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Okay, I'm going to be buying a graphics card for a new build and just wanted to hear people's thoughts. The 4890 seems like a great card and has good benchmarks, but obviously the 5850 is more future-proof, supporting Directx 11. Is it a good card? Is it worth the extra money? Any considerations I may not have thought of?
HD5830 is due very soon, will sit slightly higher than the 4890 for a similar price.
Looking at cpubenchmark (I don't know if this is a particularly reliable source or not? New to this) the 4890 is a high performer. Will the 5830 definitely outperform this? Do you know if it has HDMI? I'm assuming it is DX11 compatible.
The ATI HD5830 is said to give HD4890 levels of performance, for a lower price, power consumption, and with more future proof features. (DirectX 11, for example.)
The ATI HD5850 is a great card, and it maxes out EVERY game I have at 1920 x 1200.
Okay, that's helped a lot thanks. I think when it comes to it then I'll choose between the 5830 and 5850 (unless the 5870 drops in price by July but I don't think it'll be enough).
HD5830 is due very soon, will sit slightly higher than the 4890 for a similar price.
Latest rumour is the 15th.
interesting, I wonder what price its going to come in at
interesting, I wonder what price its going to come in at
Im interested in this too considering i just got a 5850 today :(
Im interested in this too considering i just got a 5850 today :(
Surely though if it's aimed at a similar level to the 4890 it won't touch your 5850? So even if it is going to be a fair bit cheaper than the 5850, your buy is still worth it?
Surely though if it's aimed at a similar level to the 4890 it won't touch your 5850? So even if it is going to be a fair bit cheaper than the 5850, your buy is still worth it?
I agree, if anything it will make the 5850's value more stable but it will be interesting to see what the benchmarks will be like. Might even go like the 8800gt vs 8800gts 512.
Yea, I mean, I will wait and see what prices do, but if there is a large gap, I may as well go for the 5830 for DX11 support and the very nice performance of a 4890. If the price gap between the 5830 and 5850 is not so great, I'll just shell out the extra money and go for the 5850.
Latest rumour is the 15th.
Updates on the rumour mill suggests perhaps Feb 20th as the earliest shipping date, very frustrating: http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17546/34/
Will be lucky to have it available any time in February at this rate :(
g0ldenth0rn
10-02-10, 00:26
My mate has one of these and its a great card. I've been waiting specifically for the XFX because of their life time warranty and aria are doing this on super special so your getting a double bonus. Just building my new rig around this so will post how it perfroms:thumb:
Apparently you are another person who has no idea about XFX in the UK - there is no lifetime warranty in Europe and XFX's policy statement is appalling. Wouldn't touch their products with a barge pole after reading their disdain for EU customers: http://www.xfxforce.com/en-gb/Help/Support/WarrantyInformation.aspx
Just read that, Im sure quite a lot of what they say on there is in breach of Eu law?
'This warranty offered by XFX to its Resellers is limited to the repair and/or replacement, at XFXs discretion, of defective or nonconforming Product, and XFX shall not be responsible for the failure of the Product to perform specified functions'
So if it doesnt display a picture, its not their fault?
Exactly, it shows utter contempt and disdain for their customers.
i know a guy from another forum (hey alex :)) and he got a 4890 from near the reebok for £180 just before the prices fell but thats another tale. anyway a couple of months later it died and he sent it back to the shop for rma, a few weeks later he got mail saying they had put £80 in his bank and his card was dead, thanks alot. he was stuck, they said that was all xfx would pay them for the dead card so thats all he gets and that he should look on fleabay for another.
last i know he was taking legal action so...
but yea, we get nailed by all the gfx card makers compared to in the states, its not just xfx whos like that.
but yea, we get nailed by all the gfx card makers compared to in the states, its not just xfx whos like that.Well we're never going to get the same as the USA customers get from the likes of EVGA, but at least a few like Asus & MSI have UK/EU operations so it may be easier to at least get an RMA if needed (assuming the retailer won't help) but I would always check the warranty policy and returns procedures carefully before buying.
Asus refused to do anything, theyre the worst Ive had to deral with, fan died on my 4670, they wanted 30 quid or so for me to send the card back to them, as its their standard charge.
I just went on arctic coolings website, sent an email asking if its the right fan, they said yes, and bought it for less then a fiver posted from taiwan. Clipped it onto my card, and its been fine ever since.
Asus refused to do anything, theyre the worst Ive had to deral with, fan died on my 4670, they wanted 30 quid or so for me to send the card back to them, as its their standard charge.Well that shoots down my belief they were good with RMAs :( I'm thinking a 4870 is recent enough to be covered for this type of failure under the general principle that good must last a reasonable time (under the sale of goods act & EU law)
Are there any good companies to deal with these days??? We should probably get a thread somewhere with a list of good & bad manufacturers RMA policies.
So long story short, if you want to not get treated badly by a gfx card manufacturer, don't buy a graphics card.
So long story short, if you want to not get treated badly buy a gfx card manufacturer, don't buy a graphics card.
Zing! :D
So long story short, if you want to not get treated badly by a gfx card manufacturer, don't buy a graphics card.
so true! :P
antipacker
15-02-10, 17:24
i have another hd 4890 on the way..
at the current price i could not resist
do you think 2 in xfire should rock ?
I've had my 4870 for over a year and still running games at highest settings at 1920x1200.
GPUs have certainly caught up and got far more powerful than they did in the past.
antipacker
15-02-10, 17:49
this is true.
i have been running 1 hd4890 for about 6 months and it handles everything i throw at it.
but i have never tried xfire before so i now have another in the post :)
this is true.
i have been running 1 hd4890 for about 6 months and it handles everything i throw at it.
but i have never tried xfire before so i now have another in the post :)
Try throwing a smoke grenade on COD:MW2
antipacker
15-02-10, 18:18
lol.
why
lol.
why
It overheats your graphics cards causing smoke to come out of your case....
Uber realistic :cool:
antipacker
15-02-10, 18:49
no no no
2 x 4890's will handle things very nicely.
I bet BF:BC2 will look real nice on it (if you play it), but the game does rely on CPU's a lot too.
2 x 4890's will handle things very nicely.
I bet BF:BC2 will look real nice on it (if you play it), but the game does rely on CPU's a lot too.
Do you reckon an i5/i7 with a 5830 would handle all current games at highest settings? Or would a 5850 be needed?
Do you reckon an i5/i7 with a 5830 would handle all current games at highest settings? Or would a 5850 be needed?
You'd really need a 5850 to do that....I have a 5870 on a Phenom II x3 720 and it cuts through all games (not tried it on crysis yet) like warm butter. You don't need such a powerful CPU for gaming :thumb:
I can play BF:BC2 with x8 AA everything else on MAX and it's glued to 60FPS :)
If by July I can pick up a 5850 for 180 then I think I'd go for that. Almost certain funds can't stretch to a 5870.
If by July I can pick up a 5850 for 180 then I think I'd go for that. Almost certain funds can't stretch to a 5870.
I picked up my 5870 for £117.50 and sold my old 4890 for £100 :thumb:
Net cost = £17.50 :P
1.) Wasn't your 4890 broken Will?
2.) Isn't your 5870 broken?
Loyal member special? If not, I don't want to know how you got it for such an obscenely low price, it'll just make me jealous :P
I'm still a long long way away from even 500 :(
The problem is that because this is a first time build and I'm on a student budget, it's a massive hit to take all at once, with nothing to sell. Once it's built, the next few years should be a lot easier.
1.) Wasn't your 4890 broken Will?
2.) Isn't your 5870 broken?
Both of them work fine...hence the 5870 has passed as working perfectly :thumb:
shup foolio
IIRC, you were told to RMA the 4890,
IIRC, you had problems with the 5870, I don't make a habbit of stalking people to see if there issues are resolved, I assume they are?.
IIRC, you were told to RMA the 4890,
IIRC, you had problems with the 5870, I don't make a habbit of stalking people to see if there issues are resolved, I assume they are?.
I've sold my 4890 and is working fine :)
My 5870 is just going to be a mystery I think, been tested for 3 days on two different systems, one on Windows 7 64-bit and the other on a clean install of windows 7 64-bit :)
So I have NO IDEA why it fully bailed on me :o
You avoided the fact about the 4890. Not my business, so I'll leave it.
5XXX series conflicts to drivers and rigs differently.
And, you never said if the 5870 works on your rig yet.
I take it Martin is somewhat of an Nvidia fan around these parts?
I take it Martin is somewhat of an Nvidia fan around these parts?
Lol?
4870x2 owner.
Launch 5870 owner.
5770 crossfire owner
And now a 5850 owner.
I've owned 3 Phenom II's.
Has an Athlon X2 3GHZ.
I'm as big an ATI/AMD fan as can be.
Ah right, is this just a wee in-joke dig at Will, is he particularly unlucky in the GPU department?
Nope. IIRC Will sold his 4890 to a friend, but Will was told to RMA the card, as he'd complained about it.
Feel free to correct me, just what I recall. I just thought it was bang out to sell a dodgy card, if it was indeed faulty.
The 5870 he got because he was in the loyality thing, during this time I had debt issues and sold my own 5870 lol.
For clarifications sake, I'm a newbie here, eliteist's like el wayeno like to keep it that way too with his bad guy " You're the prick " PM's.
Nope. IIRC Will sold his 4890 to a friend, but Will was told to RMA the card, as he'd complained about it.
Feel free to correct me, just what I recall. I just thought it was bang out to sell a dodgy card, if it was indeed faulty.
The 5870 he got because he was in the loyality thing, during this time I had debt issues and sold my own 5870 lol.
For clarifications sake, I'm a newbie here, eliteist's like el wayeno like to keep it that way too with his bad guy " You're the prick " PM's.
You avoided the fact about the 4890. Not my business, so I'll leave it.
5XXX series conflicts to drivers and rigs differently.
And, you never said if the 5870 works on your rig yet.
There is no need for all of this :lol: I sold my 4890 to my friend for £100...works absolutely fine; hence he's not said anything to me about it being broken.
The 5870 should be with me tomorrow...Coilers got it sent back to me today :thumb:
Fair enough, hope your problems are solved anyways
Fair enough, hope your problems are solved anyways
Yeh cheers man :thumb:
wonderlust
17-02-10, 08:26
Will,
something stirkes me from these posts...
you have had 2 graphics cards that fail in your machine but work fine elsewhere.
Are you still running unlocked cores and/or overclocked?
If so perhaps you should try the graphics card, upon return, on the PC at stock as it seems something in the way your pc is set up is causing issues with the graphics cards.
Will,
something stirkes me from these posts...
you have had 2 graphics cards that fail in your machine but work fine elsewhere.
Are you still running unlocked cores and/or overclocked?
If so perhaps you should try the graphics card, upon return, on the PC at stock as it seems something in the way your pc is set up is causing issues with the graphics cards.
I've tried all that trust me ;)
Card seems to work fine now...been trying to break it all day :p I think maybe it being run on a more power PSU for a bit could have rubbed off or jump started it some how? I dunno, but it's running totally fine after not even being able to handle Far Cry 2 at stock clocks :o
Will,
something stirkes me from these posts...
you have had 2 graphics cards that fail in your machine but work fine elsewhere.
Are you still running unlocked cores and/or overclocked?
If so perhaps you should try the graphics card, upon return, on the PC at stock as it seems something in the way your pc is set up is causing issues with the graphics cards.
I've tried all that trust me ;)
Card seems to work fine now...been trying to break it all day :p I think maybe it being run on a more power PSU for a bit could have rubbed off or jump started it some how? I dunno, but it's running totally fine after not even being able to handle Far Cry 2 at stock clocks :o
Running on my standard overclock 3.625GHz @ 1.45v btw atm and it's working fine :)
I see the 4890's are back in stock. :)
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