E6600 temperatures help

[williamsc47]

OK, finally received my PC from ARIA today (minus the monitor but thats another story :( )

Anyway, I have my \"Zalman Super Aero flower cooler\" running on top speed of 2500rpm and the idle temperature (using mobo's temperature monitor) is at 57 degrees centigrade...seems a little hot don't you think? Especially for a fan which is meant to be one of the best?

Please help?

Cheers, Craig

PS: Heres a link to the CPU fan:

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/Socket+A%2C+478%2C+939%2C+754%2C+940/+Zalman+CNPS9700-LED?productId=25080

[Aaron]

id first check to make you mounted it properly (fnar fnar, anyone? ;) ) - did you use the heatpad that came with it or another paste?

Also, what are the ambient/case temps?

[williamsc47]

Hi,

Thanks for the response

Well I only know the motherboard temperature which is at about 35-37 degrees C

As for if its installed correctly...well I would hope so as ARIA built it, but with my current experience with them they probably didnt do that right either :(

[Micky007]

Hi,

I have an E6600 in my pc and my CPU temp is only 34 degrees C.

I would say there is somthing wrong with the way you have put the CPU fan on or it might be the CPU fan itself. Are you sure the fan is spinning and not caught on a wire that may be stopping it from spinning or anything?

Regards,
Michael Walmsley

[williamsc47]

OK, well I have just opened it up and the the whole thing was twisted slightly, so I have twisted it back so that it is square with the CPU and it seems to have helped, although I have only had it on for about 10 mins and is currently reading as 42 degrees C and that idle, so its still a little hot I think and will probably increase :(

Trouble is as well, was twisting it back the right theing to do? probably needs re-seating again now?

[Micky007]

Hi,

Hmmmm dont have any more ideas really other than making sure you have installed it properly.

Regards,
Michael Walmsley

[williamsc47]

Yeah but you are forgetting that I didnt install it, ARIA did and to be honest I don't really wanna try contacting them at the moment :( currently seems to be hiovering at 44-45 degrees C idle :(

[Anonymous]

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[Micky007]

Hi,

Ohhhhhh i thought you built it yourself.

Going to pm you information you may want ;) (should help you out alot)

Regards,
Michael Walmsley

[Micky007]

[quote:37e4d55211=\"PrivatePyle@Work\"]
- There might just be a little bit too much compound on the CPU - get yourself some TIM cleaner (nail varnish will do) clean it off and then respread some thermal compound with an old credit card - waffer thin
:wink:

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Erm.... i would be careful though because it may void your warranty with Aria.

Regards,
Michael Walsmley

[mac124]

Download and install coretemp beta this will read the temps on the die of the cpu not some temp sensor on the mobo so is alot more accurate.

6600's do get a bit toasty and if that 57 is at 100% load using orthos or something similar then i wouldn't worry too much about it.

[Anonymous]

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[williamsc47]

Yeah thats the trouble I don't want to void the warranty, but it seems a bit of a nightmare trying to get any sort of action from them at all at present :(

Just been trying to use the customer services number to try to sort out the missing monitor issue and it just blanks off at the moment.

Honestly, with the number of calls I have had to make this PC is trning out to have cost me a fortune :(

Anyway, yeah those temperatures are idle temps and seems to be going up to 48/49c now

Will try a 3rd party option at some point but I doubt there will be much difference

[Anonymous]

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[williamsc47]

OK, guys you might have been right, I have just downloaded Core temp and it currently tells me the following:

Tjunction: 85c
Core 0: 36c
Core 1: 32c

Not sure what Tjunction is though?

Bare in mind though that this is with the CPU fan on full speed 2500rpm and its pretty noisy

[Micky007]

Hi


Iv just tested the program for myself and somthing isnt right. My CPU montior thats at the front of my case says its 34 degress C and on this program it says Core 1 52 and Core 2 is 53.

Im now buffled.

[williamsc47]

the plot thickens :?

:?:

[Cheule]

[quote:7216080f20=\"Micky007\"]Hi


Iv just tested the program for myself and somthing isnt right. My CPU montior thats at the front of my case says its 34 degress C and on this program it says Core 1 52 and Core 2 is 53.

Im now buffled.[/quote:7216080f20]

The CPU monitor will report the temperature from the thermistor pressing against the underside of the CPU, whereas the Core temps are from actual on-die thermistors, and therefore more accurate.

[mac124]

[quote:d5c91c9aff=\"williamsc47\"]OK, guys you might have been right, I have just downloaded Core temp and it currently tells me the following:

Tjunction: 85c
Core 0: 36c
Core 1: 32c

Not sure what Tjunction is though?

Bare in mind though that this is with the CPU fan on full speed 2500rpm and its pretty noisy[/quote:d5c91c9aff]

Those temps are fine, i think 85c is the thermal shut down temp, ie self preservation temp if the cpu hits this is will automatically shut down.

[williamsc47]

Ok, well thats not so bad then, thanks for that mac and everyone else who chipped in :)

So basically I might as well just ignore the mobo temps?

[mac124]

[quote:4bd0a02f7d=\"Micky007\"]Hi


Iv just tested the program for myself and somthing isnt right. My CPU montior thats at the front of my case says its 34 degress C and on this program it says Core 1 52 and Core 2 is 53.

Im now buffled.[/quote:4bd0a02f7d]

I assume the temp sensor for the display is one you have fitted yourself / came with the case and has a lead that gets stuck to the side of the cpu / heatsink / somewhere?? If so this is only a VERY rough indication of what the cpu temp is doing and as such i would only trust it as such ie rough guide. Basically it sounds like you need to add 20 to it from the readings above. I hope those readings were @ 100% load??

[Micky007]

Hi,

ok so really my cpu is hot?

[mac124]

[quote:b66220ebcb=\"williamsc47\"]Ok, well thats not so bad then, thanks for that mac and everyone else who chipped in :)

So basically I might as well just ignore the mobo temps?[/quote:b66220ebcb]

Well, not exactly you just need to know that XYZ degrees C equates to whatever core temp reads, like i know my mobo's temp sensor (Asus probe) over reads by 5 or 6 degrees so unless hit hits high 50's then no real need to panic.

[mac124]

[quote:50824e31b7=\"Micky007\"]Hi,

ok so really my cpu is hot?[/quote:50824e31b7]

If the 52/52 temps are whilst the pc is ilde then yes something probably needs looking at or possibly the fan on the HS is set to maintain a certain temp.

It might be worth using something like Orthos to load the cpu to 100% and see what the temps do, if it stays around the same temp then don't worry if it goes much above 60 then switch orthos off and try reseating the cpu cooler.

[williamsc47]

ok, thanks mac :)

On a slight side note, I notice I notice in ur sig, that you have the E6600 at 3.6ghz? surely you cannot mean 3.6 per core? doesnt overclock that high does it? I assume you are using watercooling if so?

[mac124]

It is indeed 3.6ghz per core and yes i am using watercooling :wink: though tbh with good air cooling you could probably get close or even match it.

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=165988

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/mac124/3600mhz450x8.jpg

[williamsc47]

Wow, thats pretty impressive :shock: Can't believe they make it possible to take it up that far, I mean thats an extra 1.2ghz per core :shock:

I am definately gonna have to look into doing some overclocking when I am up and running properly, can't pass up on that kind of performace increase now can I :twisted:

[mac124]

Thanks but its not that hard to get that kind of overclock on the C2D's really this is my first intel setup and with carefull choosing of hardware it comes quite easy.

Got a 50% overclock on my 6400 too.

[Cheule]

C2D's really are the weapon of choice at the moment :)

I can't wait to get mine :)

[williamsc47]

Hi guys,

Just gonna bring this thread back as I have just been doing a bit more testing...here is what I have (still the E6600 btw :) ):

Peak temps running Orthos for 30mins using the Blend - Stress CPU and RAM test:

Speedfan results:

Temp 1: 75c (didnt drop below 70c in last 15 mins of test)
Temp 2: 39c
Temp 3: -55c (what the?)
HD0: 29c
Temp 1: 40c (Temp 1 again?)

Core temp Beta results:

Core #0: 66c (didn't drop below 60c in last 15 mins of test)
Core #1: 65c (didn't drop below 60c in last 15 mins of test)

Temps 30 mins after Orthos running more or less idle...did have Emule and utorrent on download etc:

Speedfan results:

Temp 1: 42c
Temp 2: 36c
Temp 3: -55c
HD0: 29c
Temp 1: 40c

Core temp Beta results:

Core #0: 40c
Core #1: 35c

All this with a room temperature of: 20c

Getting a bit hot?

[mac124]

I found speed fan to be very hit and miss tbh and i think the -55c kind of proves that :roll: , core temp is alot more accurate and efinately the one to take notice of.

65c/66c and i would start to get a bit concerned personally. I know Orthos is the \"ultimate\" test and you will probably never runn 100% cpu load for anything like as long as orthos makes it run 100% load but i would still be considering some kind of cooling upgrade if i were you.

Just my opinion though and whilst 66c is a tad toasty i don't think its hot enough to cause any damage, remember though this was at a relatively cool ambient temperature, whats it going to be like in the middle of summer on those 2 or 3 days :wink: when the ambient temperature might be another 8 or so degrees higher.

[williamsc47]

Yeah, agreed, it will be a problem in the summer I would think, especially as I would ideally like to overclock as well...but of course I need to get this problem solved first.

trouble is, I already have a pretty decent CPU cooler, it't this one, which is meant to be one of the best fan type CPU coolers isnt it:

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/Socket+A%2C+478%2C+939%2C+754%2C+940/+Zalman+CNPS9700-LED?productId=25080

[mac124]

Yeah you wont get much better than that cooler staying with air, maybe you have an airflow problem? Try running with the side of the pc off, if your temps drop significantly you may have to increase airflow through the case.

Also it might be worth removing the 9700 cleaning the old thermal goo off and reseating using arctic silver or similar, remember not to use too much though, approximately the equivalent of a couple of grains of rice is sufficient.

[williamsc47]

Hi,

OK, well tried it with the side of the case off and the temps are obviously down, here are the temps from \"Core temp\" with the side off (around middle range of RPM):

Core #0: 59c
Core #1: 57c

I then tried it for 5 mins both with the CPU fan on full power and lowest power:

Highest RPM:

Core #0: 58c
Core #1: 56c

lowest RPM:

Core #0: 60c
Core #1: 58c

So the speed of the CPU fan makes only a small difference it seems

Temps better, but still pretty high considering the side is off don't you think?

As for reseating, yeah that would be an idea, however, I am a little concerned that it would void the warranty with ARIA, especially as when I was on the phone to the PC clinic they said that tocuhing anything inside would (in theory) void the warranty?

Cheers, Craig

[mac124]

Well as the temps are reading approx 8 degrees cooler it does kind of suggest the through put of fresh air through the case is affecting the temperatures.

What case fans have you got fitted? Number of them and size / make?

It might be worth contacting Aria to see if you are allowed to reseat the heatsink and change / add the case fans if necessary.

[williamsc47]

Hi again,

Well the fans I have fitted at present are the standard \"coolermaster\" 8cm fans that came with the case (wavemaster) 2 at the front as inlets and 1 at the back as an exaust.

I do actually have 3 brand new Xilence fans, which I would like to fit as the coolermaster ones are just a little noisy for my liking :) Don't know if these would actually improve cooling though?

I know I can add an exaust to the top of the case but that would mean removing my easy access USB sockets etc, which would be a shame.

Are there any other ways I could improve air flow? Might well get in touch with ARAI again about getting permission for these things, but like I say last time I phoned they seemed to suggest I couldn't, I even asked if I could request permission and he said no :( but I have also read on the forums that you can, so I am a little confused...honestly don't know if I can manage an entire year without fiddling anyway though to be honest :(

Thanks for your help again btw Mac, very much appreciated, thanks

[mac124]

As it's a prebuilt system i guess you are kinda stuck till you get the go ahead from aria regarding changing fans / removing heatsink to add AS5 or similar, the only other thing would be a hard mod such as cutting the side panel and adding a 120mm fan to blow fresh air directly over the heatsink.

Unfortunately the case fans being 80mm aren't generally up to moving much air unless you get really noisy ones such as Vantec Tornados .

[williamsc47]

Yeah, it is a bit of a problem being pre-built :(

Ideally what I think I would like to do now, is get a sapre side panel and make a hole big enough and fir a 120mm fan grid, cant put a fane in as the heatsink takes up too much space inside the case :( so it's either just put the grid on or chage the heatsink, plus a fan on the side would probably vibrate?

Also, I would lie to install the Chimney, that can be added to the wavemaster case, initially I was against this as I would lose my USB and headphone sockets on the top, but then I saw this:

naughty linky to non aria pc thingy removed: - mac :wink:

Can't see anything like this on aria but looks ok on the surface..any thoughts? and would these changes help much do you think?

would also like to install 3 new Xielnce fans...don't know if they would be any better in terms of cooling though?

[mac124]

That would certainly slve the problem of the audio and allow you to install the blowhole fan, not chimney but i get what you are saying :wink: , as to the side fan it wouldn't, or shouldn't, cause vibration and if you can't place it directly over the cpu heatsink place it to the side any extra cool air coming into the case would be a bonus.

ps deleted the linky, competition to aria and all that, sorry. :shock:

[williamsc47]

Ah yeah..didn't think about the link being an issue, especially as ARIA don't seem to sell them..not missing them am I? Sorry about that anyway.

lol, yeah called it a chimney, perhaps I could add some miniature bricks to the top as well :)

As for the side panel...I take it you are suggesting having the fan literally protruding from the side rather than inside? Sadly I think that would be the only way if I were to keep my current CPU cooler as I think it actually tocuhes the other side of the case its so big :(

[williamsc47]

Hi all,

Well I received permission to open up my PC today (Thanks for that Lucy) so I re-seated my CPU cooler using artic silver 5 and the arctic cleaning kit...

Anyway, on to the new temperatures, which are drastically improved at the moment:

Peak temps running Orthos for 30mins using the Blend - Stress CPU and RAM test:

Core temp Beta results:

Core #0: 50c (previously 66c)
Core #1: 47c (previously 65c)

Temps 20 mins after Orthos running more or less idle...did have Emule and utorrent on download etc:

Core temp Beta results:

Core #0: 35c (previously 40c)
Core #1: 29c (previously 35c)

Also did some quick tests with the side off:

With the side off for 5 mins during 30mins of Orthos:

Core #0: 40c
Core #1: 35c

A few minutes after Orthos with the side off (Idle):

Core #0: 25c
Core #1: 21c

All this with a room temperature of: 20c

So, I think it's safe to say that has made a HUGE improvment, but I think it also says that there is still some work that needs to be done in relation to circulation within the case?

From those results, would you say that the CPU cooler is now correctly seated?...I think it must be especially looking at those Idle temps with the side off :)

[Aaron]

Yep, Id say you've done a fairly successful job there! :)

[mac124]

Great improvement there mate and now all you need to do is get a tad more air through the case and you will be laughing :D.

50c whilst a bit warm is not anything to be too worried about so you could if you wanted leave it at that imho, just depends if you are going to overclock.

[williamsc47]

Thanks guys :)

[quote:8b2cf56a8e=\"mac124\"]Great improvement there mate and now all you need to do is get a tad more air through the case and you will be laughing :D.

50c whilst a bit warm is not anything to be too worried about so you could if you wanted leave it at that imho, just depends if you are going to overclock.[/quote:8b2cf56a8e]

Yeah, I would like to overclock, so I am currently on the lookout for the top fan bracket...I found the silver one on coolermasters website, but not the black one...anybody know anywhere you can buy coolermaster supplies and parts such as this by any chance? If the worst comes to the worst I guess i'll get the silver one and spray paint it as somebody else has already suggested, but would like to get the proper one if possible?

Think I will see how that goes first and if not satisfactory, I will get a new side panel (from somewhere not sure where) and put a fan on the side as well.

Another thing I would like to do is improve the 80mm fans (shame its 80mm but hey) would like to get something with a decent amount of airflow, but also isnt too noisy...anybody got any suggestions on what fans would be a good balance?

[Anonymous]

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[williamsc47]

[quote:f19c3c7bdf=\"PrivatePyle@Work\"]hey mate

have been following this thread, but macca pretty much said anything of any value before I got to it.. :)

have a look at Sharkoon fans.. they have that dimpled golf-ball effect, supposed to be v quiet but still move a lot of air.[/quote:f19c3c7bdf]

Hey :)

Just had a look at some Sharkoon fans, but they don't appear to go high enough (in terms of performance) to what I think I have already.

I have been trying to find specs for my current fans that came with the case and the only thing I could find was this list:

A8025-21CB-3BN-81 / MGT8012LS Fan (Mine is A8025-21CB-3BN-P1 / MGT8012LS)
• Fan Dimension: 80*80*25 mm
• Fan Speed: 2100 rpm
• Fan Airflow: 26.79 CFM
• Fan Air Pressure: 1.91 mmH20
• Fan Life Expectance: 30,000 hrs
• Bearing Type: Sleeve Bearing
• Voltage Rating: 12V
• Input Current: 0.12A (0.14A max)
• Input Power: 1.44W
• Noise Level: 23.0 dBA
• Connector: 3-pin or 4-pin

Slightly different model maybe, but hope that about accurate...so I need something to improve on that if possible, without going any louder...preferably quieter :)

What I would like to do is replace all 3 fans already installed with more poerful and hopefully quiter fans and then add a 4th fan (maybe extra silent) such as a Xilence 19.6CFM 15dB/A fan which I already have?

dunno, what does everybody think...might tkae a look at some fans in a minute

[mac124]

Think you might be hard pushed to find something that shifts more air and be quieter, what might be worth doing is getting stupidly powerful fans and running them either via a fan controller or a zalmann fanmate which would lower the noise and output but might make them acceptable for what you want.

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/Accessories/Zalman+4X3Pin+Multi-fan+Connector?productId=6623

The above runs upto 4 fans, 2 at 12v and 2 at 7v.

[williamsc47]

[quote:0493120f66=\"mac124\"]Think you might be hard pushed to find something that shifts more air and be quieter, what might be worth doing is getting stupidly powerful fans and running them either via a fan controller or a zalmann fanmate which would lower the noise and output but might make them acceptable for what you want.

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/Accessories/Zalman+4X3Pin+Multi-fan+Connector?productId=6623

The above runs upto 4 fans, 2 at 12v and 2 at 7v.[/quote:0493120f66]

Yeah just been looking at the various fans and it does seem that I am gonna be a bit stuck by the looks of it :(

Think my best bet for now then (don't know if you agree?) is to get on with the top fan and see how that goes? Any suggestions on where I could find the black fan bracket..hmm not sure if I can ask that :( Will probably use one of the Xilence fans I already have for this

If this still isnt acceptable I will look into getting a spare side panel and installing an extra (120mm) fan on the side, but that would have to stick out of the case sadly as there would not be enough room inside the case with my current heatsink :(

[5t47k3r]

im running a e6600 with a fanless butterfly heatsink, awesome thing,
a scary thought, fanless but im running an idle of 34,
got one front 120mm 800 rpm fan, one rear 120mm 800 rpm fan and one side silent fan 80 mm speed lowered with a fanmate, and ive got silencing padding on all sides and top, and a semi fanless silent psu.
just wish aria would stock those items as they cost me a few quid...
thinking about it not sure of the relevence of my post..