTune6->SMART->AUTO/ADVANCE as shown in figure below? However, I configured it to AUTO mode when I did the test. In this AUTO mode, I believe the PWM fan worked according to the default settings shown under the ADVANCE tab.
Ok I see.:thumb:
Personally I would set it to spin faster when the temps hit 55-60C.:)
Ok I see.:thumb:
Personally I would set it to spin faster when the temps hit 55-60C.:)
I agree... In fact I did trying but I couldn't get it right... probably I still don't understand how it works.
I agree... In fact I did trying but I couldn't get it right... probably I still don't understand how it works.
What happens when you try to drag those tabs?:confused:
http://www.upload3r.com/serve/200510/1274347922.jpg
What happens when you try to drag those tabs?:confused:
I did dragging these tabs before but the fan seemed not response to the settings. May be I should try various combinations of these tab settings. Thanks mate.
Terbinator
20-05-10, 11:04
You did click 'Set' after moving the slider, right ?
You did click 'Set' after moving the slider, right ?
Well spotted, but I would hope he did do that.:thumb::p
You did click 'Set' after moving the slider, right ?
Yes... I did click the "Set" button.
Here is my opinion, which might be wrong to others :).
I think there is no magic in the Titan Fenrir V2. As claimed by another forumer in one of my earlier threads (I can't remember which one, I'm sorry), Titan Fenrir performs well simply because the company attaches a powerful fan (approx. 78CFM @ 2200RPM) to the heatsink, and not entirely due to the unique design of the heatsink. I believe if the same fan is used with other heatsink, e.g. Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans,+Heatsinks,+Coolers/CPU+Coolers/Coolermaster+Hyper+212+Plus+(Socket+AM2/AM2%2B/AM3/775/1156/1366)+CPU+Cooler+?productId=39577), similar performance will be otained. For example, we buy the Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus and replace the stock fan with a decent one (e.g. Akasa, Silenx, etc.), it should give similar performance at much lower acoustic noise, with more or less similar cost to that of Titan Fenrir V2.
Titan Fenrir V2 is the second 3rd party HSF I bought so far. The first one is from Arctic Cooling and I would say it's very good and quiet to cool the Intel P4 3.0GHz Prescot processor, which is well known for its high heat. To be honest I'm quite disappointed with the Titan Fenrir V2. I'm not good in these stuffs but if I'm given a chance to choose again, I will be looking for a HSF with rated speed not more than 1500RPM, or buy a decent fan to replace the stock fan of the Titan Fenrir V2. In my opinion, when we choose a fan, it's better to believe the rated speed (the error in rated speed is predictable) than the advertised dBA (with many uncertainties).
Good post. You are most likely right there that it's the fan that helps a lot. Although the design of the Fenrir is really good too and I wouldn't rule that out. But there are reviews using other HSF solutions with 3rd party fans and they do come in very good. You would think the OEM's would put the best fan on their HSF and charge a little more, after all, that's why we are buying 3rd party HSF solutions in the first place... excellent cooling.
RDRUNR, if you can wait I'll let you know about the outcome of my Titan Fenrir, the system is being collected today and hopefully by next week I'll know if the problem was the Titan.
If there is a problem I decided to pay the difference and replace it with a Megahalems + Gentle typhoon (I might get away with one).
Otherwise I still intend to replace the Titan fan with a quieter one.
I'd like to know if there is a difference there with the temps when you do that. Did you see my post with 6 different fan choices Aria sells that would be a "better" solution for the Titan?
I'd like to know if there is a difference there with the temps when you do that. Did you see my post with 6 different fan choices Aria sells that would be a "better" solution for the Titan?
Yes and I believe that some of those may not fit the Titan (need to check the fan clips fit).
The Coolink (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans,+Heatsinks,+Coolers/Case+Fans/120mm+Case+Fans/Coolink+SWiF2-12P+120mm+PWM+Quiet+Cooling+Fan+?productId=39446) will probably fit but at 27.1 dBA although quieter than the Titan fan it is not a huge improvement.
The Nexus (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans,+Heatsinks,+Coolers/Case+Fans/120mm+Case+Fans/Nexus+Real+Silent+120mm+Fan+with+PWM+control+?prod uctId=30573) may also fit but the specs say from 15.5dB that is at 500 RPM, compare that with the Titan starting at 17.2 Db (I assume at the lowest speed of 800 RPM), again quiet but not impressive.
I don't want to go on because my head is exploding with all this info.:eek:
I've given up believing all these manufacturers "Specs".
I would like to go into a shop and listen with my ears, then I can make a proper judgement and cut all the technical nonsense out.:p
Don't forget that (as it has been brought to my attention) the CFM is not the only factor (it's ok for case fans). For HSF static air pressure is also (if not more) important, this has been discussed in my other thread here (http://forums.aria.co.uk/showthread.php?t=20657&page=2) post #17 and a good explanation was given by RawZ.
wonderlust
20-05-10, 14:10
Feel free to come and listen to my nexus/true combination :)
Yes and I believe that some of those may not fit the Titan (need to check the fan clips fit).
The Coolink (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans,+Heatsinks,+Coolers/Case+Fans/120mm+Case+Fans/Coolink+SWiF2-12P+120mm+PWM+Quiet+Cooling+Fan+?productId=39446)w ill probably fit but at 27.1 dBA although quieter than the Titan fan it is not a huge improvement.
The Nexus (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans,+Heatsinks,+Coolers/Case+Fans/120mm+Case+Fans/Nexus+Real+Silent+120mm+Fan+with+PWM+control+?prod uctId=30573) may also fit but the specs say from 15.5dB that is at 500 RPM, compare that with the Titan starting at 17.2 Db (I assume at the lowest speed of 800 RPM), again quiet but not impressive.
I don't want to go on because my head is exploding with all this info.:eek:
I've given up believing all these manufacturers "Specs".
I would like to go into a shop and listen with my ears, then I can make a proper judgement and cut all the technical nonsense out.:p
Don't forget that (as it has been brought to my attention) the CFM is not the only factor (it's ok for case fans). For HSF static air pressure is also (if not more) important, this has been discussed in my other thread here (http://forums.aria.co.uk/showthread.php?t=20657&page=2) post #17 and a good explanation was given by RawZ.
For reference:
Hearing damage 85 dB
Passenger car 60– 80 dB
TV (set at home level)60 dB
Normal conversation 40 – 60 dB
Quiet restaurant 50
Residential area at night 40
Empty movie house 30
Very calm conversation 20 – 30
Rustling of leaves 20
Light leaf rustling, calm breathing 10 dB
Human breathing (at 3m)10
For reference:
Hearing damage 85 dB
Passenger car 60– 80 dB
TV (set at home level)60 dB
Normal conversation 40 – 60 dB
Quiet restaurant 50
Residential area at night 40
Empty movie house 30
Very calm conversation 20 – 30
Rustling of leaves 20
Light leaf rustling, calm breathing 10 dB
Human breathing (at 3m)10
Good reference...
I spoke to a fan manufacturer and they emailed me a datasheet of their fan. The datasheet looks professional, for example, it states that the dBA is measured by placing the fan 1m away from the sound level meter, which is very important in the field of acoustic noise.
Besides, every increment of 20dBA means that the loudness increses by a factor of 10.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/zhaopian/db.png.
Here are few fans for comparison:
Titan Fenrir: 78CFM, 2200RPM, 39dBA
Akasa Viper Yellow: 85CFM, 1900RPM, 28dBA
Silenx IXP-76-18: 90CFM, 1400RPM, 18dBA~23dBA
If all of them running at rated speed, the Silenx is expected to be about 10X quieter than the Titan Fenrir stock fan, whilst the Akasa Viper is 5X quieter. If we want the Silenx to deliver equivalent air flow (78CFM), then it will run at lower speed and thus the acoustic noise will be lower.
There is no magic or hidden specs why the Silenx fan performs better. Since its axial length is 38mm, which is longer than more usual 25mm, it's therefore expected to deliver more CFM. Further, the diameter of the motor, which acts as a "dead point" at the center, is smaller than other fans, and thus it improves the air flow. The only draw back is its higher axial length which may become a problem if the casing has limited space. By the way, other factors such as static air pressure should be considered too, as mentioned by RawZ and Avatar, if the fan is to be used for HSF.
I've been working on the measurement and investigation of acoustic noise emitted by electromagnetic actuator since one year plus ago in an anechoic chamber. Thus, I may be more sensitive to acoustic noise and hence my comment may not be applied to everyone. In addition, for a given noise source, two people may perceive two different level of loudness. Like Avatar said the best is to go to shop and hear ourselves. Ha Ha... :).
P/S: If anyone would like to test the acoustic noise of different fans, you may send them to me I can do the test for you free of charge.
callumburns
20-05-10, 15:31
Thanks. I followed the instruction given at Artic Silver website. I applied the thermal compound on the processor only. I didn't apply the thermal compound on the heatsink copper base, is it correct?
yeah thats fine mate :)
Feel free to come and listen to my nexus/true combination :)
I would if I had a car, unfortunately I'm too lazy to come all the way there to listen to a fan and with the price of public transport, I could probably get one delivered and listen in the comfort of my home.:popcorn::coffee:
Thanks anyway.:thumb::)
wonderlust
20-05-10, 21:31
roflol.
I guess you won't be posting in the show your car section anytime soon.
roflol.
I guess you won't be posting in the show your car section anytime soon.
:rofl:Not really...mind you I used to have an old Ford Anglia (paid £ 90 second-hand then sold it for £ 100), I wish I had taken a photo of it (20 years ago). :cry
I recently handed in my driving licence to the DVLA as I have no hope or intention of driving anymore.:rolleyes:
wonderlust
20-05-10, 22:16
Oh nothing too bad I hope :eek:
Oh nothing too bad I hope :eek:
No nothing bad, thanks for asking.:thumb::p
wonderlust
21-05-10, 08:06
I would be lost with out my car or bike!
nothing like freedom of the open road, (these days thats only on the bike lol)
I would be lost with out my car or bike!
nothing like freedom of the open road, (these days thats only on the bike lol)
I wish roads were more cycle friendly.:)
In the past I used to cycle to work every day (1 hour) and that was faster then going by car or bus. But then again the London traffic during rush hour is not the swiftest.:p
ATM I would be a danger to both myself and others using anything but my own 2 feet (health reasons).:(
I still wouldn't use a car anymore though, because...well let's not go into it.:cool::D
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