View Full Version : Consistant Crashing even on Stock speeds!
Makai_Neko
23-12-09, 20:52
Hey ive bought some nice cheap stuff for the HTPC from bay of e including a 3800x2 and a Sapphire 3850 AGP, however i seem to be getting quite a few stability issues, especially when i leave the computer on its own, which is strange :/
Basically it just locks up, all input devices stop, everything stops basically, Temps are fine, ran Prime95 for 20 min with an Arctic Freezer 64 max temp was 50oC when it was overclocked, and it crashes whenever on either stock or overclocked settings.
Ive even put my main rigs power supply into the PC (750W hipoint) but still the same issues occur, could this be a problem with the motherboard or the graphics card, not too sure its the graphics card since it can run games fine as it is, but crashes like it does on the desktop.
Since my combo-z is a dual cpu board, you have to flip the jumpers over from 754 to 939, so im pointing at either what could be:
~ Dual Core CPU in this board, after reading some forums however people have run them in the same board.
~ Graphics Card, Could be locking up my system or the Drivers (Hotfix 9.12)
~ Motherboard Drivers, Since i am running this board on Windows 7, drivers were an issue, but the system worked fine with a 3000+ and x1600pro in 754 :/
~ Hardrive Failure, i sometimes get hardrive lockups, meaning i can move the mouse and stuff, but the hardrive stops what its doing.
This is becoming quite a pain :closet
have you ran memtest from a linux live cd ?
DT.
If its occuring while your not at the PC but your not noticing it while at it...
try disabling Monitor hibination & screen saver functions and see if it keeps running.
Also did you clean out the old drivers with ATI cleaner/driver cleaner prior to installing new card & drivers.
Makai_Neko
24-12-09, 00:38
I dont think there is a problem with my memory, but i haven't tried memtest,
I didn't really clean up the previous drivers either, which could be the problem however im not too sure
Correct voltage set on your memory?
Makai_Neko
24-12-09, 11:22
I cant really change the memory voltage on this board, so im assuming its correct, is there any software that can show detail info about your current voltages ect?
Very wrong assumption, these days (for ddr2) most motherboards default to 1.8v iirc, any "performance" memory might very well need 1.8 to boot but anything upto 2.1 to be stable.
What memory are you running in the pc with the issues? Is it the HTPC as per sig? I would double check what it needs and see if you can manually set the correct votage and timings.
Makai_Neko
24-12-09, 12:02
Memory im using is: http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR/DDR400+%28PC3200%29/Corsair+2GB+PC3200+Value+Select+%282x1GB%29+?produ ctId=22287
Yes its the HTPC on my sig
Timings are currently set to 2.5, 3, 3, 11
there you go then, its rated at CAS3, 3-3-3-8 to be exact, you have 2.5 set try resetting to CAS3 :)
Makai_Neko
24-12-09, 14:29
I did that but i'm still getting the same issues, to be exact there are 3 types of crashes i get which are:
- Total Lockup, Everything basically stops functioning
- Hardrive stops responding, whenever its under load, it stops completely, thus windows crashes and everything else after it
- Gaming Crashes, Basically the driver stops responding and comes back (Thanks to Windows 7) i get this issue on my main pc as well
I also get occasional input lag when the cpu is under load and everything is slow including mouse movement, which is a mini crash in itself really.
Who would of thought upgrading a cpu and gpu would be so difficult to resolve :/
Few things I would check - in particular, the third one..
What are your temps like on the cpu/other components?
Have you tried completely removing any new drivers you put on there when you swapped the CPU out?
What PSU do you have, and what are the voltages like from it - could the new CPU have just tipped it over the edge and be drawing more current then the PSU can supply?
I did that but i'm still getting the same issues, to be exact there are 3 types of crashes i get which are:
- Total Lockup, Everything basically stops functioning
- Hardrive stops responding, whenever its under load, it stops completely, thus windows crashes and everything else after it
- Gaming Crashes, Basically the driver stops responding and comes back (Thanks to Windows 7) i get this issue on my main pc as well
I also get occasional input lag when the cpu is under load and everything is slow including mouse movement, which is a mini crash in itself really.
Who would of thought upgrading a cpu and gpu would be so difficult to resolve :/
As much as i hate to say it the 3rd issue sounds like ati drivers.
If the voltage and timings are now set correctly for memory then it could be more or less anything
What PSU do you have, and what are the voltages like from it - could the new CPU have just tipped it over the edge and be drawing more current then the PSU can supply?
Certainly would be a good idea to check, maybe swap the psu from the main rig for an hour or two to check it out?
never assume all components are fine, even when purchase new - please prove me wrong and run memtest from a livecd. At the very least, it takes one thing out of the equation.
It may be that the chip you have was pushed to death by previous **** owner, test the RAM, then the cpu etc etc - work your way through the components. It doesn't sound like a software issue to me.
DT.
Makai_Neko
24-12-09, 15:07
Ive already removed the previous ati drivers using driver sweep and reinstalled them, that helped a little bit, but not much, it is currently using my main rigs psu, and still no luck, my graphics card temps are fine, about 60 idle, 75 load.
Im going to run memtest later on and see if there are any errors, but after work (4-11 on christmas eve <.<)
Its really hard to point a finger at one component since the crashes are very unpredictable and happen differently :/
Once you've run memtest, if that doesnt bring up anything, I would think about starting again. Strip everything out of the computer, and start with the bare essentials. CPU, Mobo, RAM and HD. Nothing else. See if the problem still exists. I also agree with DT, it really doesnt sound like a software issue. However, it still may be worth doing a completely clean install of windows to rule out any software problems that may be happening? Maybe on a spare HD if you have on there?
Makai_Neko
24-12-09, 15:21
Yeah i have a spare hardrive lying around, its worth a shot i guess, but this mobo hasn't got an IGP so im gonna have to make do for the time being (:
wonderlust
24-12-09, 15:23
Are you running over 2 sticks of ram with MA timing on 1?
Makai_Neko
25-12-09, 12:59
Yeah i was, bank interleaving at about 4 beats as well, that could of been the problem, the memory settings, but we shall see lol
Makai_Neko
26-12-09, 01:43
I think the problem is the cpu, if i disable dual core support in the bios, the system runs fine on the 1 core without a crash.
Also if it does crash with both cores, core temp reports 1 if not 2 cores @ 0 degrees which could mean its a faulty processor or a setting on the mobo, i dunno.
That has narrowed things down greatly, but with a lack of options to fix the problem :/
Double post i know >.<
wonderlust
26-12-09, 09:11
Yeah i was, bank interleaving at about 4 beats as well, that could of been the problem, the memory settings, but we shall see lol
You must drop to MA2 if you are using more than 2 sticks of ram or it will cause stablity issues
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